Best Description Of The Reptilians You've Ever Seen

Posting pics of aliens from Star Trek DOES NOT make me buy into the whole reptoid thing. As for Trek being an Illuminati mind control trick.....Rubbish. Why would a show that teaches lessons in tolerance and the questioning of the status quo/authority be a tool of a group that wishes to enslave humanity, eliminate free thinking and induviduality? That whole argument/idea is weak. Gee-whiz.

Understandably.

Physical evidence is all but lacking--to actually view and converse with these Alien races.

But an intention to eliminate the human race is very much in evidence.

So, what do you want people to do--give up and give in to omnicide and genocide?

The ICC has lawsuits working against US leaders for omnicide and genocide brought by two physicians, Boyd Graves (AIDS)

www.boydgraves.com/svcp/gallo1971.html
www.boydgraves.com/class/day82.html
www.whale.to...

and an Indian doctor [whose URL I have lost in hd crash] is suing for war crimes and crimes against humanity (omnicide).

www.icc-cpi.int...

These lawsuits are anything but trivial. Shall we look the other way?

Or what?


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What do you propose to do besides look the other way?

There aren't really too many options as far as I can tell. Sure, I'd be willing to grab my pitchfork and rally against the imposing reptilian threat if there was evidence that that was necessary. As it stands, there isn't.

[edit on 2-1-2005 by Lartsa Cleargleam]

Originally posted by Lartsa Cleargleam
I don't think it's necessary to turn this thread into a religious debate,

No Cleargleam indeed it is not, I was merely trying to make a point by bringing religion into the conversation, not deviate in any way from the original topic. Sounds like you grasped that point because you stated ...

Originally posted by Lartsa Cleargleam

I'd say that "Draco" and "Lyrians" waging epic war thousands of years ago over the fate of the planet is just as silly as Michael and Satan duking it out over Moses' corpse.

Originally posted by Lartsa Cleargleam

There is no irrefutable proof that Jesus existed. There is no irrefutable proof that we all have a little "reptile" in our genes.

Why trumpet either as the ultimate reality?

I stated i was not going to comment either way as to my beliefs on the subject, therefore i am not trumpeting anything as the ultimate reality. Again i urge people to please read something properly before posting a comment.

[edit on 2-1-2005 by MERC]

I stated i was not going to comment either way as to my beliefs on the subject, therefore i am not trumpeting anything as the ultimate reality. Again i urge people to please read something properly before posting a comment.

You have to have a stand on something in order to debate it. I've made my case known, therefore I'm pretty free to explain why I feel the way that I do. I have no clue where you're coming from, so I think it's pretty safe to say that my response to you was highly generalized and merely in answer to your question (while being slightly directed at Merger, in response to what he said a few posts up).

I read what you said, comprehended it rather quickly, and I think I responded in a pretty fair and straightforward way. Sadly, I can't say the same for you.

What is the point in posting on the subject if you have nothing to say about it?

Grasped the point, indeed.

My point was (and will remain), unless you have proof that something exists, it's up in the air. My question was, why believe one hundred percent in something that you have no way of being sure of?

Just seems silly to me, is all.

Originally posted by Lartsa Cleargleam

What do you propose to do besides look the other way?

There aren't really too many options as far as I can tell. Sure, I'd be willing to grab my pitchfork and rally against the imposing reptilian threat if there was evidence that that was necessary. As it stands, there isn't.

THAT's the Trillion Dollar Question, yeah!

Let's look at it from different points-of-view.

Omnicide and genocide are NOT sectarian issues, in the world's religions.

Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims all agree--Omnicide and Genocide are illegal, unethical, immoral ACTS--whether carried out by humans or by other races.

The Bible at Rev. 11:18 SAYS Omnicide and Genocide are illegal, unethical, immoral ACTS. Yet, Christians believe what they believe and follow whom they follow, despite what the Outcome IS, that has been declared in their Holy Book as SACRED--that the Earth should prevail and not just DEATH.

Death of this planet is NOT a human, legal, moral OPTION.

Maybe we need to deal with this problem--not in the domain of religion, but in the domain of POLITICS??

Who are the Players in that Arena? The Supreme Court, Federal Courts, the ICC, the Press and World Opinion, ACLU.

Who become our Adversaries, by definition, in this fight for the Life of our very Planet?

Bankers [specifically the Rothschilds, who normally fund both sides of wars], defense industrialists, the people who make money off strife and war, the Queen of England [for economic reasons] and both major political parties in the US since they have both resisted and remained silent about the topics of genocide and omnicide.

I think we need to do some PR.

Got any better ideas?

Originally posted by Lartsa Cleargleam

I stated i was not going to comment either way as to my beliefs on the subject, therefore i am not trumpeting anything as the ultimate reality. Again i urge people to please read something properly before posting a comment.

You have to have a stand on something in order to debate it. I've made my case known, therefore I'm pretty free to explain why I feel the way that I do. I have no clue where you're coming from, so I think it's pretty safe to say that my response to you was highly generalized and merely in answer to your question (while being slightly directed at Merger, in response to what he said a few posts up).

I read what you said, comprehended it rather quickly, and I think I responded in a pretty fair and straightforward way. Sadly, I can't say the same for you.

What is the point in posting on the subject if you have nothing to say about it?

Grasped the point, indeed.

My point was (and will remain), unless you have proof that something exists, it's up in the air. My question was, why believe one hundred percent in something that you have no way of being sure of?

Just seems silly to me, is all.

Are you stupid? when did i say i beleived 100% in anything in this topic? Im not claiming to have proof of anything whatsoever, i was asking others for thier's. Obviously you didnt read what i said, otherwise you wouldnt spout some utterly rediculous false accusations in my direction. Now go back and PLEASE READ what i typed.

LOL @ saying you dont know where someones coming from, then turning round a few lines later and writing you were able to comprehend what was said rather quickly. Is that not a contradiction?

Furthermore i would like to add you can contribute something to a debate without revealing what your beliefs are as to the original topic, especially when asking a question. On a televised debate would someone in the audience asking a question be considered a non-contributer just because he/she hasnt stated what they beleive about reptilians?

Now tell me what seems silly?

[edit on 2-1-2005 by MERC]

Furthermore i would like to add you can contribute something to a debate without revealing what your beliefs are as to the original topic, especially when asking a question. On a televised debate would someone in the audience asking a question be considered a non-contributer just because he/she hasnt stated what they beleive about reptilians? . . . Now tell me what seems silly?

What seems silly to me is, you're not dealing with perceived intentions of these alleged Alien Reptilians.

That's stupid.

If they were perceived to be as harmless, inscrutable and inaccessible as Big Foot, then finding them is merely an exercise out of curiosity.

But, if Reptilians have a malevolent agenda--as is alleged--then we better go flush them out--DONCHA THINK?

Or do you want to sit on your hands while omnicide and genocide are simply matters of State-craft???

Oh boy.

I can tell, in that case, whose side you're on.

I'm not going to argue with you, MERC.

The question I brought up was a general one directed at those, like Merger, who are professing belief in something that they have no proof of. My comments towards you would've given you that impression had you thought through them since I made quite clear that I couldn't debate with someone that had no stance on the subject being debated.

On a televised debate, the observers asking the questions aren't the ones debating. That'll be all.

Moving along. defrag: Religion is bunk to me. Politics are and always will be shady. It's hard to discuss a topic in which its only basis of information stems from a few authors here and there who are dealing with faceless names. The Rothschilds? Why do we never hear about such important people outside of these circles? To me, talking about these reptilian arch-foes is like talking about the MIB.

We can say all we want about what we might think they're doing, but until they show up in plain sight for everyone to see them do it, there's nothing we can do about them. It's all guesswork. Which is why I'm wondering why we're taking it to the point of literal truth? The farthest I'd take it would be serious enough to warrant investigating it further so that there can be proof there at some point, but no one so far has taken it to that extent.

Anyway, I'm serious about that Scott Bakula thing.

[edit on 2-1-2005 by Lartsa Cleargleam]

Please forgive my ignorance.

WHAT Scott Bakula thing?

Where is that being discussed?



[edit on 2-1-2005 by defrag99]

What genocide? What omnicide? And if this is being done what is the need for it to be at the hands of these supposed Reptoids? Humans have demonstrated the abilty to cause such humanitarian disasters without the intervention or guidance of a dubious alien race. We don't need help to be rat bastards to another. We are real good at it all by ourselves.

[edit on 2-1-2005 by Der Kapitan]

I don't believe that humans are rat bastards "all by themselves."

I don't believe that human society as a whole would inform themselves about omnicide--comprising chem-trails, fluoride pollution and depleted uranium scattered about--without heavy suggestions from other "interested parties" wanting the geography for themselves.

Never.

Nobody gets married so their children can be deformed, die in infancy, or starve in some future war scenario.

Doesn't happen without intervention of some sort.

Impossible. ALL HUMANS are not THAT evil.

Adolph Hitler
Joseph Mengele
Idi Amin
Slobodan Milosovec
David Berkowitz
John Wayne Gacy
Charles Manson
Jim Jones
Josef Stalin
Kim Jong Il

Humans not evil all by themselves? Would you like me to list more?

Originally posted by defrag99

If they were perceived to be as harmless, inscrutable and inaccessible as Big Foot, then finding them is merely an exercise out of curiosity.

But, if Reptilians have a malevolent agenda--as is alleged--then we better go flush them out--DONCHA THINK?

If bieng the operative word. I have been presented with no evidence whatsoever to support the reptilian theory. That said however, it does not mean they don't exist. I will not engage in pathetically pointless speculation mongering exercises like this one, I have already asked questions to those who scoffed at a conspiracy theory such as this one but blindly beleive the bible, and i have contributed to this thread without entering the debate fully. Im not going to waste my time trying to "flush" something out that i dont even have proof exists. What evidence are you basing your claims on? David Icke? If its something more credible than the word of a delusional psychopath then please show it to me. I would be interested to see it.

Der Kapitan, You gave me a list of a score (20). Big deal.

Now, listen to what I said: NOT ALL HUMANS are that evil, or buy into evil.

MERC: You don't see evidence of Reptilians. Don't you see evidence of the desire to decapitate, weaken and annihilate Humanity at work?

You honestly believe that Humanity will tacitly give in to objective realities that the USSAGummint & European intell covert ops are creating--unintentionally as well as intentionally?

Sure, soldiers get overwrought and they go shoot everybody in town.

But, our soldiers are going to come home disabled, sterile and sick--by the Policies of our very own Pentagon.

Sure, our students are having a time just competing against tests.

But, they're also subject to chem-trails, fluoride in water and drugs, aspartame in soda, faulty vaccines, invidious violent games and videos, absent parents [due to work constraints], and dumbed-down news functions. This is all accidental?

Wow! We're nothing but stupid too, eh?

And the enders who are supposed to provide the foundation of stability, wisdom and knowledge are silly, incompetent, drugged, senile, hopeless and helpless in these elder farms called "senior communities," but that's OKAY because there are lots of laws to cover to what extent their properties can be absorbed by Collections; to what extent they can be drugged senseless; and the extent to which Medicare will pay for seniors being churned through an impotent medical establishment based on judgments made by nurse-triage specialists.

You don't see the STARK exploitation at work here?

In spades?

Hello.



[edit on 2-1-2005 by defrag99]

We are capable of great good, I didn't mean to imply that we are entirely evil. I just don't beleive that we need help, if you will, to create atrocities with the guidance of some clandestine alien force. And who the hell said anything about our own soldiers? Again I was pointing out that our history is ripe with evil people who used their postions for their own gain, and murderously at that.

[edit on 2-1-2005 by Der Kapitan]

And, where would you like the help to come from?

If it doesn't come from "within ourselves" as participants in our own governnance, where the Hell is it going to come from?

Tell me, please. I can't wait to hear this.

The help has to come from ourselves. I'm not saying aliens are behind all the good and evil in the world. I doubt that aliens have much or anything to do with us at all. This is our world. It's up to us to make it a paradise of humanity and it's our fault/problem if it gets chucked into the sewer.

[edit on 2-1-2005 by Der Kapitan]

Originally posted by defrag99

MERC: You don't see evidence of Reptilians. Don't you see evidence of the desire to decapitate, weaken and annihilate Humanity at work?

Yes i do see efforts to weaken and annihilate humanity, but that does not immediatly mean those efforts are the work of Reptiles. How did you arrive at this theory?

I am approaching this topic from a theoretical standpoint. Therefore, my intentions behind this post will be purely theoretical. I am interested in advancing the current discussion of a theory concerning possible alien intervention with humanity. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything.

Very explicitly, I am not interested in proving the theory; therefore, I will not respond to requests for "proof". In my humble opinion, "proof" of any theory is a scientific process involving measurement.

Null hypothesis: An extraterrestrial race referred to as "Reptilians" has never interacted with homo sapiens.

Alternative hypothesis: An extraterrestrial race referred to as "Reptilians" has interacted with homo sapiens.

I am interested in stimulating theory-based discussion related to either of the above two hypotheses.

To address Gazrok's points as they relate to the hypotheses:

1. Reptoids live in the hollow Earth.
Problem: Every bit of geological evidence we have says that this is simply not the cast, and that there are no such realms. Satellites get more and more sophisticated each and every day. For them to be down there, and interacting here, there'd also have to be ways to get up here. So, in all of these thousands of years, such passages haven't been found? C'mon....

Do members of the public have access to classified satellite information and data? No.

There is also an ideological continuum that exists with this point. It may very well be the case that a hollow earth does not exist. Would this necessarily disprove a reptilian presence underground? Not necessarily.

For instance, the militaries of the world have all admitted to having underground installations. If the reptilians have "infiltrated" or "interacted" with these militaries, there may exist joint alien-human underground bases.

Perhaps passages have been found, but the locations of those passages are not available to the majority of the population.

2. Reptoids want to control the Earth.
Problem: This would have been FAR easier in the past, why wait so long? Doesn't make sense. Why contend with underground nukes, etc. when you could have conquered with swords?

Perhaps they are already in control of the Earth. Also underground nukes, etc. (i.e. modern weapons) operate on certain physical properties and "laws". These modern weapons have only been developed in the past century or two. One can only imagine the increased range and effectiveness of weapons developed over the course of a few million years. Our nuclear weapons may appear to them as swords.

3. Reptoids have been controlling many through DNA related rulers.
Problem: If already ruling through these others, why stay in the shadows?

This is a very credible point. By definition, a ruler or world leader "oversees" many many entities in some fashion (i.e. organizations, committees, human beings, etc). There are entities that exist within public awareness, and others that are outside of public awareness. Some of these entities require secrecy to properly function (such as the NSA, as a crude example). Thus, the need for secrecy may be critical for whatever it is that the reptilians seek to accomplish.

4. Reptoids have been here for thousands of years, and in great numbers.
Problem: And yet not one fossil found? Surely back in the day, one would have been frozen by a glacier flood, mudslide, etc. like we find with so many other fossils? No military clashes, resulting in the taking of the Reptoid dead, etc.? During all of our supposed common history?

Can we say that we really have a complete and uncensored version of history? Military clashes resulting in acquisition of an alien corpse would still be bound by the need for secrecy from the general public.

The point about fossils brings up a very interesting issue. Are we necessarily aware that reptilians have the biological consistency that would permit the forming of fossils (as we currently understand the process)? Additionally we may not have found such fossils because we don't know where to look. If reptilian behavior is actually marked by ritual, these fossils may exist but have not yet been found.

Sorry, it just doesn't add up at all. Let's compare them even to the aliens. At least with aliens we have government documents in addition to witnesses, pointing to their existence, even their origins. Not so with Reptoids.

The problem with government documents is the reality of misinformation. Some of these "unclassified FOIA government documents" may be part of an elaborate ruse designed to distract us away from a larger scheme. This scheme may or may not include repilians/reptoids.

I am looking forward to further theoretical discussion. Again though, I assert that there is no proof for anything at this point.

MK