Repent you Sinners, and bow down to ALL that is Holy, er NOT.

originally posted by: windword

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muse7

I'm laughing at how the Pope just made one of the left's biggest sacred cow issues into a Christian issue with his blessing.

And I'm wondering how the left will ever again be able to argue separation of church and state if they continue to push this issue?

They CAN NEVER argue separation of church and state again.

EVER.

You do know that this is the 4th Pope to visit the White House, right? Why is this time the clincher for you?

Like I asked earlier in the thread that was NEVER answered.

Did they push American Political Agendas ?

a reply to: neo96

If your claim is that it was violated then you should be able to explain exactly how.


I haven't seen you make a case for it being violated yet just insinuations that it was.

a reply to: Grimpachi

For the president, it’s an opportunity to showcase the pope’s support for his initiatives on income inequality, immigration and climate change.

You don't call that a violation ?

ALL political issues.

a reply to: neo96

No that isn't a violation.

Like I said, it doesn't mean what you think it means.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: windword

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muse7

I'm laughing at how the Pope just made one of the left's biggest sacred cow issues into a Christian issue with his blessing.

And I'm wondering how the left will ever again be able to argue separation of church and state if they continue to push this issue?

They CAN NEVER argue separation of church and state again.

EVER.

You do know that this is the 4th Pope to visit the White House, right? Why is this time the clincher for you?

Like I asked earlier in the thread that was NEVER answered.

Did they push American Political Agendas ?

Bush said the visit was a reminder to Americans to "distinguish between simple right and wrong", saying, "We need your message to reject this dictatorship of relativism and embrace a culture of justice and truth." He told the Pope that in America, "you'll find a nation that welcomes the role of religion in the public square...[I]n a world where some evoke the name of God to justify acts of terror and murder and hate, we need your message that God is love. And embracing this love is the surest way to save man from falling prey to the teaching of fanaticism and terrorism."

Yeah, George W Bush NEVER used the Pope for his agenda, and the Pope NEVER tried to influence american politics before today!

During their private meeting in the Oval Office, the Pope expressed his concerns to Bush about the Iraq War and illegal immigration in the country
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Grimpachi

Hmmm.

a reply to: neo96

You still haven't shown any violation.


You should stick to second amendment issues at least you have some understanding on those, but time and time again you fail to comprehend other amendmendments and now seperation of church and state.

a reply to: Grimpachi

For starters, you have an administration which has arranged for a pope to speak before a special joint session of Congress to push policy issues the same administration has been pushing for. When pressed on this, the Vatican's official statement was that Francis will be speaking to Congress not as the leader of the Church, but as a head of state.

There's little unique in this when it comes down to this administration. They've also sat at the negotiation table with the Ayatollah, Iran's "Supreme" religious leader, and excused his concurrent "Death to America" ramblings as being him acting as a religious leader, not as the head of state he represents when at the table. Of course these same idiots seem to have a lot of difficulty separating someone like Michele Bachman or Ted Cruz's candidacy from their religious underpinnings, when they wield so much less religious power as simple congregants of their chosen churches than do a pope or Ayatollah as the primary figureheads of their respective religions. It's quite strange, really, A person who simply attends services and embraces the message from those services poses a greater threat in this administration's eyes than someone who is an unquestioned policymaker over the religion of millions (billions in the case of the pope.) Upside down and backwards, much?

a reply to: burdman30ott6

For starters, you have an administration which has arranged for a pope to speak before a special joint session of Congress to push policy issues the same administration has been pushing for. When pressed on this, the Vatican's official statement was that Francis will be speaking to Congress not as the leader of the Church, but as a head of state.

Having him speak to congress is not a violation either. He is considered as a head of state. Vatican City. Even if he spoke as a religious leader that still wouldn't be a violation of church and state.

They've also sat at the negotiation table with the Ayatollah

One issue at a time or we will get into gish gallop territory.

a reply to: Grimpachi

For the president, it’s an opportunity to showcase the pope’s support for his initiatives on income inequality, immigration and climate change.

So your saying those are not American political issues the president has been whining about for the last seven years?

THEY ARE.

You should stick to second amendment issues at least you have some understanding on those, but time and time again you fail to comprehend other amendmendments and now seperation of church and state.

Nope. Understand them both better than most around here.

For those that think it is perfectly acceptable for a religious figure to be spouting off about American political issues.

It isn't.

a reply to: neo96

Godwin - you lose.

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

Yeah someone lost:

a reply to: neo96

So your saying those are not American political issues the president has been whining about for the last seven years?

THEY ARE.

Correct, they are political issues. What does that have to do with violating separation of church and state?

Nope. Understand them both better than most around here.

So you claim.

For those that think it is perfectly acceptable for a religious figure to be spouting off about American political issues.

It isn't.

You can have that opinion but there is no legal or constitutional grounds that say a religous leader cant "spout off about American political issues".

Like I keep telling you, seperation of church and state doesn't mean what you think it means.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Grimpachi


For those that think it is perfectly acceptable for a religious figure to be spouting off about American political issues.

It isn't.

Really ??

Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

How about all those ultra-religious nutjob GOP candidates??

Doesn't mean what I think it means!!!!!

Too rich.

“Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation and a nation of non-believers,” Obama said. - See more at: www.au.org...

“Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values,” said Obama. “It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.” - See more at: www.au.org...

The wall of separation between church and state has taken a lot of battering over the past eight years. We look forward to the opportunity to patch up some of those holes. - See more at: www.au.org...

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Grimpachi


For those that think it is perfectly acceptable for a religious figure to be spouting off about American political issues.

It isn't.

Really ??

Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

How about all those ultra-religious nutjob GOP candidates??

And THERE'S the hypocrisy!

*golf clap*

The conservatives are religious nut jobs because you disagree with them, but the Pope is a wonderful, Godly man and saintly and we should bow to his religious awesomeness because you agree with him.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muse7

I'm laughing at how the Pope just made one of the left's biggest sacred cow issues into a Christian issue with his blessing.

And I'm wondering how the left will ever again be able to argue separation of church and state if they continue to push this issue?

They CAN NEVER argue separation of church and state again.

EVER.

It doesn't mean what you think it means.

Pretty sure I do.

You really, really don't.

a reply to: Grimpachi



So people does a papal endorsement of Obama's policies tell how people they should vote?

Why yes it does.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Grimpachi

For the president, it’s an opportunity to showcase the pope’s support for his initiatives on income inequality, immigration and climate change.

So your saying those are not American political issues the president has been whining about for the last seven years?

THEY ARE.

You should stick to second amendment issues at least you have some understanding on those, but time and time again you fail to comprehend other amendmendments and now seperation of church and state.

Nope. Understand them both better than most around here.

For those that think it is perfectly acceptable for a religious figure to be spouting off about American political issues.

It isn't.

Digging your grave...

the pope is in politics man...