9/11 Conspiracy Theorists still subjected to ridicule

a reply to: skyeagle409

That won't work because it is clear that B-757 wreckage was recovered at the Shanksville crash site of United 93 and from the Pentagon regarding American 77.

Moving the goal post again?

There was no evidence to support those were the said planes and you know that. To me I believe it is bone yard junk.

a reply to: Informer1958

I figured you would not accept my challenge because over the years, when truthers were challenged with undeniable evidence, they tend to back down.

Now, you know why I do challenges in order to make a point.

It has been said that Thermite is suspected by many people who question the OS. Well, drug sniffing dogs be damned because thermite is literally Aluminum and Rust [iron oxide] and its pretty handy dandy, can be made into something nasty with the most basic materials. So.... It would essentially only take one person over the course of a few months or a year to plant that all over the place.

Besides that I don't get where he thinks he needs 10,000 odd people for a clandestine force to control or coerce these events into place. There are enough military operations around which have been covered up for the sake of national security that remained hidden for 5 decades. And there are plenty enough large scale events that were orchestrated by just a few people, who then use 'useful idiots' to carry most of it out.

What I read, quoted in the OP just sounds like grasping. I don't think anything Ive said here is irrational or impossible, but this gent is trying to claim as much.

a reply to: skyeagle409

I figured you would not accept my challenge because over the years, when truthers were challenged with undeniable evidence, they tend to back down.

Now, you know why I do challenges in order to make a point.

I wear my Truther badge of honor in support of all those that died on 911. It would be disrespectful to those who died on 911 if the truth does not come out. The real terrorist may never be held accountable for their actions, however they will be when they die.

The very hard fact is the OS is a lie and no one can dispute that.

No Truthers don't back down, and they will ignore "debunked videos" that have been tampered with. There have been so many threads about these video yet you ignore all the evidence.

There is no challenge here.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Who doesn't use their knowledge and experience to determine what is credible?

Truthers. Case in point; they claim that demo explosives were used to destroy WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7, yet they cannot provide the sound of demo explosions as those buildings are collapsing, which also explains why seismic monitors did not detect demo explosions at ground zero.

If they were that knowledgeable, why were they duped by this photo, which they claimed was evidence of molten steel?

So-called evidence of molten steel

Probably because so many eyewitnesses claimed there was molten steel for weeks after 9/11 and it was evident in some of the swiss-cheese steel beams that were actually observed before it was all shipped off.

And probably for the same reason you believe some guy name 'Ref' on a conspiracy forum actually received a 'press release' from former FDNY Chief Nigro in his email without any proof whatsoever -- because it fits the narrative you believe.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: Informer1958

I figured you would not accept my challenge because over the years, when truthers were challenged with undeniable evidence, they tend to back down.

Now, you know why I do challenges in order to make a point.

On that note, because the statement you posted allegedly from former FDNY Chief Nigro, prompted me to look at the origin of that so-called direct correspondence -- I actually believe more than ever that Larry Silverstein let it slip that WTC7 was demolished with explosives.

The source of that statement is so UNVERIFIABLE, it's laughable. And it makes me all the more curious about why 'Ref' might post such a thing without offering any proof whatsoever, and how it was seized on and plastered all over Truther and Debunker forums (and I even found it cited by some youtube 'debunking' videos, too).

That shady origin indicates, FOR ME -- given my own decades of experience -- that someone wanted to put an end to the claims that old Larry let the truth slip.

So, thanks again for that glimpse into the seedy world of disinformation.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Probably because so many eyewitnesses claimed there was molten steel for weeks after 9/11...

Explosives and thermite do not leave behind molten steel for hours, days weeks or even months. However, rusty iron store in close proximity of one another can generate temperatures high enough to start fires and not many people are aware of that fact. There was a lot of steel piled up at ground zero.

I might also add that fires that smolder for days is nothing new.

Burned buildings in Hinton could smolder for days

HINTON, W.Va. -- Hinton Fire Chief Ray Pivont says five apartment buildings destroyed by a fire could smolder for days.

...and it was evident in some of the swiss-cheese steel beams that were actually observed before it was all shipped off.

The swissed-cheese photos of steel that I saw indicates the steel in question was never in a molten state at ground zero, but were in fact, annealed by high temperatures generated by the fires.

I know that from experience because one of my jobs as an airframe technician was the annealing and heat-treating of aerospace metals.

a reply to: skyeagle409

I might also add that fires that smolder for days is nothing new.

Um no, the hard cold fact is the WTC fires smolder for over two months, not few days.

WTC fires that burned for 100 days

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Informer1958

Um no, the hard cold fact is the WTC fires smolder for over two months, not few days.

We can rule out explosives and thermite because they do not leave behind pools of molten steel for hours, much less days and months.

However, rusty iron and steel can generate high temperatures because rust generates heat.

a reply to: skyeagle409

We can rule out explosives and thermite because they do not leave behind pools of molten steel for hours, much less days and months.

You never bothered reading any of my posts.

We can rule explosions because ALL the evidence support it. I guess all the firemen are lairs to who witness pools of molten steel deep in the WTC debris. The fact is it was reported on mainstream media and that the firemen were complaining the bottoms of their boots were melting.

Firemen reported that the molten steel ran like a river under the WTC. Are you going to call them all lairs to?

a reply to: skyeagle409

Molten Metal

Workers Reported Molten Metal in Ground Zero Rubble

Corroborating Reports

There are reports of molten steel beyond those cited by American Free Press. Most of these have come to light as a result of a research paper by Professor Steven E Jones, which has stimulated interest in the subject of molten steel at Ground Zero. *

A report by Waste Age describes New York Sanitation Department workers moving "everything from molten steel beams to human remains." 2

A report on the Government Computer News website quotes Greg Fuchek, vice president of sales for LinksPoint Inc. as stating:

In the first few weeks, sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel 3
A Messenger-Inquirer report recounts the experiences of Bronx firefighter "Toolie" O'Toole, who stated that some of the beams lifted from deep within the catacombs of Ground Zero by cranes were "dripping from the molten steel." 4

A transcription of an audio interview of Ground Zero chaplain Herb Trimpe contains the following passage:

When I was there, of course, the remnants of the towers were still standing. It looked like an enormous junkyard. A scrap metal yard, very similar to that. Except this was still burning. There was still fire. On the cold days, even in January, there was a noticeable difference between the temperature in the middle of the site than there was when you walked two blocks over on Broadway. You could actually feel the heat.

It took me a long time to realize it and I found myself actually one day wanting to get back. Why? Because I felt more comfortable. I realized it was actually warmer on site. The fires burned, up to 2,000 degrees, underground for quite a while before they actually got down to those areas and they cooled off.

I talked to many contractors and they said they actually saw molten metal trapped, beams had just totally had been melted because of the heat. So this was the kind of heat that was going on when those airplanes hit the upper floors. It was just demolishing heat. 5
A report in the Johns Hopkins Public Health Magazine about recovery work in late October quotes Alison Geyh, Ph.D., as stating:

Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel. 6
A publication by the National Environmental Health Association quotes Ron Burger, a public health advisor at the National Center for Environmental Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who arrived at Ground Zero on the evening of September 12th. Burger stated:

Feeling the heat, seeing the molten steel, the layers upon layers of ash, like lava, it reminded me of Mt. St. Helen’s and the thousands who fled that disaster. 7
An article in The Newsletter of the Structural Engineers Association of Utah describing a speaking appearance by Leslie Robertson (structural engineer responsible for the design of the World Trade Center) contains this passage:

As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running. 8
A member of the New York Air National Guard's 109th Air Wing was at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6. He kept a journal on which an article containing the following passage is based.

Smoke constantly poured from the peaks. One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers' remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots.

911research.wtc7.net...

a reply to: Informer1958

I'm curious. Do you consider public libraries to be disinformation sites? Because that is what 911myths.com is at its heart. A collection of information and resources.

a reply to: Informer1958

No, they reported molten metals. Aluminum, copper, zinc, any one of a half dozen metals that were used in the Towers, Those comprised the pools, puddles and rivers of metals that were observed.

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

I'm curious. Do you consider public libraries to be disinformation sites? Because that is what 911myths.com is at its heart. A collection of information and resources.

Your analogy of comparing public libraries to 911 Myths is stupid to say the lease.
You cannot compare a Shills websites of disinformation to all the books in a public library. Really stupid.

a reply to: Informer1958

Let's take another example from your link.

Feeling the heat, seeing the molten steel, the layers upon layers of ash,

How did he know the molten metal was not aluminum considering that there was nothing at ground zero capable of generated pools of molten steel because recorded temperatures were far too low to melt steel, but far above the melting point of aluminum, which was in abundance in the facades of WTC1 and WTC2 and the aluminum airframes of United 175 and American 11.

As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running.

Explosives and thermite do not leave behind pools of molten metal, but hot steel will continue to undergo exothermic oxidation reactions, which will increase temperature over a long period of time and needless to say, there was a lot of steel buried in the rubble at ground zero.

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

No, they reported molten metals. Aluminum, copper, zinc, any one of a half dozen metals that were used in the Towers, Those comprised the pools, puddles and rivers of metals that were observed.

And you went to the WTC debris field with all your scientist and all your testing equipment and crawled down in the debris field and did you post your so call credible findings in a Scientific Journal?

Thanks for your "opinion".

a reply to: Informer1958

You cannot compare a Shills websites of disinformation to all the books in a public library. Really stupid.

Reports of pools of molten steel are inaccurate.

In addition, it has been determined that the molten metal flow from the northeast corner of WTC2 was aluminum, not steel. That corner of WTC2 is where much of the aluminum airframe of United 175 came to rest.

a reply to: skyeagle409

How did he know the molten metal was not aluminum considering that there was nothing at ground zero capable of generated pools of molten steel because recorded temperatures were far too low to melt steel, but far above the melting point of aluminum, which was in abundance in the facades of WTC1 and WTC2 and the aluminum airframes of United 175 and American 11.

That is your "opinion"

Do you have scientific proof it was nothing but aluminum? I didn't think so.

a reply to: Informer1958

Firemen reported that the molten steel ran like a river under the WTC. Are you going to call them all lairs to?

Let's just say their comments about molten steel are inaccurate.

a reply to: skyeagle409

Reports of pools of molten steel are inaccurate.

In addition, it has been determined that the molten metal flow from the northeast corner of WTC2 was aluminum, not steel. That corner of WTC2 is where much of the aluminum airframe of United 175 came to rest.

False, do you have evidence beside your "opinions" that you want to fit your OS so desperately.