Best Description Of The Reptilians You've Ever Seen

MKULTRA-

So it leads us back to the start. Is there no source we can look at that will get us through? It's a vicious cycle, a catch 22 if you will. Can't trust what the Gov't tells us, the history books, etc. There is no paper trail to follow that is credible. It get to be like finding a corner in a round room. ARGH!

Lack of credible paper does not mean we are in a hopeless situation. It is important to remember that there may be an ounce of reality in any misinformed source. It is very much a catch 22 if your intention is to prove a theory-- one way or the other. Yes, it is certainly frustrating!

However, if you intend to simply collect data and speculate on how it "fits together", you abandon the need for proof. If you happen to fit the data together in the "right" way, then you should be able to accurately predict how the reporting and occurrence of certain events will influence the availability of future data.

MK

This reptoid stuff is a phantasy compiled by some psychologically needy people, probably teenagers.

1. All the "evidence" is taken from TV.
Pictures from TV? COME ON!! Appeals to "outer limits" and "star trek?" You're wasting my time with arguments like that. Why not use cartoons like the later Flintstones episodes? Is this what passes for photo evidence?

2. Claims about DNA
The fact is, most vertebrate DNA is pretty much identical. Most of the information is about building protein chains, after all--not hair color or blood type or anything. Give me a specific marker that you consider a reptoid chain, and then let's contact the human genome project, ok? Besides, if they can shape-shift, then the question of "reptoid" DNA is moot, right?

3. Claims about a "hollow/less dense earth."
You don't even need satelites to disprove this. You can estimate the mean density of rock/iron/nickel, and compare it with the mass of the moon, and then calculate the orbits of the earth and moon. I don't remember my numbers, but I do remember performing the calculations in my high school physics class. If there was a hollow earth/ then the mutual center of orbit would be much closer to the moon than it is. (It's actually below the earth's surface.) This means that the Earth has many times the mass of the moon, proving that earth isn't hollow, or even less dense than the theorized metal core and mantle of liquid rock.

4. Claims of reptoid control of humanity
Why do they want to control us? For food? For resources? What raw materials are being shipped off planet???? Can you give any numbers? Maybe they just control us because they are power-seeking. If so, they are doing an incredibly poor job. Give me a thousand shape-shifters and 100 years, and I will turn this planet into a plantation producing anything you want with a completely enslaved population, where the internet doesn't even exist.

5. Accusations of "arrogance" for anyone who questions the myth.
Isn't this what you're always accusing religious people of doing? It indicates to me that most of the proponents of reptoid theory are getting a type of "religious" satisfaction from it. They feel oppressed/undervalued, and reptoid mythology gives meaning to the world, and explains why the believers are not in power.

6. Indications that many believers in reptoid theory are teenagers
Most of the "pro-reptid" posters have atrocious spelling and grammar. They also generally have less than 3000 points.

Basically, this whole thread seems to be like the "Stargate SG-1 is REAL!" threads of a few months ago.

You mean to tell me, with everything you have read and alluded to, you don't believe any of it? I don't see you referring to Dr. Salla's work, either.

You've never seen ANY physical evidence to substantiate it? You refuse to believe the US Government reports, documents and testimony?

That's hard to grasp.

Why do you bother, if nothing is convincing ??

Or do you just blow this topic off, to blow this topic off?

Dr. Strangecraft, that's not what we have been talking about.

We've been discussing legitimate documentation for some time now, without having come to any particular consensus or conclusion.

Why your hostility, at this point?



[edit on 2-1-2005 by defrag99]

It's not hostility.

I don't hate the idea. I just don't think it's worth my time. I think it is a daydream, an "all-inclusive explanation" in the same sense that every religion supplies its own cosmology.

no first (or even 2nd hand) evidence.

no credible eyewitness testimony

the theory "shape-shifts" to counter every possible critique.

A scientific (or even merely logical) hypothesis is one which can be disproven. Basically, anytime a sceptic raises a question, the answer is either "you don't know jack about reality" or "you're too arrogant to see the obvious truth."

There is just no reason for me to accept the theory. It doesn't explain or predict the world in any useful ways. I DONT feel personally oppressed, and the people in this world who are being oppressed have far more concrete tormentors than a bunch of TV props.

What?

If the idea is not worth your time, what are you doing here ... ??

merely saying, it's not worth your time. That is illogical.

A scientific (or even merely logical) hypothesis is one which can be disproven. Basically, anytime a sceptic raises a question, the answer is either "you don't know jack about reality" or "you're too arrogant to see the obvious truth."

The entire Universe revolves around the Earth, doesn't it?

MK

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft

This reptoid stuff is a phantasy compiled by some psychologically needy people, probably teenagers.

1. All the "evidence" is taken from TV.
Pictures from TV? COME ON!! Appeals to "outer limits" and "star trek?" You're wasting my time with arguments like that. Why not use cartoons like the later Flintstones episodes? Is this what passes for photo evidence?

2. Claims about DNA
The fact is, most vertebrate DNA is pretty much identical. Most of the information is about building protein chains, after all--not hair color or blood type or anything. Give me a specific marker that you consider a reptoid chain, and then let's contact the human genome project, ok? Besides, if they can shape-shift, then the question of "reptoid" DNA is moot, right?

3. Claims about a "hollow/less dense earth."
You don't even need satelites to disprove this. You can estimate the mean density of rock/iron/nickel, and compare it with the mass of the moon, and then calculate the orbits of the earth and moon. I don't remember my numbers, but I do remember performing the calculations in my high school physics class. If there was a hollow earth/ then the mutual center of orbit would be much closer to the moon than it is. (It's actually below the earth's surface.) This means that the Earth has many times the mass of the moon, proving that earth isn't hollow, or even less dense than the theorized metal core and mantle of liquid rock.

4. Claims of reptoid control of humanity
Why do they want to control us? For food? For resources? What raw materials are being shipped off planet???? Can you give any numbers? Maybe they just control us because they are power-seeking. If so, they are doing an incredibly poor job. Give me a thousand shape-shifters and 100 years, and I will turn this planet into a plantation producing anything you want with a completely enslaved population, where the internet doesn't even exist.

5. Accusations of "arrogance" for anyone who questions the myth.
Isn't this what you're always accusing religious people of doing? It indicates to me that most of the proponents of reptoid theory are getting a type of "religious" satisfaction from it. They feel oppressed/undervalued, and reptoid mythology gives meaning to the world, and explains why the believers are not in power.

6. Indications that many believers in reptoid theory are teenagers
Most of the "pro-reptid" posters have atrocious spelling and grammar. They also generally have less than 3000 points.

Basically, this whole thread seems to be like the "Stargate SG-1 is REAL!" threads of a few months ago.

Mr. Hammer meets the head of the nail. Why pollute the boards with this
topic? Reptoids? C'mon man! I hope you're trying to entertain us and you're not buying in to it like you profess. It's just fantasy. Get a grip.

Slant, I'm new here, and so I just had to read the rules, like everybody else.

And what trolling is, is a person who's not involved in a conversation, dropping by and dropping a conversation bomb, and then leaving.

Now, you haven't been here for the dialogue; you're not commenting on real information--just shouting at us all.

Please go back to what ever you were doing and leave this conversation to its normal pace.

Trolling is rude.

There's enough evidence of non-human sentient species on this planet, that we got past your point, some time ago.

Just chill.

Originally posted by MKULTRA
I am approaching this topic from a theoretical standpoint. Therefore, my intentions behind this post will be purely theoretical. I am interested in advancing the current discussion of a theory concerning possible alien intervention with humanity. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything.

Very explicitly, I am not interested in proving the theory; therefore, I will not respond to requests for "proof". In my humble opinion, "proof" of any theory is a scientific process involving measurement.

Null hypothesis: An extraterrestrial race referred to as "Reptilians" has never interacted with homo sapiens.

Alternative hypothesis: An extraterrestrial race referred to as "Reptilians" has interacted with homo sapiens.

I am interested in stimulating theory-based discussion related to either of the above two hypotheses.

I am looking forward to further theoretical discussion. Again though, I assert that there is no proof for anything at this point.

MK

First off, I love this thread. A theoretical discussion regarding a possible "Reptilian", Non-Human presence on Earth. Yum. This is why I visit ATS - It would be great to temporarily suspend the need for "proof" and at least entertain a variety of theories even if they're from the lunatic literary fringe or those nagging things we call "hunches" from the unprovable depths of our "gut". Perhaps, as I think MK was suggesting, that an interesting picture could begin to emerge if we begin thoughtfully collecting all ideas and evidence, initially examining every possible angle before ruling out any of the "unlikely", "unsupported", or "stupid" ones. I too am...

looking forward to further theoretical discussion. Again though, I assert that there is no proof for anything at this point.
MK

Ok, so here's what I've got so far from this thread -

1. Observational evidence seems to support the hypothesis that there is an non-compassionate, selfish society, or group, operating globally, yet covertly within the framework of modern corporate/political society. The apparent agenda of this group appears to be beneficial only to small percentage of the global socioeconomic elite.

2. Whether or not the members of this group are genetically different from the members of the non-socioeconomic elite is impossible to tell. The actions of members of this group could possibly be explained by extreme human intelligence combined with constantly reinforced socio-pathic and psychotic tendencies. These compassionless actions could also be explained by a non-human or "Reptilian" race that is able to fool humans by shape-shifting abilities, superior technology, or supernatural control or possession from the lower fourth dimension. Granted, option #2 is a much tougher sell, and posting pictures of star trek masks probably don't help much.

3. Although evidence is scant and "unofficial", the following four points could still be theoretically possible...

a. Intelligent creatures we've never seen could be living somewhere below ground, or at least hidden somewhere where we can't see em, hollow earth or not.

b. Our most fearsome weapons of mass destruction might not seem so fearsome to a technologically advanced species.

c. Covert control of global events might simply be easier than overt control (humans tend to fight to the death for their "pride"), so the members of this group may choose to stay in the shadows and manipulate through "mind games".

d. Lack of Fossil evidence does not rule out "gummi" Reptiles, history book tampering, or possible undiscovered fossils from crafty Reptile burial rituals.



So, theoretically, this Reptile / Human interaction possibility still exists, and I believe it to be fun and informative to to at least continue to discuss rather than simply accept or deny quantifiable "evidence", of which we have none.

MK's null versus alternate hypotheses do not bother with debating the existence of the Reptilian race, but rather it's potential to have interacted with the Human race. This seems fair enough, for if you can establish some interaction, existence is correctly inferred, and at this point, the mere existence of a Reptile race is neither provable nor disprovable.

I would think compiling some kind of list from ancient texts or whatever detailing any recorded interactions with Reptilian giants, gods, dragons, vampires - basically shape changing, power hungry, snaky type creatures of myth. I don't really know my Annuki from my Nephilim, so I'll get to researching too, but I do know there is a whole lotta ancient Reptile / Snake / Dragon / Gargoyle / Vampire mythology that seems historically and culturally ever present. Fact? Fiction? Myth? Allegory? Dunno. Maybe it's time we found out.

Perhaps I'll throw that out as a starting point. Does anybody have a good list of Reptile / Dragon myths and the era and culture from which they stem? Crackpot or not, Icke might be a good resource for this issue at least. I find it interesting in itself that just about every culture has a Reptile/Dragon myth. I also find it interesting just how much modern entertainment media contains Reptile/Dragon/Alien content. I will either gain some understanding by discussing these ideas, or else I'll get a good movie script.


Finally, here's my question regarding the issue. If the controlling elite are human and subject to human length life spans, how are they able to pull off these global machinations that have been progressing for hundreds, if not thousands of years? What fuels their motivations if they know full well it will be their great-great-great grandson that will actually enjoy the fruits of their labor? The "Reptiles" apparently live a very long time, far longer than humans, according to ah, researchers.
So do it just because they're Elite, and thats what Elite do whether they like it or not?

Good times. Fun thread.

How do we know you're not a Reptilian--by the way you talk?

You know in some of the ancient Greek texts and i think one of the old Roman texts,which can be traced back before the Roman invasion of Europe,there were many maps of what was claimed to be hollow earth.It showed detailed depictions of the so called`underground world``and its only real source of natural light,our core,that stood right in the middle of hollow earth and acted like a sun and provided warmth etc.Like i said this is a myth.

Although there was not found any pictures of any beings that lived there.Buts its quite an amazing topic to read about.This may not relate much to this topic but it might give you an idea of how history can fit with speculations.

Originally posted by defrag99

How do we know you're not a Reptilian--by the way you talk?

I don't even know how to respond to this libelous accusation, because, I mean, you know, just because I'm obsessed with saurian bipeds, hidden history, esoteric knowledge, global domination, interplanetary slave trading, blood rituals, red raw meat and like, you know, just cause I never fit in with the other kids and I like to lounge on the sun warmed rocks by the... uh oh...

uh, gotta go.

i would just like to say that i agree with mkultra.all these "facts" we are being told could be nothing more than nonsense.we haven't conducted these experiments and investigations for ourselves.we are just swallowing the answers and results of these scientists that nobody has met.even if someone had some actual evidence or proof there still would be controversy.then you would listen to some scientist on what he thinks but you couldnt examine it for yourself.its just a big circle,you're right back where you started.the truth is we won't know anything till it shows up in our faces.

Bunkbuster, thank you for having a sense of humor.

Drew Da General -- Well, that's nice. Thanks for sharing your opinion.

Some of us have other opinions, based on documentation, the history of lies and the prevalence of photos showing aliens, ufos etc.

But, we're most concerned because it appears that the whole thrust of Leadership now is to annihilate humanity.

That's where it gets tricky.

You've never seen ANY physical evidence to substantiate it? You refuse to believe the US Government reports, documents and testimony?

By all means, what are these government reports and docs that support Earth dwelling intelligent reptoids? I'm very curious to read such, as I'll admit I'm unaware of such documents....

I looked in the Research Section of ATS, and it looks as if some of the Majestic12 documents are already here. Maybe MKULTRA, the ATS member, can direct you to the MKULTRA docs.

But the major archive, overseen by a PhD in conflict analysis, Dr. Mike Salla, is found at exopolitics.org

He's doing the work of sifting and sorting anecdotal and official data.

I looked in the Research Section of ATS, and it looks as if some of the Majestic12 documents are already here. Maybe MKULTRA, the ATS member, can direct you to the MKULTRA docs.

Most of the MK/ULTRA documents have been "declassified" and are available via the Freedom of Information Act. Of course, those that still exist. In 1973 the CIA allegedly destroyed a large portion of them. As far as I am aware, you will not be able to access the videographic documentation of the '___' trials (particularly those that went terribly wrong). Also there is a great deal of misinformation within these obtainable documents. Remember that Allen Dulles was Director of the CIA when the experiments were initiated (April 1953).

For example:



Notice that the above document was signed by Sidney Gottlieb.

MK

Best reptilian description:

REMEMBER: "Reptilian" is a holographic mindset imposed upon a physical--human in this case implying "mammalian" body--programmed only for survival in reptilian--predator--terms.

The most noble deed a Reptilian can do is to eliminate excessive predators and predation on a fixed-variable resource.

sometimes it seems to me the reptilian angle helps people with the question ,"what type of animal would; carry out a holocaust...take a baby from a womans womb, kill his pregnant wife..."

many things are done by people that we hope/think we are not capable of, so maybe the reptilian thing is in repsonse to that ?