The Right Wing has a new favorite Presidential Candidate

a reply to: luthier

I'm not a DUDE!
No you just posted only that part which made your point.

Later in his adult life Jefferson did not consider himself an Episcopalian, or a member of any other specific denomination. Later in life Jefferson held many clearly Christian, Deist, and Unitarian beliefs, but was not a member of any congregation or denomination. Today, many Unitarians sincerely believe that Jefferson should be "counted as" a Unitarian, just as many Christians point to Jefferson as a Christian, and many of the small number of Americans who identify themselves as Deists believe Jefferson should be classified a Deist.

www.adherents.com...

Clearly he believed in religious freedom, including allowing more than one idea from more than one religious belief systemin his own life. I happen to be like that myself, as I am not in a particular denomination and I highly favor the Hindu religion and philosophical belief system. As far as the Christian realm, I prefer Catholic.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Magellan is supposed to have said:

“The Church says that the Earth is flat, but I know that it is round. For I have seen the shadow of the earth on the moon and I have more faith in the Shadow than in the Church.”
(The quote, of course, is disputed....and perhaps was invented by someone else much later. But it still resonates as absolute SENSE.)

Yeah love that one. The most messed up thing about this argument is I often defend Christians from aggressive atheists so I am not bitter towards religion but I am bitter to people's ignorance of philosophy and history that got us here when they pretend to know more by googling pieces of information.

The enlightenment era produced deists, pantheists, and atheists who were in the majority of founders. They wrote and read that philosophy and wanted to protect that version of God and protect the Atheists as well. People wrongly assume it was all about protecting the protestants from the church. Of course if you knew the timeline and philosophy it doesn't add up.

Guess you need a "liberal education" to read books written by the actual authors of the philosophies. Maybe they don't even teach it anymore. Like hey what was the french revolution over? Or the Glorious revoltion?

a reply to: luthier

Yes, Freemasons have been at war with orthodox Christianity. After all, this is a conspiracy website....I've read my share of conspiracies, including Jim Marrs' "Rule By Secrecy" where he talks about the Masons having been at war with the Jesuits in the Roman Catholic Church. It makes perfect sense historically.
He also talks about the Illuminati and how they infiltrated the Masonic lodges. Today the Masons refuse to acknowledge it, and they refuse to acknowledge that George Washington knew of the Illuminati and did not particularly like Adam Weishaupt.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: luthier

I'm not a DUDE!
No you just posted only that part which made your point.

Later in his adult life Jefferson did not consider himself an Episcopalian, or a member of any other specific denomination. Later in life Jefferson held many clearly Christian, Deist, and Unitarian beliefs, but was not a member of any congregation or denomination. Today, many Unitarians sincerely believe that Jefferson should be "counted as" a Unitarian, just as many Christians point to Jefferson as a Christian, and many of the small number of Americans who identify themselves as Deists believe Jefferson should be classified a Deist.

www.adherents.com...

Clearly he believed in religious freedom, including allowing more than one idea from more than one religious belief systemin his own life. I happen to be like that myself, as I am not in a particular denomination and I highly favor the Hindu religion and philosophical belief system. As far as the Christian realm, I prefer Catholic.

You are confused with some one else. I posted actual quotes from Jefferson. You should read them. They show he didn't believe Christ was God. You can't be a Christian if you don't believe in the bible or that Christ was a man now can you?

You didn't prove a thing. I grew up in Boston plenty of actual writing from the actual people themselves there. Maybe you think its just liberal propaganda.

Again Diest believe in God . just not that Jesus was God or that he cares what goes on here.

I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789


And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

Do you comprehend? His words....not Christian. Jesus not god

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Thanks you too

a reply to: luthier

No I am not confused with someone else, this is what you posted

You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.

Jesus not god

READ MY WORDS

And what I posted from the website I looked at showed that he indeed did not limit himself to one denomination or idea. So what's the problem here? This is not about him not believing in God this is splitting hairs about the person of Jesus. Since I believe that the person Jesus of Nazareth was his final incarnation after many incarnations including that of King David and also a Priest in the Order of Melchizedek on Atlantis....I get what he is saying....it is the Roman Catholic Church who put him into the character presented to Christians today. We are all co creators with God with the Divine Spark within and the message of Jesus was never never never that he alone was God. Anyone with half a brain who gets that God created everything means we are all of God, part of God but none is All of God. A good metaphor is the one of the ocean where the droplet is part of the ocean but has all the properties of the whole ocean. Jesus knew and understood that but anyone saying this is declared a heretic and indeed the Sadducees and Pharisees of his day also declared him a heretic did they not?
But you see the treachery is that seculars deny the God within all of us, and the Elites have very cleverly hidden that from the populace. They just declare that Jesus is God and the rest of us just sinners. Or that there is no God at all...and what we end up with is demigods who rule with authoritarian rule and want us to worship them and their cult of materialism and that includes scientific materialism as well....

Do you imagine that the "supreme being" mentioned is not GOD? What are you thinking? Nothing I think but dribble from Progressives and atheists. Even an atheist though can recognize A Supreme Being must be something pretty darn important. It's interesting because the Hindu religion talks about the Supreme Personality of the Godhead. Maybe Tommy Jefferson knew something....

here I'll help you out with it...

Supreme Being, higher being, and higher power are terms for philosophical conceptions of God.[1] The terms are used by theologists and philosophers of many religious faiths, including Judaism, Christianity,[2] Islam,[3] Hinduism,[4] and deism.[5]

Christian theology, the term Supreme Being is used to refer to God.[6] Although God is mostly reserved for God the Father in the New Testament, Supreme Being can be used to refer to Jesus Christ or the Christian Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.[7]

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: luthier

But you know what's funny is you act as if Thomas Jefferson was thee only Founding Father. There were a few more to consider. Seculars tend to seize on his work because they can more easily skew it to their advantage.

But here's the guy I am interested in as the ultimate Founding Father

In his Secret Destiny of America, Manly Hall, Bacon's most understanding modern scholar, refers to the appearance in America, prior to the signing of the Declaration of Independence in 1776, of a mysterious Rosicrucian philosopher, a strict vegetarian who ate only foods that grew above the ground, who was a friend and teacher of Franklin and Washington and who seemed to have played an important role in the founding of the new republic. Why most historians failed to mention him is a puzzle, for that he existed is a certainty.
He was known as the "Professor." Together with Franklin and Washington, he was a member of the committee selected by the Continental Congress in 1775 to create a design for the American Flag. The design he made was accepted by the committee and given to Betsy Ross to execute into the first model.

A year later, on July 4, 1776, this mysterious stranger, whose name nobody knew, suddenly appeared in Independence Hall and delivered a stirring address to the fearful men there gathered, who were wondering whether they should risk their lives as traitors by affixing their names to the memorable document which Thomas Jefferson wrote and of whose ideals Francis Bacon, founder of Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism, was the true originator

Just what connection did the mysterious stranger who designed the American flag and encouraged the signing of the Declaration of Independence have to Francis Bacon or Count Saint-Germain? Writing on this subject, Manly Hall says:"Many times the question has been asked, Was Francis Bacon's vision of the "New Atlantis" a prophetic dream of the great civilization which was so soon to rise upon the soil of the New World? It cannot be doubted that the secret societies of. Europe conspired to establish upon the American continent 'a new nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.' Two incidents in the early history of the United States evidence the influence of that secret body, which has so long guided the destinies of peoples and religions. By them nations are created as vehicles for the promulgation of ideals, and while nations are true to these ideals they survive; when they vary from them, they vanish like the Atlantis of old which had ceased to 'know the gods.'"

Anderson's Constitutions of 'Freemasonry.
It was during the, evening of July 4, 1776, that the second of these mysterious episodes occurred. In the old State House in Philadelphia, a group of men were gathered for the momentous task of severing the tie between the old country and the new. It was a grave moment, and not a few of those present feared that their lives would be the forfeit for their audacity. In the midst of the debate a fierce voice rang out. The debaters stopped and turned to look upon the stranger. Who was this man who had suddenly appeared in their midst and had transfixed them with his oratory? They had never seen him before, none knew when he had entered; but his tall form and pale face filled them with awe. His voice ringing with a holy zeal, the stranger stirred them to their very souls. His closing words rang. through the building, 'God has given America to be free!' As the stranger sank into a chair exhausted, a wild enthusiasm burst forth. Name after name was placed upon the parchment: the Declaration of Independence was signed. But where was the man who had precipitated the accomplishment of this immortal task—who had lifted for a moment the veil from the eyes of the assemblage and revealed to them a part at least of the great purpose for which the, new nation was conceived? He had disappeared, nor was he ever seen or his identity established. This episode parallels others of a similar kind recorded by ancient historians attendant upon the founding of every new nation. Are they coincidence, or do they indicate that the divine wisdom of the ancient mysteries still is present in the world, serving mankind as it did of old?"

www.reversespins.com...

It is likely that Ted Cruz does not know of this mysterious person who was the founder of the Rosicrucians, but I forgive him that as long as he keeps filibustering the devils of socialism in Congress!

a reply to: ketsuko

Hey, anytime I see a pack of formerly opposed to anything that even whiffs of Christianity liberals fawning over the Pope, I have to call it as I see it.

Calling it the way you see it? :-)

What is it you think you see?

like I said - you only stated the obvious. Your enemy - the people you so obviously hate - have no great objection to anything that doesn't work against their plans

No different from anyone - including yourself

It's just that you think their plans are evil

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

It is because the Pope is so obviously socialist, NWO representative, he is no man of God, but a Progressive in sheeps clothing.

a reply to: luthier

and atheists who were in the majority of founders. T

nope nope and nope....and you declare the rest of us are ignorant and I just showed you the religious affiliations of the Signers of the Declaration and others considered as Founders in various positions.

Where you come up with the atheist nonsense....

Here's another fun tidbit...

Speech of the Unkown

"Gibbet? They may stretch our necks on all the gibbets in the land–they may turn every rock into a scaffold–every tree into a gallows, every home into a grave, and yet the words on that Parchment can never die!
"They may pour our blood on a thousand scaffolds, and yet from every drop that dyes the axe, or drips on the sawdust of the block, a new martyr to Freedom will spring into birth!



"The British King may blot out the Stars of God from His sky, but he cannot blot out His words written on the Parchment there! The works of God may perish–His Word, never!



"These words will go forth to the world when our bones are dust. To the slave in the mines they will speak–hope–to the mechanic in his workshop–freedom–to the coward-kings these words will speak, but not in tones of flattery. No, no! They will speak like the flaming syllables on Belshazzar's wall–




THE DAYS OF YOUR PRIDE AND GLORY ARE NUMBERED!



THE DAYS OF JUDGMENT AND REVOLUTION DRAW NEAR!



"Yes, that Parchment will speak to the Kings in a language sad and terrible as the trump of the Archangel. You have trampled on mankind long enough. At last the voice of human woe has pierced the ear of God, and called His Judgment down! You have waded on to thrones over seas of blood–you have trampled on to power over the necks of millions–you have turned the poor man's sweat and blood into robes for your delicate forms, into crowns for your anointed brows. Now Kings–now purpled Hangmen of the world–for you come the days of axes and gibbets and scaffolds–for you the wrath of man–for you the lightnings of God!–


"Look! How the light of your palaces on fire flashes up into the midnight sky!


"Now Purpled Hangmen of the world–turn and beg for mercy!


"Where will you find it?


"Not from God, for you have blasphemed His laws!


"Not from the People, for you stand baptized in their blood!


"Here you turn, and lo! a gibbet!


"There–and a scaffold looks you in the face.


"All around you–death–and nowhere pity!


"Now executioners of the human race, kneel down, yes, kneel down upon the sawdust of the scaffold–lay your perfumed heads upon the block–bless the axe as it falls–the axe that you sharpened for the poor man's neck!


"Such is the message of that Declaration to Man, to the Kings of the world! And shall we falter now? And shall we start back appalled when our feet press the very threshold of Freedom? Do I see quailing faces around me, when our wives have been butchered–when the hearthstones of our land are red with the blood of little children?


"What are these shrinking hearts and faltering voices here, when the very Dead of our battlefields arise, and call upon us to sign that Parchment, or be accursed forever?


"Sign! if the next moment the gibbet's rope is round your neck! Sign! if the next moment this hall rings with the echo of the falling axe! Sign! By all your hopes in life or death, as husbands–as fathers–as men–sign your names to the Parchment or be accursed forever!


"Sign–and not only for yourselves, but for all ages. For that Parchment will be the Text-book of Freedom–the Bible of the Rights of Man forever!


"Sign–for that declaration will go forth to American hearts forever, and speak to those hearts like the voice of God! And its work will not be done, until throughout this wide Continent not a single inch of ground owns the sway of a British King!


"Nay, do not start and whisper with surprise! It is a truth, your own hearts witness it, God proclaims it.–This Continent is the property of a free people, and their property alone. [17-second applause] God, I say, proclaims it!


"Look at this strange history of a band of exiles and outcasts, suddenly transformed into a people–look at this wonderful Exodus of the oppressed of the Old World into the New, where they came, weak in arms but mighty in Godlike faith–nay, look at this history of your Bunker Hill–your Lexington–where a band of plain farmers mocked and trampled down the panoply of British arms, and then tell me, if you can, that God has not given America to the free?


[12-second applause]


"It is not given to our poor human intellect to climb the skies, to pierce the councils of the Almighty One. But methinks I stand among the awful clouds which veil the brightness of Jehovah's throne. Methinks I see the Recording Angel–pale as an angel is pale, weeping as an angel can weep–come trembling up to that Throne, and speak his dread message–


"`Father! the old world is baptized in blood! Father, it is drenched with the blood of millions, butchered in war, in persecution, in slow and grinding oppression! Father–look, with one glance of Thine Eternal eye, look over Europe, Asia, Africa, and behold evermore, that terrible sight, man trodden down beneath the oppressor's feet–nations lost in blood–Murder and Superstition walking hand in hand over the graves of their victims, and not a single voice to whisper, "Hope to Man!"'


"He stands there, the Angel, his hands trembling with the black record of human guilt. But hark! The voice of Jehovah speaks out from the awful cloud–`Let there be light again. Let there be a New World. Tell my people–the poor–the trodden down millions, to go out from the Old World. Tell them to go out from wrong, oppression and blood–tell them to go out from this Old World–to build my altar in the New!'


[11-second applause]


"As God lives, my friends, I believe that to be his voice! Yes, were my soul trembling on the wing for Eternity, were this hand freezing in death, were this voice choking with the last struggle, I would still, with the last impulse of that soul, with the last wave of that hand, with the last gasp of that voice, implore you to remember this truth–God has given America to the free!

www.reversespins.com...

I'm done here

a reply to: luthier

Send it. I can listen to lefties claim what they claim but they RARELY go to REAL history or website like Snopes.
I KNOW George Washinton was religious.
WHAT ever happens the P.C. GARBAGE will be GONE.

originally posted by: luthier

The president doesn't enforce laws that's another branch called the judicial branch.

"[The President] shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" - Constitution, Article II, Section III

The Judiciary determines if the laws pass muster, they do not enforce the laws. Separation of Powers, look into it.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: luthier

The president doesn't enforce laws that's another branch called the judicial branch.

"[The President] shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" - Constitution, Article II, Section III

The Judiciary determines if the laws pass muster, they do not enforce the laws. Separation of Powers, look into it.

Thats not what he said. He said enforced...as in law enforcement..

The president can use the ag to prosecute not enforce. A judge still has to rule on enforcement.

I could have misunderstood the post. Yes the police are part of the executive branch. So I miss spoke. But the president doesn't literally enforce the law like a fascist dictator.

But yeah I made an incorrect statement if you mean the executive branch.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: luthier

No I am not confused with someone else, this is what you posted

You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.

Jesus not god

READ MY WORDS

And what I posted from the website I looked at showed that he indeed did not limit himself to one denomination or idea. So what's the problem here? This is not about him not believing in God this is splitting hairs about the person of Jesus. Since I believe that the person Jesus of Nazareth was his final incarnation after many incarnations including that of King David and also a Priest in the Order of Melchizedek on Atlantis....I get what he is saying....it is the Roman Catholic Church who put him into the character presented to Christians today. We are all co creators with God with the Divine Spark within and the message of Jesus was never never never that he alone was God. Anyone with half a brain who gets that God created everything means we are all of God, part of God but none is All of God. A good metaphor is the one of the ocean where the droplet is part of the ocean but has all the properties of the whole ocean. Jesus knew and understood that but anyone saying this is declared a heretic and indeed the Sadducees and Pharisees of his day also declared him a heretic did they not?
But you see the treachery is that seculars deny the God within all of us, and the Elites have very cleverly hidden that from the populace. They just declare that Jesus is God and the rest of us just sinners. Or that there is no God at all...and what we end up with is demigods who rule with authoritarian rule and want us to worship them and their cult of materialism and that includes scientific materialism as well....

Do you imagine that the "supreme being" mentioned is not GOD? What are you thinking? Nothing I think but dribble from Progressives and atheists. Even an atheist though can recognize A Supreme Being must be something pretty darn important. It's interesting because the Hindu religion talks about the Supreme Personality of the Godhead. Maybe Tommy Jefferson knew something....

here I'll help you out with it...

Supreme Being, higher being, and higher power are terms for philosophical conceptions of God.[1] The terms are used by theologists and philosophers of many religious faiths, including Judaism, Christianity,[2] Islam,[3] Hinduism,[4] and deism.[5]

Christian theology, the term Supreme Being is used to refer to God.[6] Although God is mostly reserved for God the Father in the New Testament, Supreme Being can be used to refer to Jesus Christ or the Christian Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.[7]

en.wikipedia.org...

Your not getting it. To be Christian you have to accept Jesus as your lord and saviour. Jefferson did not. Nor did Paine, Washington, Adams or Madison. These men like I keep saying believed in God just not the bible. Those men controlled their own destiny and didn't rely on Jesus to save them. Washington did not call a priest or minister on his death bed. He wasn't superstitious the way evangelicals are.

You also clipped off my statement. I never said they were Atheists that's not what I meant. They did protect them because they were procecuted. In places in Europe by the remaining church powers.

Tell me what was the Glorious revolution?

When did Martin Luther live? When was England no longer controlled by the Catholic church?

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: luthier

Send it. I can listen to lefties claim what they claim but they RARELY go to REAL history or website like Snopes.
I KNOW George Washinton was religious.
WHAT ever happens the P.C. GARBAGE will be GONE.

You know Washington was religious? Show me. People are confused by what God he is talking about. The God is that of Nature and creation not one sending magical messages from Heaven with Angels and Virgin births.

He could be described as a Christian Deist but doesn't resemble anything close to the radical evangelicals.

Also never used snopes and not a liberal. Well can't say that. I am the same liberal Washington was.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: luthier

But you know what's funny is you act as if Thomas Jefferson was thee only Founding Father. There were a few more to consider. Seculars tend to seize on his work because they can more easily skew it to their advantage.

But here's the guy I am interested in as the ultimate Founding Father

In his Secret Destiny of America, Manly Hall, Bacon's most understanding modern scholar, refers to the appearance in America, prior to the signing of the Declaration of Independence in 1776, of a mysterious Rosicrucian philosopher, a strict vegetarian who ate only foods that grew above the ground, who was a friend and teacher of Franklin and Washington and who seemed to have played an important role in the founding of the new republic. Why most historians failed to mention him is a puzzle, for that he existed is a certainty.
He was known as the "Professor." Together with Franklin and Washington, he was a member of the committee selected by the Continental Congress in 1775 to create a design for the American Flag. The design he made was accepted by the committee and given to Betsy Ross to execute into the first model.

A year later, on July 4, 1776, this mysterious stranger, whose name nobody knew, suddenly appeared in Independence Hall and delivered a stirring address to the fearful men there gathered, who were wondering whether they should risk their lives as traitors by affixing their names to the memorable document which Thomas Jefferson wrote and of whose ideals Francis Bacon, founder of Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism, was the true originator

Just what connection did the mysterious stranger who designed the American flag and encouraged the signing of the Declaration of Independence have to Francis Bacon or Count Saint-Germain? Writing on this subject, Manly Hall says:"Many times the question has been asked, Was Francis Bacon's vision of the "New Atlantis" a prophetic dream of the great civilization which was so soon to rise upon the soil of the New World? It cannot be doubted that the secret societies of. Europe conspired to establish upon the American continent 'a new nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.' Two incidents in the early history of the United States evidence the influence of that secret body, which has so long guided the destinies of peoples and religions. By them nations are created as vehicles for the promulgation of ideals, and while nations are true to these ideals they survive; when they vary from them, they vanish like the Atlantis of old which had ceased to 'know the gods.'"

Anderson's Constitutions of 'Freemasonry.
It was during the, evening of July 4, 1776, that the second of these mysterious episodes occurred. In the old State House in Philadelphia, a group of men were gathered for the momentous task of severing the tie between the old country and the new. It was a grave moment, and not a few of those present feared that their lives would be the forfeit for their audacity. In the midst of the debate a fierce voice rang out. The debaters stopped and turned to look upon the stranger. Who was this man who had suddenly appeared in their midst and had transfixed them with his oratory? They had never seen him before, none knew when he had entered; but his tall form and pale face filled them with awe. His voice ringing with a holy zeal, the stranger stirred them to their very souls. His closing words rang. through the building, 'God has given America to be free!' As the stranger sank into a chair exhausted, a wild enthusiasm burst forth. Name after name was placed upon the parchment: the Declaration of Independence was signed. But where was the man who had precipitated the accomplishment of this immortal task—who had lifted for a moment the veil from the eyes of the assemblage and revealed to them a part at least of the great purpose for which the, new nation was conceived? He had disappeared, nor was he ever seen or his identity established. This episode parallels others of a similar kind recorded by ancient historians attendant upon the founding of every new nation. Are they coincidence, or do they indicate that the divine wisdom of the ancient mysteries still is present in the world, serving mankind as it did of old?"

www.reversespins.com...

It is likely that Ted Cruz does not know of this mysterious person who was the founder of the Rosicrucians, but I forgive him that as long as he keeps filibustering the devils of socialism in Congress!

I am not a progressive. I don't believe in the ideology for government. Nor do I believe in theocratic progressives who also want to control society with their views. I want as little governing as possible.

But you know what it's not about me its about we the people and if the majority wants progressives so be it. Thats how the government is supposed to work and why States rights were important so you can live with your peers.

I just don't take it to the radical level some people do which mirrors the confederacy.

The federal government is out of control. We need a libertarian to go in and clean house at the least to start over. We don't need a theocratic dictatator who is just the opposite of the progressive. I like Rand Paul but he has no chance.

You also need to understand the difference between social political religious affiliation to what the men wrote in the Treatises and letters to each other about beliefs as well as enlightenment era philosophy.

Yeah they went to church that's like being on TV now a days. Read what they write about religion and how they viewed people like today's religious radicals.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: UnBreakable

Are you making fun of someone of Cuban ethnicity? Looks like it to me.

No, it's a joke that he looks like a character from a 60's sitcom. It has nothing to do with his ethnicity. Lighten up, Jackwagon.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Spiramirabilis

It is because the Pope is so obviously socialist, NWO representative, he is no man of God, but a Progressive in sheeps clothing.

And you said my comparison of Cruz to Grandpa Munster was based on his Cuban ethnicity? And now your are so "sure" that the Pope is a socialist, NWO rep, no man of God, progressive in sheeps clothing? Glad someone made you God, able to judge everyone while you have no clue. You should get a good seat next to the big man when you die, being how good a judge of humans you are.

And your name is apropo since you talking out of your third eye, and I'm not talking about your mind, either.

Ted cruz says: “Kim Davis should not be in jail. We are a country founded on Judeo-Christian values, founded by those fleeing religious oppression and seeking a land where we could worship God and live according to our faith, without being imprisoned for doing so.

The founders say in their own words in the treaty of Tripoli not some liberal media outlet.

“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams

“Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.”
~Founding Father John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” (1787-88)

Seems to be at odds. There are also examples in the declaration where Jesus was tried to be included and it was left out by purpose.

This was my original comment. I got way off track by my own fault.

a reply to: luthier

Easy to look up ,maybe you have been in liberal land too long..www.olivetree.com...