Addressing Christians (not conspiracy)

I am here to put a link then small amounts of writing with links to verses (only a few). I am not bashing but rather informing but know that I can make mistakes and if you feel you need to correct me then feel free to do so.

www.biblegateway.com...:21-23
As you can see there are people that even when they cry out "lord, lord" Jesus will reject them and say that they are evil doers.

biblehub.com...
This is reference to "the hour". No 1 will no except the father. This means that father and son are not the same meaning we would count this as 2.

www.biblegateway.com...:5
Clearly states that there is 1 God and that Jesus is a mediator. Internet definition of mediator is
-----Mediation, as used in law, is a form of alternative dispute resolution (ADR), a way of resolving disputes between two or more parties with concrete effects. Typically, a third party, the mediator, assists the parties to negotiate a settlement.
The use of third party is a possibility meaning he isn't God but perhaps he isn't the same as the people.

www.biblegateway.com...:30
States that by hiself he can do nothing which shows weakness which God has none.

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Jesus questioned person on calling him good and stated "no 1 is good except God alone"
This simply dissociates Jesus with God yet again

www.biblegateway.com...:13-15
please note that God cannot be tempted
www.biblegateway.com...:1-11
This then shows that Jesus was tempted. Clearly showing that he is unlike the "God that cannot be tempted"

But why is he called son of God?
biblehub.com...
"I have chosen him to be a son to Me, and I will be a father to him"
Clearly Solomon is chosen to be son of God in this passage and therefore negates Jesus from having the superior status of God.

This took me about 30 minutes to bring up with the use of the internet (maybe more/less). Not here to troll, each point has a link and I'm willing to hear the other side of the story on each and every link that I have put up. Please don't say some of them are false and some of them are correct due to being from a certain person/book for God does not make mistakes.

If you are truly willing to spend 4 hours of your life to check 1 video that may help change your veiw for the rest of your life click this.www.youtube.com... This video includes much scientific stuff but is a debate so try not to get angry but rather use the information given in the video to easily search on the internet or read a book if you don't believe it.

Know that I tend to be sceptical so take your time in learning for following something blindly is ....

a reply to: waterLaw

I'm one hundred percent positive I could straighten you
out on all of this IF I JUST KNEW WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE TALK'N ABOUT?

No habla jibber-jabber.
Talk in white-man speak.

a reply to: randyvs

How could you know 100% about correcting him if you don't know what it is he's saying yet??

So what is your question or what are you addressing Christians for?

You seemed to be decided already

But in any case, this statements which you pointed out can be interpreted in many ways as can be all in general. This puzzle seems to be the key of all confusion. One who reads the bible or other spiritual texts and does not think between the lines will get confused because of the contradictions. But when you take into account that things are written from relative (yours,individual, Jesus) and absolute (god) prospective then those statements should get clearer.

a reply to: mOjOm

Oh! Now I'm the one not making sense!

I was set up!

I think he's saying "Jesus was not God"

------------------, and you'll never convince Christians of it

Regardless of what the "good book" says

a reply to: mOjOm

oh man was I that bad? Well then... Next time I will put more effort in explaining but it is recommended that you click link 1st t

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: mOjOm

Oh! Now I'm the one not making sense!

I was set up!

LOL. No, you made sense. I just don't know how you can say you are 100% confident that you can correct him until you at least know what it was he was saying.

I got a gist of what he/she is trying to say. It is the Unitarians vs. the Trinitarians. He skipped right over the passages in Genesis where God said he made man in "our" image (plural). He/She also did not reference Genesis 3:22 "the man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil ..."


God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit 3 into 1 - trinitarian

Only one God - Unitarian

No God - atheist

No God, but I adhere to Christian principles - humanism

I am not convinced - Agnostic


Jesus explained exactly who he was. He was God revealing himself to man, using the form of a man.

a reply to: randyvs

nice. could you point out 1 thing only? rather than joke and say I could do all of them.
In a verse God is shown to not be tempted ever but in another one Jesus is shown to be tempted. The verses are already linked in my post. Correct me on this convincingly and I will never post anything about this ever again.

a reply to: mOjOm

Well I may have exaggeraqted a little.

a reply to: waterLaw

Is this one of those threads arguing against "Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, who died on the cross, was Resurrected, and is the redeemer of mankind" threads?

4 hour video with some Islamic dude screeching... no thanks.

www.biblegateway.com...

I and my Father are one.

a reply to: GeisterFahrer

When two people are married they become "one" as well...

Does that mean they are one and the same?

Of course not..

Know your Bible. Christ "emptied himself" so He could be with us. Think of it like a human becoming an ant in order to tell ants something important. Also, it shows humility. I like to think that someday I will be able to hug Him. It's called kenosis. kenosis.info...

Yes, the Trinity is real and backed by scripture:

TRINITY IN THE BIBLE

----One God:----
1 Tim 2:5, Deut 4:35, 6:4, Isa 43:10-11:
Plurality of One God: Gen 1:26, 3:22, 11:7, Isa 6:8.
Isa 9:6 shows the multiple persons of God as Father, Son, and Counsellor
(aka Comforter, which Jesus said he would send to his disciples John 15:26)

----The Father is God----
Isa 6:3 ,1 Cor 8:6, John 17:1-3, II Cor 1:3, Philippians 2:11, Col 1:3,
I Peter 1:2, Matt 6:8, 7:21, Gal 1:1

----The Son is God----
Jn 12:41, 5:18, 20:28, 1:1-14, 9:35-3, Titus 2:13, Rom 9:5, II Pet 1:1,
Col 2:9, Heb 1:8-10, Rev 1:8,18, Is 7:14, 45:21-22 Mic 5:2, Matt 1:23

----The Spirit is God----
John 16:13, Heb 9:14, Acts 5:3-4, II Cor 3:17, John 15:26

----Who raised Jesus from the dead:----
Father Rom 6:4, Acts 3:26, I Thes 1:10
Son John 2:19-21, 10:17-18
Spirit Rom 8:11
God Heb 13:20, Acts 13:30, 17:31

----Who is God?----
Father Eph 4:6
Son Tit 2:13, John 1:1, 20:28, 9:35-37
Spirit Gen 1:2, Ps 104:30
God Gen 1:1, Heb 11:3

----Who saves man?----
Father 1 Pet 1:3
Son John 5:21, 4:14
Spirit John 3:6, Tit 3:5
God 1 John 3:9

----Who justifies man?----
Father Jer 23:6, II Cor 5:19
Son Rom 5:9, 10:4, II Cor 5:19,21
Spirit I Cor 6:11, Gal 5:5
God Rom 4:6, 9:33

----Who sanctifies man?----
Father Jude 1
Son Tit 2:14
Spirit I Pet 1:2
God Ex 31:13

Persons of God do: Of the Father, by the Son, through the Spirit 1 Cor:8:6, John 15:26

originally posted by: waterLaw
a reply to: randyvs

nice. could you point out 1 thing only? rather than joke and say I could do all of them.
In a verse God is shown to not be tempted ever but in another one Jesus is shown to be tempted. The verses are already linked in my post. Correct me on this convincingly and I will never post anything about this ever again.

Are you referring to Jesus being tempted by Satan??

a reply to: Jim Scott

I'll be happy just to lay eyes on him.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: GeisterFahrer

When two people are married they become "one" as well...

Does that mean they are one and the same?

Of course not..

They become one "flesh". Specifically, a male and a female. They do not become the same entity.

Ever hear the expression - "my other half?"

a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Just as Jesus and His Father were not the same entity...

The trinity isn't biblical... its as simple as that

Love the copy and paste from a Christian website from the other poster above though... typical

Ever hear the expression - "my other half?"

yeah that's called Unitarianism... Jesus and the Father are one... but they also consider Jesus God...

Even though the man himself did not

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Just as Jesus and His Father were not the same entity...

The trinity isn't biblical... its as simple as that

Love the copy and paste from a Christian website from the other poster above though... typical

So, you apparently are on "attack all the Christians" mode.

Sorry, I won't engage with you any further. I've had a lifetime of these discussions and am able to tell when someone is being sincere.