Addressing Christians (not conspiracy)

originally posted by: GeisterFahrer

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Just as Jesus and His Father were not the same entity...

The trinity isn't biblical... its as simple as that

Love the copy and paste from a Christian website from the other poster above though... typical

So, you apparently are on "attack all the Christians" mode.

Sorry, I won't engage with you any further. I've had a lifetime of these discussions and am able to tell when someone is being sincere.

Not at all... I simply dislike error in theology...

Mostly because I know the early church was corrupt...

And If you don't think im being sincere... check my threads

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: GeisterFahrer

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Just as Jesus and His Father were not the same entity...

The trinity isn't biblical... its as simple as that

Love the copy and paste from a Christian website from the other poster above though... typical

So, you apparently are on "attack all the Christians" mode.

Sorry, I won't engage with you any further. I've had a lifetime of these discussions and am able to tell when someone is being sincere.

Not at all... I simply dislike error in theology...

Mostly because I know the early church was corrupt...

And If you don't think im being sincere... check my threads

Actually, you are not fooling me.

a reply to: GeisterFahrer

So, you apparently are on "attack all the Christians" mode.

There are many who have convinced themselves they know
what their talk'n about. But when they make claims like
" Most people KNOW " something. They define ignorance.

a reply to: randyvs

Perhaps I should have said most people that aren't Christian?

And since when is stating a fact attacking or hating on anyone?

Wth...

originally posted by: Akragon
I think he's saying "Jesus was not God"

Most people know this, and you'll never convince Christians of it

Regardless of what the "good book" says

yep - its "attack mode'



Here is a little "clue"

Anyways, I wish you well. I will peacefully refrain.

The use of "our" image can be used rather than "my image" to show that God is in a superior position. A good example is done with presidents speaking with plurals.
www.brainyquote.com...
biblehub.com...
As you can see in the speech plurals are used but in the next verse it says "God created man in his own image, in the image of God" (note this was not in quotation marks and therfore not His speech)
Obviously this simply can mean that whatever he willed, occured.

another reason is that if God said that we were made in his image (in quotation marks) people would become arrogant in to believe they are something which they are not. For example those Satanists worship themselves at times but I rather not link their videos. Or simply other reasons which I feel is hard to write

Lmao...

Ok guys... play the victims...

a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Never? Perhaps you are right hahahahahahahah

originally posted by: waterLaw
The use of "our" image can be used rather than "my image" to show that God is in a superior position. A good example is done with presidents speaking with plurals.
www.brainyquote.com...
biblehub.com...
As you can see in the speech plurals are used but in the next verse it says "God created man in his own image, in the image of God" (note this was not in quotation marks and therfore not His speech)
Obviously this simply can mean that whatever he willed, occured.

another reason is that if God said that we were made in his image (in quotation marks) people would become arrogant in to believe they are something which they are not. For example those Satanists worship themselves at times but I rather not link their videos. Or simply other reasons which I feel is hard to write

I only brought it up because of the differences of opinion between the Unitarians and the Trinitarians.

Basically, both theological opinions believe there is only one God. The Unitarians reject the notion that "God is three persons in one being".

a reply to: randyvs I had an encounter with Him in 1992, and it changed my life. He's real, and He loves us more than we know.

a reply to: GeisterFahrer
The image problem is solved in Genesis 5:1-3, showing that Adam was in the image of God, and his descendants are in the image of fallen Adam.

originally posted by: Jim Scott
a reply to: GeisterFahrer
The image problem is solved in Genesis 5:1-3, showing that Adam was in the image of God, and his descendants are in the image of fallen Adam.

There are more than just one reference/verse to the use of God referring to himself in the plural form. Just do a google search.


Also - kind of a different subject - but Moses is credited with writing the first 5 books of the Bible. When he wrote about the Exodus, it is important to note he was writing in the past tense. He was referring to cities by the names they were called at the time he wrote the book - not their names when the Jews occupied them. That is why it had always been assumed that the Exodus took place under the reign of Ramses (since Moses referred to Avaris as the city of Ramses).

Anyways ...here is a link www.simchajtv.com...

There is a documentary on Netflix about this where they show the actual statue.

a reply to: Akragon

Perhaps I should have said most people that aren't Christian?

How are most people who aren't Christians so much more in the know?
And you think that's less ignorant? And even tho I didn't accuse you of
attacking anyone, I'm pretty sure the shoe fits.

Ok guys... play the victims...

More proof of how backwards you are by your own choosing Ak.
Christ went to the cross so we would no longer be the victims.

We are the victors and all we have to do is claim it.

a reply to: randyvs

Ye know you're probably right... I shall retract that statement

I think he's saying "Jesus was not God"

-------------------------- you'll never convince Christians of it

Regardless of what the "good book" says

its still true though... IF im getting what the OP is on about

a reply to: Akragon

That's fair enough.

a reply to: randyvs

Christ went to the cross so we would no longer be the victims

The victims of what?

Life?

You two are crying because I said the trinity isn't biblical... its not...

How am I "in attack mode" for telling the truth?

a reply to: waterLaw

Jesus came to me in a dream. He said "Hey, tell all those morons on earth I have better things to do then destroy the world. And tell them I dont give humans dreams unless they are good dreams. Yeah, thats right. Ever notice they always make me out to be some horrific slayer jealous god that just wants to punish everyone all the time? Tell everyone on the planet THEY are the problem. Tell them to drink a beer and enjoy life and stop spreading doom porn.Because really your not that important to me. Dolphins are much more fun to hang out with. "

So there you have it people straight from Jesus.

OP, what makes you believe that the Lord Jesus Christ isn't God?

Religion perhaps?

That's a HUGE clue right there.

Religion has ALWAYS hated Him...

If one ever expects to find the truth concerning topics such as this one you must realize that the stealth agenda behind religions is to keep you from finding the truth.

Going directly to the source of truth is the only way.

Wisdom is only gained through experience.

The video below is the best I've seen on this BTW...

“I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I AM!” ~ John 8:58

The Lord Jesus Christ is the member of the Godhead by which ALL things were created...

God was made manifest in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" ~ John 1:1

...in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. ~ Hebrews 1:2

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. ~ 1 Corinthians 8:6

And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ ~ Ephesians 3:9

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. ~ Colossians 1:16-17

Jesus is saying ‘It is me, do you see in Genesis 1:26. Yes, me, I was with your ancestors right at the beginning when I made you in my image and likeness. I came to your ancestors, yes, me Jesus in Genesis 3:8 as the Lord God as I was walking in the garden in the cool of the day and your ancestors hid from me among the trees.

It was me Jesus who spoke to your ancestors saying “Where are you?” It was me, Jesus the Lord God, who made the garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. It was me, Jesus Christ your Lord God, who appeared with my two angels to meet Abraham near the great trees of Mamre. It was me, your Lord God Jesus Christ (YESHUA) in Exodus 6:2, when I said to Moses, I AM the LORD who appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty.

To inform you on the nature of the Incarnation (copied across from a previous thread);

The opening verses of John’s Gospel make two sets of statements about the Word.
They describe what the Word was.
They describe what the Word became.
The way to understand the Word is to combine the two together.

The Word was… (vv1-5)

The Word was “In the beginning”.
This phrase is the well-known opening of the Genesis account of the Creation.
So the use of it here identifies the Word (and not just God) with the act of Creation.
And if the Word already “was” at the time of the Creation, that places the origin of the Word before the time of Creation.

The Word was “with God”.
The word “with” translates PROS, which is not just “standing next to”, but in some sense ”moving towards”, or “acting towards” God.
It implies a more direct relationship.

“God, was the Word”.
The word “God”(placed first for emphasis) comes without the Greek “the”.
That is, the Word is not identified with the totality of God.
Rather, “God” describes his nature.

“All things were made through him”.
“Were made” is a translation of EGENETO. That is, “became” or “came into existence”.
In other words, everything that was made came into existence through his agency.
The statement is then repeated in the negative form- ”Nothing that was made was made without his agency.

This double statement is important, because it makes it logically impossible to include the Word itself among the “things which were made”.
For if the Word was one of the “things which were made”, it would have to come into existence before it came into existence, so that it could help to bring itself into existence.
Which is obviously absurd.
So this declaration from John means that the Word must be excluded from the category of “things which were made”.

(None of the clean-shaven men in the village shave themselves.
They all get shaved by the village barber.
Which means, does it not, that the barber himself cannot be one of the clean-shaven men of the village?
Because in that case he would be a “clean-shaven man shaving himself”, which has already been ruled out.)

In short, the Word is uncreated; a feature of the Creator God, and not a feature of the created world.

The Word is also given as the provider of Life, and as such the provider of Light.
These words, too, are an echo of the creation account in Genesis.
The light shines out in the darkness, irresistibly; the darkness could not swallow it up and overcome it.

(My quick test of Bible translations. Do not bother with any translation which claims, in v5, that the darkness “has not understood” the light.)

The Word became…(v14)

The Word “became flesh”.
This is a translation of SARX EGENETO.

The word EGENETO has already been used in v3 to describe the event of being created.
In becoming “flesh”, and only then, the Word joined the ranks of “the things which were made”.
The “flesh” which the Word “became” is the nature of man, as distinct from the nature of God which was claimed for the Word in v2.

When the Word became flesh, did it cease to be the Word?
There are two options about the meaning of “became”.
When the land between England and Germany was flooded, that land became sea- and consequently ceased to be land. The new status replaced the old status.
But when the man Abraham Lincoln became President, he did not cease to be the man Abraham Lincoln. His new status was an addition to his old status.

The structure of the sentence shows that “The Word became flesh” has the second kind of meaning.
If the sentence had read “The Word became flesh, and the flesh dwelt among us”, that would have been like “the land became sea”.
But in fact the two verbs have the same subject; the meaning of the sentence is therefore that the Word became flesh and the Word dwelt among us.
In other words, “the flesh” must have been an addition to the previous nature of the Word, which continued to exist as the Word.
As the later Creeds would put it, his humanity was “taken up” into his divinity.

Finally, the following verses clearly identify this “Word became flesh” with Jesus Christ.
In v15, John the Baptist bears witness “to him”, that is the Word mentioned in the previous verse.
V16 declares that we have received grace from the same, and v17 gives the name of Jesus Christ as the source of this grace.
He is then implicitly identified in the next verse as “the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father”.
Which brings us round in a full circle back to the teaching of the first verse.


Thus the message of this passage is describing two stages in the history of the Word.
First, the Word was with God and the Word was God.
Then the Word became flesh (that is, became human).
And the result is a conjunction of the two natures, the nature of God and the nature of humanity.

originally posted by: texasyeti
a reply to: waterLaw

Jesus came to me in a dream. He said "Hey, tell all those morons on earth I have better things to do then destroy the world. And tell them I dont give humans dreams unless they are good dreams. Yeah, thats right. Ever notice they always make me out to be some horrific slayer jealous god that just wants to punish everyone all the time? Tell everyone on the planet THEY are the problem. Tell them to drink a beer and enjoy life and stop spreading doom porn.Because really your not that important to me. Dolphins are much more fun to hang out with. "

So there you have it people straight from Jesus.