Muslim Refugees Chant “Allahu Akbar,” “F*** You,” Attack Citizens and Throw Feces

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Bluesma

I never said it wasn't happening. I said the videos in the OP are a hoax because they were originally filmed in 2010 and are being re-purposed to incite Islamophobia among Europeans. Something you seem to be adverse from addressing.

I addressed it immediately underneath your post. Perhaps you missed it. Copy and paste then-

The videos in the op inspired a discussion on a topic. They are not central to my opinion nor view on it.
I didn't even watch them, I now realize why someone replied to me with some reference to Infowars, which confused me.

The situation happening over here is not a hoax though, so putting discussion about it in the hoax bin would seem very suspicious to me. But that is just my opinion.

a reply to: Bluesma

So then don't pretend like you don't know what I'm talking about.

originally posted by: Bluesma

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Bluesma

I never said it wasn't happening. I said the videos in the OP are a hoax because they were originally filmed in 2010 and are being re-purposed to incite Islamophobia among Europeans. Something you seem to be adverse from addressing.

I addressed it immediately underneath your post. Perhaps you missed it. Copy and paste then-

The videos in the op inspired a discussion on a topic. They are not central to my opinion nor view on it.
I didn't even watch them, I now realize why someone replied to me with some reference to Infowars, which confused me.

The situation happening over here is not a hoax though, so putting discussion about it in the hoax bin would seem very suspicious to me. But that is just my opinion.

What a disgusting cop out. You post old videos of a very very touchy and divisive subject?? Are crazy?

I hope you are proud of yourself. Shame on you.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Bluesma

So then don't pretend like you don't know what I'm talking about.

I am not. You are grasping onto a detail that has been covered and debunked, as an excuse to place an otherwise valid discussion in the "Hoax" catagory.

a reply to: Bluesma

Like I said, you can continue to have this discussion if the thread is in the Hoax bin. It's not like that forum is closed to new posts or anything. Or do you cherish being able to star people during a discussion?

The videos in the op inspired a discussion on a topic. They are not central to my opinion nor view on it.
I didn't even watch them, I now realize why someone replied to me with some reference to Infowars, which confused me.

The situation happening over here is not a hoax though, so putting discussion about it in the hoax bin would seem very suspicious to me. But that is just my opinion.

What a disgusting cop out. You post old videos of a very very touchy and divisive subject?? Are crazy?

I hope you are proud of yourself. Shame on you.

Apparently you are the one with some mental problems. You are acting irrational - please look again at the OP and notice I did not post it.

Then return here and read again my above lines, which specify that I did not watch the videos in the first place, and my participation in this thread was not about them.
No shame on me. I stand firm behind my opinions and choices.

originally posted by: Bluesma

The videos in the op inspired a discussion on a topic. They are not central to my opinion nor view on it.
I didn't even watch them, I now realize why someone replied to me with some reference to Infowars, which confused me.

The situation happening over here is not a hoax though, so putting discussion about it in the hoax bin would seem very suspicious to me. But that is just my opinion.

What a disgusting cop out. You post old videos of a very very touchy and divisive subject?? Are crazy?

I hope you are proud of yourself. Shame on you.

Apparently you are the one with some mental problems. You are acting irrational - please look again at the OP and notice I did not post it.

Then return here and read again my above lines, which specify that I did not watch the videos in the first place, and my participation in this thread was not about them.
No shame on me. I stand firm behind my opinions and choices.

OK, i didnt check to se if you posted it, sorry....but to defend it by saying iots startign a discussion is laughable. You want to rail against mulsims, like many here do, and will use any underhand and dirty trick to do so..Im getting off ATS for a while...i cant handle any more muslim hate

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Bluesma

Like I said, you can continue to have this discussion if the thread is in the Hoax bin. It's not like that forum is closed to new posts or anything. Or do you cherish being able to star people during a discussion?

You know quite well that once something is in the Hoax bin, it is assumed that the discussion is about a confirmed hoax.
I never go into or read anything in the hoax bin for that reason.

That would be misleading in this case - giving the impression to others that the topic of violence and conflict with the latest surge of refugees is NOT actually happening... when it IS.

That matters to me because many of the readers on this site are not here, they are in far away countries, and not entirely sure what is actually going on.

The xenophobia is strong in this thread...goooood embrace the dark side of the force.

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

OK, i didnt check to se if you posted it, sorry....but to defend it by saying iots startign a discussion is laughable. You want to rail against mulsims, like many here do, and will use any underhand and dirty trick to do so..Im getting off ATS for a while...i cant handle any more muslim hate

I'm going to be understanding here - I see you are the same person who feels very defensive because of your own origins and past, and perhaps not totally following who said what in this. That is comprehensible.

LIke I explained before to you - I do not hate Muslims. I have many muslim friends, and they are just as concerned about the problem we have in France as I am. It is a very specific bunch of problems that not all other countries have to grapple with.

I also have a certain amount of understanding for the disrest and anger these refugees feel, that does not mean that I or anyone else should close our eyes, ears and mouths to the acts they are committing.

The Germans who became Nazi's fell under the promises and spell of Hitler because they were a country that was really suffering in crisis. The people were hungry and scared and easy to manipulate.
Does that mean we should have let them do as they wish, not speak of it, not acknowledge it, and certainly not take any action against it?

That example is only meant to show that understanding and even compassion can exist, exactly alongside a reasonable and oppositional action.

originally posted by: Harvin
a reply to: Krazysh0t

As far as the "The Middle East is IN Asian buddy. " comment - I was more specific in the other post but you are avoiding that? Next you will be telling me about the American Indians.

Discussing this with you is getting a little annoying. The fact is that crime rates do go up and this is going to be a huge problem down the road over there.

The statistics all bear that out.

Here is a quick link from a search that took 2 seconds:

LINK

Yes. And 1,472% increase in RAPE. Krazyshot, did you read that? 1,472% increase. Sweden used to be known for no rapes at all, now they're #1 in on the continent.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Harvin

Your source is a wikipedia link that cites a study that ended in 2001? That's not exactly relevant.

Discussing this is with me is annoying you? Oh well. This whole topic annoys me. Too much Islamophobia and immigrantphobia mixed in with these discussions.

I can never understand why people are so damn mean to people fleeing devastating conditions in their homelands...

Because the Ah Ha! moment came when we realized that they are almost ALL men. That was my ah ha moment. Young, able bodied men. Healthy, strong and full of islamic testosterone. The second AH ha moment was watching those savages hive like bees in Paris and riot. We're not talking about letting in well behaved and western "groomed" islamists. We're talking about cutting Syria out of the map and dropping in smack dab in the middle of Europe with all their social problems.

Sunni and Shia factions mixed in the group from S. Africa and ME will continue their battles on Europe's doorstep. For those that think our humanitarian efforts will be rewarded with a productive economic class of citizens, is in for a rude awakening. No good deed goes unpunished.

a reply to: FlySolo

From Wiki.

Sweden[edit]
Main article: Rape in Sweden
A frequently cited source when comparing Swedish rape statistics internationally is the regularly published report by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), based on official statistics provided by each member state.[note 1] In 2012, Sweden had 66 cases of reported rapes per 100,000 population, according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå).[230] This was unequivocally the biggest number reported to the UNODC in 2012.[231] However, widely differing legal systems, offence definitions, terminological variations, recording practices and statistical conventions makes any cross-national comparison on rape statistics difficult,[232][233][234][235] which is why the UNODC itself caution against using their figures.[231] It should also be noted that many countries do not report any rape statistics at all to the UNODC,[236] and some report very low numbers, despite studies that indicate otherwise.[237][238]

The Swedish police record each instance of sexual violence in every case separately, leading to an inflated number of cases compared to other countries.[232][235][239] Sweden also has a comparatively wide definition of rape.[232][233][234] This means that more sexual crimes are registered as rape than in most other countries.[233] For example, in 2005 Sweden reformed its sex crime legislation and made the legal definition of rape much wider,[232][240][241][242] which led to a marked increase in reports.[243][244] Additionally, the Swedish police have improved the handling of rape cases, in an effort to decrease the number of unreported cases.[232][244][245][246] For this reason, large-scale victimisation surveys have been presented by criminologists as a more reliable indicator of rape prevalence.[232][233][234] An EU-wide survey on sexual violence against women, published the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA) in 2014, placed Sweden below Denmark and Finland,[247] and a previous assessment by Brå have placed Sweden at an average level among European nations.[233]

According to the FRA study there's a strong correlation between higher levels of gender equality and disclosure of sexual violence.[247] This, and a greater willingness among Swedish women to report rape in relationships,[248] may also explain the relatively high rates of reported rape in Sweden, which has a long-standing tradition of gender equality policy and legislation, as well as an established women's movement,[234] and has been ranked as the number one country in sex equality.[235][249]


According to this you are wrong.

en.wikipedia.org...

But continue join the dark side of the force and embrace xenophobia feeell it's power.

originally posted by: FlySolo

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Harvin

Your source is a wikipedia link that cites a study that ended in 2001? That's not exactly relevant.

Discussing this is with me is annoying you? Oh well. This whole topic annoys me. Too much Islamophobia and immigrantphobia mixed in with these discussions.

I can never understand why people are so damn mean to people fleeing devastating conditions in their homelands...

Because the Ah Ha! moment came when we realized that they are almost ALL men. That was my ah ha moment. Young, able bodied men. Healthy, strong and full of islamic testosterone. The second AH ha moment was watching those savages hive like bees in Paris and riot. We're not talking about letting in well behaved and western "groomed" islamists. We're talking about cutting Syria out of the map and dropping in smack dab in the middle of Europe with all their social problems.

Your xenophobia is showing.

Sunni and Shia factions mixed in the group from S. Africa and ME will continue their battles on Europe's doorstep. For those that think our humanitarian efforts will be rewarded with a productive economic class of citizens, is in for a rude awakening. No good deed goes unpunished.

Muslims get along just fine in the States, so I'm going to disagree with you.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
8 pages now and STILL not in the Hoax bin? Guys the videos in the OP's article are OLD! As in 5 or so years old. Those videos have NOTHING to do with what is currently going on in Europe.


Ugh... Anything to inspire fear in the populace... Gotta keep that Muslim hate train going...

can you show a date from five years ago?

well until you can show a video of a date from 5 years ago, you can't prove their that old. on YouTube it give on the first . a publish date of 5 sept 2015. video gives a publish of 7 sept 2015,
then in the description it says the original came from liveleak, which gives the publish date as 4 sept 2015.

Liveleak Muslims chant their love and gratitude to their Hungarian benefactors Read more at www.liveleak.com....

the second video gives a publish on youtube of 7 sept 2015, no source.

the third video give a publish date on you tube of 25 aug 2015, here is the source, although there is no video that is 4 minutes, there are serveal that show the same and i belive that they were edited togather. MILANO, PROTESTE DEI MIGRANTI

fourth video, pulled due to copyright.

the last video, is just a guy blowing smoke. not credible as far as i'm concerned.

but as far as your claim of 5 years, i don't think so and think i've shown it to be wrong.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

This thread debunked the article in the OP. Though it was closed because it was a duplicate thread.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: boymonkey74
The xenophobia is strong in this thread...goooood embrace the dark side of the force.

It s only xenophobia when imagined and not true. but apparently there is truth to it this time.

a reply to: boymonkey74



Another reason why rape appears high in Sweden is that their culture does not shame the people who have been raped thus more women come forward.

So was there any Guano flung then?
Where they chanting **** you and all that?

Or is this just more BS.....


Need I ask.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t


Muslims get along just fine in the States, so I'm going to disagree with you.

The environment in Europe is very different from the US.
There is a different history, and a different culture.

-The numbers of them are lower in the US, you do not have the same effect of them massing together.

-They do not come here to be part of the American Dream- of being able to get ahead based solely on individual merit and hard work. (not that I think that is a realistic promise, but it is still the myth that is spread far and wide). This place attracts people with a different motivation.

-The police are not aggressive, especially in the face of Arabs. They have specific orders not to respond to the behaviors of Arabs, to avoid social disruption and destruction.
It is also linked to a largely unspoken fear of reliving their mistakes of the second world war and collaborating with the Nazi's. They are so afraid of being seen as racist, they are going too far the other way. This has a wide variety of effects that are damaging even to the peaceful muslim inhabitants here.

For a while I wondered why so little of what happens in terms of violence from the arab communities is actually exposed by the press, but I learned with time that there is a certain amount of shame by both the regular citizens as well as authorities, about just how bad the situation has escaped them. Somewhat like parents who don't tell anyone their kids are being tyrants at home.... same syndrome.

-The social security offered to immigrants is much more inclusive than what one finds in the US. Believe me, I live here, I have typical american ethics- I believe in hard work...it is part of my sense of self esteem. But everything in this system seems to be set to actually incite and push people to not do so. Without a strong ingrained work ethic, a person falls rather quickly to this pull.
It works in the french culture because of other aspects of their culture which counter that, but that the muslim culture does not have.

We have a large growing fraction of second and third generation immigrants, somewhat confused and troubled about their identity, who are finding what they feel is their "roots" in being recruited by extremists. This is a danger for the new muslims coming in that will be naturally drawn to joining the muslim communities already existing. They are vulnerable too, they feel uprooted and powerless. The recruiters would be stupid not to profit from this wave.

There's a lot about the situation in Europe that is different from that of the US, so I don't think that is an effective way of reasoning.