9/11 Bombshell: Methodical Deception -- Rebekah Roth

Its all about the benjamins baby !

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

Because it did not look like a Masonic ring. Why would a guy who is not a Mason wear a Masonic ring? The only place claiming he is a Mason is the notoriously spurious freemasonrywatch.org where they even think the Queen and the Pope are Masons.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: six67seven
But we can't 100% confirm for all due to the lack of available sources. But thanks to readily available sources we have 100% confirmed it does NOT resemble the 1920 West Point class ring, as you suggested for some odd reason.

You find it odd that a West Point grad would have a West Point class ring?


Did you miss that question again? How about an answer?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: six67seven
I treat others as they do me, so we each can go about our ways with a question unanswered.

Which question would you like me to answer?

Dont hold your breath buddy!

Is that your typical MO? Petulant even after you insulted my memory and were shown otherwise?

I admitted that the ring in the photo does not resemble the one you linked, you on the other hand want to act like a child. Put your big person pants on and answer the question.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: six67seven
I dont have an MO.

The answer the question.

And no, I wont answer your frivalous question because you wouldnt post the pic that was easily located with a google search...and you had ample time because you kept replying to me over and over and chose not to post because you knew you were in the wrong.

Considering I was using Bing Images (you would have picked up on that if you clicked on the link) what I was getting was not the same as what you were getting.

I am not in any wrong, I simply posed a question about a ring that piqued my interest, and you responded - quite irresponsibly I might add - and now you're trying to save face by coming at me. But buddy...its too late. Im done with you!

It is irresponsible to say that a West Point grad would be wearing a class ring? It looked more like one of those than a Masonic ring. Additionally, I searched to see if the General was actually a Mason and the only sites that had him as one were all conspiracy related which I also indicated.

So again, why would a non-Mason wear a Masonic ring?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: six67seven
Oh no.... I'm sure hes going to chase you all night with QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED!!!!

RUN!!!

No, unlike you, I man up and admit my mistakes.

originally posted by: six67seven

originally posted by: eisegesis
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

So again, why would a non-Mason wear a Masonic ring?

That is obviously a Masonic ring. And he was/is a Mason.

The Lemnitzer papers span the period from Lemnitzer’s service in the Tenth Coastal Artillery unit at Fort Adams during the early 1920’s until his wife’s death in 1994. The collection is composed of eleven series: biographical materials, including magazine and newspaper articles, academic transcripts, honors, vitas, and oral history interviews; General Lemnitzer’s writings and speeches; the correspondence of General and Katherine Lemnitzer, both official and personal, including greeting cards; the activities of General and Katherine Lemnitzer, ranging from charitable activities, dinner and entertainment functions, army social functions, membership on advisory boards; Masonic and civic activities, as well as political activities and lobbying; photographs; printed materials; newspaper clippings; memorabilia; and personal papers, such as family financial, legal and medical records; subject files for miscellaneous materials and oversize materials. The eleven series occupy eighteen boxes.

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I found this nugget which confirms Lemnitzer being a Mason:

One member of the Fraternity, after noting that General MacArthur, a 33rd Degree Mason, had reopened Masonic Lodges in Japan, commented:
“Most of the Generals of the Occupation and many men of lesser rank who were in key positions were Masons. The Japanese have since concluded that Masonry had some connection with the success of the Occupation.”
Moreover, the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite pointed out that all except one successor to General MacArthur as Far East Commander were “all active Masons and members of the Scottish Rite.” Those officers were Generals Matthew Ridgeway, Mark Clark, John Hull and Lyman Lemnitzer.

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and you DID ask that question a few pages ago... guess I must've overlooked it.

Hope this answers your question as to why a West Point graduate would sport a Masonic ring!

(Hint - it's because he's a Mason - for the record) - yep, I know... shocking!

The Lemnitzer papers span the period from Lemnitzer’s service in the Tenth Coastal Artillery unit at Fort Adams during the early 1920’s until his wife’s death in 1994. The collection is composed of eleven series: biographical materials, including magazine and newspaper articles, academic transcripts, honors, vitas, and oral history interviews; General Lemnitzer’s writings and speeches; the correspondence of General and Katherine Lemnitzer, both official and personal, including greeting cards; the activities of General and Katherine Lemnitzer, ranging from charitable activities, dinner and entertainment functions, army social functions, membership on advisory boards; Masonic and civic activities, as well as political activities and lobbying; photographs; printed materials; newspaper clippings; memorabilia; and personal papers, such as family financial, legal and medical records; subject files for miscellaneous materials and oversize materials. The eleven series occupy eighteen boxes.

One member of the Fraternity, after noting that General MacArthur, a 33rd Degree Mason, had reopened Masonic Lodges in Japan, commented:
“Most of the Generals of the Occupation and many men of lesser rank who were in key positions were Masons. The Japanese have since concluded that Masonry had some connection with the success of the Occupation.”
Moreover, the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite pointed out that all except one successor to General MacArthur as Far East Commander were “all active Masons and members of the Scottish Rite.” Those officers were Generals Matthew Ridgeway, Mark Clark, John Hull and Lyman Lemnitzer.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Question. Why are the underlined notes included, appear as part of the official document and why is the originating # a 555 number? I think numbers starting in 555 are only used in the movies.

a reply to: FlySolo

That's a copy that was obtained from AT&T, and notes were added by investigators. As for the number, they've reserved 555-0100 to 0199 for fictional use. The rest of the numbers are available for use for active phone numbers. In this case, it was 0004, so it wasn't in the blocked off section of numbers.

You know people, this woman has really stirred the pot here at ATS.
And the more I've sat and just read this thread. I'm not so sure I
trust this Gal, Roth. I think truthers might do well not jump right on board
with her. She might be taking you all out to sea where a wolf pack is
waiting. Then she just jumps ship with a signal and it's fire torpedos.

Just a hunch.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I have repeatedly warned people about Rob Balsamo and 'Pilots For 9/11 Truth' because they are well-known for their deceptive practices.

I just need to address the members claiming there was no remote control flight technology in 2001.

It's been around since the Nazi era. It started with the Fritz X

And developed into the guided missile HS293


The Americans eventually developed the remotely piloted Ryan Firebee, and used it in Vietnam. THE TECHNOLOGY HAS HAD 50 YEARS TO DEVELOP!

a reply to: Ridhya

I just need to address the members claiming there was no remote control flight technology in 2001.

I said no such thing. I said that there was no way the 9/11 airliners could have been modified without attracting a lot of attention. To sum it up, none of the 9/11 airliners were modified.

a reply to: Ridhya

It was around long before the Nazi era. It was first used in the 1800s with balloons and was in use in WWI.

That doesn't mean that these aircraft were modified though by any stretch.

a reply to: skyeagle409
Didnt claim you did, was referring to a member who implied remote controlled planes were ridiculous.


a reply to: Zaphod58
I was just demonstrating the solid possibility. Interesting about the balloons though, did not know that. I only learned about "Hitler's creatures" this week and I found it astounding.

originally posted by: six67seven
If its kind of hard to (admit the ring did not resemble the one you said it resembled) prior to the posts, then why did you say....

Because it did not appear to have a Square and Compasses which, you know, would make it a Masonic ring.

originally posted by: six67seven
and you DID ask that question a few pages ago... guess I must've overlooked it.

The first time maybe, the next few times you admitted it was intentional. Stop back pedaling.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: six67seven
and you DID ask that question a few pages ago... guess I must've overlooked it.

The first time maybe, the next few times you admitted it was intentional. Stop back pedaling.

So now my acknowledgement isnt good enough. Lol

In conclusion:

1. The West Point class ring looks absolutely nothing like Lemnitzers ring he wears in the pic as you originally argued.

2. Two reliable sources provide evidence of Lemnitzer being a Mason - answering the question as to why a West Point graduate would wear a Masonic ring.

Theres no disputing those points.

originally posted by: six67seven
1. The West Point class ring looks absolutely nothing like Lemnitzers ring he wears in the pic as you originally argued.

Which I admitted.

2. Two reliable sources provide evidence of Lemnitzer being a Mason - answering the question as to why a West Point graduate would wear a Masonic ring.

Theres no disputing those points.

Which I also admitted that he was a Mason. The ring however, until we have a better view, does not show a Square and Compasses.

Getting back to one of Roth's points:

Roth states the sworn testimony of a woman from Otis, MA saying that both her and her neighbor saw a commercial plane flying at a very low altitude over their houses headed north around 8:30 AM on 9/11.

The Westover Air Force base lies directly 30 miles EAST of Otis, Massachusetts. This base has long been speculated to have been the true destination of some, if not all of the commercial airliners of 9/11 because it has the longest runways of any airforce base in the northeast.

I thought it was odd the woman would say north instead of east, but the whole premise of the secret landings is very interesting.

Anyone remember the Cleveland airport mystery? I still cannot figure out exactly what, but I've always had a strong feeling something really shady happened there on 9/11. Any thoughts?

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

People screwed up, like they did a lot that day. There was no mystery at Cleveland, just one of many things that were misreported that day.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

The ring however, until we have a better view, does not show a Square and Compasses.

Thats only your opinion. And because he is a Mason, and no one would ask why a Mason would wear a Masonic ring, making it moot at this point.

Not to mention two previous posters believe it looks like a Masonic ring. eisegesis and gentledissident

originally posted by: eisegesis
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

So again, why would a non-Mason wear a Masonic ring?

That is obviously a Masonic ring. And he was/is a Mason.

originally posted by: gentledissident
The Masonic ring derailment is interesting. I blew it up and laid vectors over it. It looks very much like a Masonic symbol.

originally posted by: six67seven
Thats only your opinion.point.

...

Not to mention two previous posters believe it looks like a Masonic ring.

And that is their opinion. If and when someone shows a clear Square and Compasses I will reasses my opinion.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: six67seven
Thats only your opinion.point.

...

Not to mention two previous posters believe it looks like a Masonic ring.

And that is their opinion. If and when someone shows a clear Square and Compasses I will reasses my opinion.

Oh, I dont care if you change your opinion because it doesn't matter, nor does it change the fact he's a Mason.

This whole debate only started with the ring, it ends with Lyman Lemnitzer being a Mason as I implied in my original post.

originally posted by: six67seven
Oh, I dont care if you change your opinion...

Really? I never would have guessed.