The Right Wing has a new favorite Presidential Candidate

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: luthier

Easy to look up ,maybe you have been in liberal land too long..www.olivetree.com...

Maybe you've been blinded by the religious right...

Washington was not in anyway close to Ted Cruz on religion. He was not superstitious and Unitarians don't believe in the Trinity.

Perhaps you never read Locke who was a liberal.

Washington was a liberal.

You Christian right guys never understand the philosophy of the times....Washington was a Christian Diest at best. He was also a politician and new how to govern people. Most of which were completely uneducated. Take it in context of the times. Look at the forefathers views on church and state and the dangers of religious rule.

As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.
George Washington

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GEORGE WASHINGTON NEVER WROTE A PRAYER ABOUT JESUS

MARCH 31, 2014
William Brisby
George Washington did not write the prayer illegally recited by Robin Bartlett Frazier Thursday morning, March 27, at the opening of a board budget meeting in Carroll County, Maryland. A lawsuit filed by the American Humanist Society and four other individuals resulted in a ruling by a federal judge on Tuesday, March 25, that placed a preliminary injunction on the Board of Commissioners. The commissioners were ordered to stop opening meetings with prayers that reference a specific deity associated with any specific belief. In this case Jesus Christ and Christian beliefs were being represented in prayer even though our country, including Carroll County, has citizens representing every religion and non-religion under the sun. The official who issued the ruling is Judge William D. Quarles Jr. of the U.S. District Court of Maryland.


According to American Humanist Robin Frazier chose to defy the court ruling by reading a prayer which she and other Christians mistakenly believe was written by George Washington. The prayer begins, “O Lord our God, most mighty and merciful father, I thine unworthy creature and servant, do once more approach thy presence.” The prayer goes on to say that the supplicant is unworthy due to “natural corruptions” and “many sins and transgressions.” The prayer twice mentions Jesus Christ by name and once as the son of God.

Frazier repeated the erroneous belief that the prayer was written by George Washington as she introduced it saying, “This might be a good opportunity to demonstrate how our founding fathers, and leaders all throughout our history, have upheld the idea that we are a nation based on biblical principles. We’re one nation under God and I believe that’s where our unalienable rights come from.”

Commissioner Frazier was obviously aware that she may be charged with contempt of court. She proclaimed her willingness to go to jail in a tearful speech. However, she does not seem to be aware of the fact that the prayer was not written by George Washington, which makes her statement about our founding fathers incorrect and irrelevant.


The prayer comes from a book titled “The Daily Sacrifice” even though it is commonly referred to by Christians as “Washington’s Prayer Journal.” It is claimed that the book is a product of Washington’s youth, up to age twenty.

The original hand written document numbers twenty four pages in a pocket memo book. Nothing on the document indicates it is written by George Washington. A descendant of George Washington, Lawrence Washington, found the prayer in an old trunk in 1890. He gave specialists and expert historians a chance to examine the document.

According to The Humanist, historian Franklin Steiner had this to say about the document, “Worthington C. Ford, who had handled more of Washington’s manuscripts than any other man except Washington himself, declared that the penmanship was not that of Washington.” Steiner also noted that while George Washington was a notoriously bad speller, the hand written prayer had zero spelling mistakes.

The Smithsonian Institute had a chance to examine the writing sample as well. They analyzed the handwriting as well as other elements and rejected the claim that it was written by George Washington. Dr. W.A. Croffutt, a Washington D.C. newspaper correspondent, also found evidence that debunks the claim that George Washington wrote the prayer. Croffutt was able to trace the prayer back to the reign of English King James I, who died 107 years before George Washington was born.

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The right-wing can favor anyone they want, (Ted Cruz / Seriously ? ), but unless they find some one who actually win a national election, they may just as well start planning for 2020.

a reply to: CB328

a reply to: CB328

Any time a politician wishes to "cloak" himself in patriotism and religion;
It may be a good idea to look real good under the cloak and see what may be getting covered up.

I am not saying that Cruz is a bad person, but if I only wanted someone smart for president I would vote for a computer, I am just advising that we should all move with caution.

History has some really bad examples when "nationalism and religion" are mixed.

a reply to: CB328

Wondering where the birthers are? Ted Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada...and he has the Birth Certificate to prove it.

a reply to: luthier

Luther, Washington and Locke were Classical Liberals not the progressive socialists of today. My guy the Rosicrucian said it all....

a reply to: ladyinwaitingys

Ted Kruz doesn't suffer from insanity.


He enjoys it
we suffer from it.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: luthier

Luther, Washington and Locke were Classical Liberals not the progressive socialists of today. My guy the Rosicrucian said it all....

Really? I didn't post that a page or two ago did I. Hmmmm. It was sarcasm.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Washington and Locke were Classical Liberals not the progressive socialists of today.

I'm not sure you understand it all.

No at all sure.

Sweetie, a democratic socialist country makes sure that EVERYONE has enough. That they needn't worry about medical expenses causing their homelessness. They can still own their own businesses, they can still own a house and a car and choose a trajectory for their futures. They just don't have to fret and stew and steam about whether or not they will be cast into despair.

They don't have to worry about being homeless, or naked. or starving to death.

Democratic Socialism is NOT communism.

I understand that you're terrified....but - do you not realize that people in Democratic Socialist countries are doing great?????

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Visit Norway.

The bliss of eternity.

The world’s richest country is Norway. The population of Norway is 4.5 million people. Despite the wealth of the country due to oil commodities, poverty still exists. In the capital of Oslo, 8.3 percent of the population suffers from poverty. The populations that are affected the most by poverty are immigrants, families with children and single parents, and those who are on social security.

A Look at Poverty in Norway

Proposed law in Norway would make begging in the streets illegal

If approved, it would also make it illegal to help homeless who beg

Begging would be punishable with a prison sentence of up to one year

Norway planning to JAIL people who offer food, money or shelter to homeless people with new laws that also make begging illegal

Plus that, Norway is deep in national debt.

Real ultra-successful Nordic Model.

I prefer a NoDork Model with no fumble-flop bust-outs.

a reply to: xuenchen

I HAVE visited Norway, pal.

It was awesome.

I had friends there that I had made on disparate websites back in 1996.....I went there, and stayed with them...I took the train from Oslo (where we three gals, who had never met face to face, had a fantastic night hiking and then sleeping out on the beach in a Viking Burial ground) to Bergen, where I rode a half-blood horse down the streets of the city, and rode the Funicular...and then took a Ferry through the fjords to Stavanger, and

whatever. I know you don't really care.

It was a fabulous, unforgettable trip where I was hosted by people whom I'd only met online.......

They were WONDERFUL!

So,

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Then explain their "successful" Democrat Socialist government failures.

New York City has a few great spots too. So does Detroit and yes, even Kansas City.

All those EU "havens" are busted governments like everywhere else too.

a reply to: xuenchen

So does Detroit and yes, even Kansas City.

Kansas City Missouri? Or Kansas City Kansas??

If you're referring to KCMO, that's an entirely different place from KCK.

Brownback SUCKS - and he is so far from a "Socialist" governor it's appalling.

Anyway, yeah -

I'm done.
You all just carry on - wrong as you are, no one can stop you.

P.S.: you aren't funny. You can post smiley laughy faces until the cows come home, but that doesn't make you funny or right.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Guess you can't prove the Democrat Socialist Model is any better than the failures right here in the USA.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Sounds like your version of Utopia. Why don't YOU move THERE and stop trying to make this place into that one?

Just curious. It's not like there are a plethora of Americas and Americas clones I can move to if you succeed you understand.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

KCMO would be where you are seeking to live. Sly James is right up your alley.

a reply to: ketsuko

Uh, NO, and NO. and No. KCMO is a disaster.
Please refrain from addressing me any further.
I've run out of patience with you.






Oh, I'm feeling merciful....perhaps, you just don't get it because of......................

a reply to: luthier

Lol why am I not surprised the American Humanist Society challenged the religious petty of the Father of out great country!!!!

a reply to: BuzzyWigs



It's not your job to tell me who I can and can't reply to and where. If you don't want to respond, then don't. Makes no different to me either way.

Honestly, for the most part I leave you be, but if I were to leave a thread out of deference to your tender sensibilities every time I'm engaged in a discussion or otherwise interested and you simply show up, I would get very little done.

a reply to: ketsuko

It's not your job to tell me who I can and can't reply to and where

How does "please" equal telling you and having a job?

Honestly, for the most part I leave you be.

How very generous.
Please continue to do so. Please.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I appreciate that you feel if you visited a place and it's wonderful from a tourist point of view but consider that I've been to Tunisia three times and thought it was a truly marvelous place and I long to go back but it's also the place where that guy set himself on fire because there were not enough jobs and this action was the catalyst that spurred the entire Arab spring. It's probably the most democratic and forward moving places in Islam but it has been going thru tons of inner turmoil and street demonstrations. You might not be too comfortable there these days.