Should UK accept thousands of refugees because 423,000 people signed a Petition?

originally posted by: biggilo
a reply to: TrueBrit

Bunkum. You confuse income and jobs with politics

You appear to be confused. Those things are not independent of one another. The issues pertaining to income and jobs are directly dependent on political stability, stemming from economic policy which favours job creation, and proper wages for working people, rather than allowing for vast waste, massive overspend when compared with services and goods rendered to government by their suppliers, and backhanders right left and centre to allow it all to happen. Once again, this nation would have enough free capital to achieve unimaginable things on behalf of the population, and indeed any immigrants to that population from abroad, if our economic policy was tuned to totally destroy top level fraud, and turn its every resource to the tasks before us as a nation, rather than to skim as much as possible away from the taxpayer, and toward innumerable off shore accounts, held by private companies and organisations, most of which are managed by persons with political connections in Whitehall or Parliament, which is what happens at the moment.

The matters are not independent of one another, but intrinsically linked.

being left or right wing has nothing to do with income, lots of factory workers etc are right wing. Also, Union members? Have you studied history? the unions behaved appallingly during WW2.

That is somewhat of a generalisation. Unions may have done all sorts of things, but I will tell you this. My grandfathers were both unionised men, and yet they both went off to war knowing exactly what needed to be done, and on whose behalf it needed doing. They neither supported the behaviour of their unions, nor shared their attitude to the situation in continental Europe. Again, the vast majority of folk who actually crossed the channel to battle the arch swine in Europe were blue collar, working stiffs, many of whom went on to campaign for the creation of a welfare state to improve the lives of the destitute, and promote equality within the nation, after the end of the war. They were, in that regard, not rare in the least, as many who returned from the Second World War did precisely the same.

I am not here to educate you people, you are the second person who has addressed me on this thread without adequate knowledge or the proper facts. But you say I am the one 'lobotomised with a half brick' whatever that is supposed to mean (you know what a lobotomy is?)

I did not say that you have been lobotomised with a half brick. I said that one would have to be, to remain unaware of the reasons for the state of the country, its finances, and so on as they stand today, and that those reasons have nothing to do with drains on resources, jobs, or incomes, resulting from either immigration, or the fulfillment of any of our national, or international responsibilities. For the record, a lobotomy is where the connections from and to the pre-frontal cortex are severed or abraded away. In the case of the operation being performed with a half brick, this tends to result in massive damage to the skull, and surrounding brain tissue, and always ends in either failure of normal neurological operation resulting in symptoms of brain damage, or simple death.

And yes, I put it that way, because I believe the only way for someone who has access to the internet and any interest in politics, and the way they affect ones nation, not to mention the geopolitical process and ITS effects on national affairs, to have misunderstood things so utterly, is if they have previously, and unpleasantly encountered a small, but dense lump of building material, involving some sort of cranial damage, and a severance of the vital connections linking one part of their brain, to the other.

The only other explanation for a failure to appreciate the nuances involved in this situation, is a simple lack of desire to properly understand any of it, which I can totally empathise with. I have very little patience for the way of things, but it is necessary to understand these things and the way they connect to one another, and sometimes the very FACT that they do, in order to have a rounded, and complete understanding of the situation at hand. If one does not wish to have such an understanding, that is ones right, but it does somewhat invalidate ones argument if one refuses to engage with the whole of the truth pertaining thereto.

a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist I know I have seen it all in the newspapers today. It is really frightening. I personally think our borders should be manned properly by the army. God knows how many people have arrived illegally and then we have people like ManFromEurope above talking as a German resident asking why the UK don't want to house these people. He needs to open his eyes and ears. What is wrong with people. This has nothing to do with being racist and quite frankly I'm getting to the point where I don't mind being accused of being racist if it keeps my child and my family and friends safe.

We on the one hand are being told to be constantly vigilent and then on the other hand are letting whoever into our country with no idea who or what they are or what their intentions are. It is like me paying to have a burglar alarm and then leaving my back door wide open. I just don't get it. I really don't get it. Everyone I speak to, and I mean everyone, not just white people! but people of every colour and culture, say the same and then we have the leader of the Green Party and all the liberals/left thinking saying we should be letting in around 250,000. Couldn't make it up. Wonder what they will say if someone like the Queen is murdered. If that were to happen I would be petrified because that's when you will see the true British rise and the people who support ISIS.

Back in February 2015 ISIS announced that it would 'flood Europe with refugee's' seems to me they are having a damn good go at keeping their word, as other posters have stated, seems to be a lot of military age males flooding it.

a reply to: TrueBrit You are the type of person who likes to use academic type writing to look like you know what you are talking about. I just switch off when I read such articles. You could have summed up what you had to say in two sentences. You actually don't really make any points, you just appear to, big difference. Someone who really knows how to put points across does it in such a way that people aren't confused at what their point is supposed to be, in my lowly opinion!!

a reply to: anxiouswens

So, to be clear, because I am capable of using words with more than one or two syllables, you believe it is appropriate to ignore my comments and sentiments?

That explains an awful lot.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Boeing777

Only 3% of the UK is developed.

The rest is empty space.


I say this not just to highlight how much we can afford to help refugees...

But also our own here at home who are homeless while 97% of the country is unused shrubbery.

Developing even 5% more (still less than 10% overall) would fix the UK and be one of the greatest economic boosts we could use to our advantage.


That's still leave 92% untouched so the antiquated can still look at fields on the train and motorways.

I think you've got that wrong. how can only 3% of the UK be developed when we have over 60 Million living on this small Island??

Its not about taking some genuine people, its about not vetting these folk and then not being allowed to send them back when they prove to be trouble. What I saw was plenty of healthy people wearing expensive clothing and navigating using GPS smart phones, this does not say war zone people who are desperate for a new life.

I'd be willing to say 90% plus will be economic migrants and how amazing that the black market sale of false Syrian passports is at an all time high. I also find it stunning we can offer to take these people as social housing stocks are non existent but amazingly these folks will be placed in accommodation and given permanent homes long before people like my family who have been waiting for 15yrs to get a council flat. I watched as brand new housing just meters away from us was given exclusively to Muslim families that were new to the country.

Why, because they had numerous children (and expanding as I type), and how many of the 12 families work...1, he's a mini cab driver who I'll bet is illegal.

There are people of all colours and religions in the country that were born here and they are going to the back of the queue to help these people. And look at the utter mess they made wherever they went in Hungary, food refused, bottles emptied and simply thrown on the floor while many spat on the ground.

And as said, when we find out that they are not here to assimilate we get told we cannot send them home because its too dangerous.

Utterly stupid and I feel sorry for Germany, the poor people in that country may be being kind to the new people but give it a year and they will see the same issues Sweden, the UK and pretty much any European country is having to put up with but for them it will be worse as Merkel has told them they will take unlimited numbers.

Its already going wrong with poor people being thrown out of their life long housing to make way for new apartments for these people. You DO NOT step on your own people, but she has and will do anything for these people.

a reply to: anxiouswens

Unfortunately my post was number friggin 20 again which means it will get overlooked!! I hate number friggin 20!

But yes I definately agree with you.. we are letting ourselves in for a major shock if this report is correct...

Our Towns and Cities will be flooded... will eventually turn into another place like the one they are fleeing.

a reply to: TrueBrit Well done. See you are learning. You got straight to the point in two sentences. Well done

a reply to: anxiouswens

Yes I did, but that is because the subject matter to which I was directly relating my comments in my last post, is not of a complex enough and nuanced nature to require more than that. The other posts I have made in this thread address much weightier issues, and have a detail level commensurate with the complexities involved with those issues.

a reply to: anxiouswens

Yes, there are nazis around. Many more people are helping the refugees, so we have to live with the misdeeds of the stupid while doing good anyway. At least they didn't seriously injure anyone, yet. Well, it's something we Germans won't overcome in the eyes of the world so fast, I guess.

Europe is a give/take-community. Everyone has to take part in this, in good times and in bad times.

1. He did? Well, if the POTUS advise you to not leave, how does this not sound like "SIT!" to a dog?
2. What does being on an island have to do with the power to help others?

a reply to: Sublimecraft

i have wondered the same thing myself...how come it seem that all of the supposed refugees are migrating to predominately white countries?? not trying to bring race into this but it sure seems that just about every country that has a immigrant problem is a mostly white country

....to long comments around here. even all is simple.
to all of You from countries the migrants coming to...

blame Your self for supporting your gov to bomb other countries.
"they" with Your unknown support still keep F*****NG those countries not just by bombs...

the normal people do not like to grow kids in bombed country... so they run... what options they have? Europe
so they are coming cos they think that them and them kids can survive here...

why is every one angry here cos people from mid east are coming? if i born there and someone start bombing my place i will run to...

so, all those in power in rich European countries, who start bombing those places to help those places ... uhhh... then welcome those who running from there to save lives... HELP THEM. YOU DID F$$K THEM PLACE TO LIVE, SO HELP THEM NOW!

or? am i missing something here?


If ISIS is to blame, then why no one publicly track where is the money an weapons coming from... who and why created them... all have nothing to do with any religion. that is just story for stupid and brainwashed TV eaters xx sad

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: anxiouswens


Our Towns and Cities will be flooded... will eventually turn into another place like the one they are fleeing.

Yes...i can really see English cities and town turning in to wartorn, demolished, dead Syrian and Iraqi town

Spot on mate.

/sarc

a reply to: ManFromEurope

Just to be clear I wasn't inferring Nazis. I did mean right wing. I get sick of hearing about the Germans and the Second World, as much as you do I am sure, I'm not small minded enough to think that German people today are responsible for the sins of their ancestors, nor do I believe they have those same beliefs. Times move on. I am also very uncomfortable when I see on various forums muslims being referred to as "rats", "vermin". It seems to be happening more and more and I think that is really dangerous afterall that is how Hitler got into the mind set of the German people, little by little, until they eventually believed it. So just to be clear I don't mean any disrespect to you as a German! I just don't understand the stance of the Minister's of Germany. Intentionally, or not, they are actually encouraging migrants to make this dangerous journey. There are many countries between Greece and Italy who don't agree with Germany's stance and yet are having to deal with the effects of that policy. Does it not frighten you that thousands are entering your country unvetted. Even mainstream news are saying only about 10% are Syrian refugees. So who are the other migrants, are they economic or are they here to cause harm (ISIS sympathisers). I'm just really curious to get into the mind set of the German people, does it not worry them? Besides ISIS sympathisers some could be criminals.

As far as Obama advising us not to leave the EU I didn't say we had listened did I? In fact, quite the opposite, in the same way we don't like being dictated to by German Ministers we also don't like to be dictated to by Obama. The British people, who want to leave the EU, just want their sovereignity back. They want to be able to make their own laws, be able to throw hate preachers etc out without being bound by European Courts. We also want free trade with the rest of the world and not just the EU. Norway etc are not part of the EU but still trade freely etc. We will only know whether the British people want to leave or not once we have the referendum. If we do end up leaving it won't be on the advise of any other country but it will be the British people putting their wishes forward. I don't see why it has to be like the end of marriage. For instance, as I said, we didn't sign up to open borders policy and yet all the European countries who did seem to think we have open borders. We don't. Just as your Country wants to take in migrants coming to Europe, we would like to take them from refugee camps. Only time will tell which Country has got it right. I am sure the residents of Germany wouldn't like to be dictated to by us, i.e. telling your country that you must stop taking migrants in. In the same way Germany shouldn't be able to dictate to our country. Hungary don't want to take the immigrants in, as well as other countries and that is their right!

I think the fact we are a small island is relevant as to how many we take in. Germany is huge compared to us. Our motorways, housing, schools everything is already buckling at the seams and British people are quite right to be worried. It also seem morally wrong that we have people in this country who have been on waiting lists for 15 years for housing and that someone can come into the country and be handed a house. We have people dying because we can't afford to give them treatments that could cure them. We keep being told how well our economy is doing but it certainly isn't being passed down to the average British person. Our Police have been cut, our armed forces, NHS, GP's, dentists, schools everything have been cut under the austerity program. The only people who are seeing the success of the economy are the rich and the bankers!

a reply to: 3danimator2014

I meant in 'years to come', towns and cities could well be funked up with many different factions of 'Islam' and with that comes 'fighting' and 'wars',

a reply to: TrueBrit

I have looked at your posts and agree/disagree with various points I like to sit on the fence as you get a nice clear view of the BS on both sides,if we really wanted to we could look back at the British Empire as it covered most of the globe and therefore could be blamed for a vast majority of problems around the world now is that my fault my childrens fault my grand children's fault NO!

Your grandfather's fought in the war so did mine ISIS should be dealt with, the people should fight to defend what is theirs like our grandfathers they can be given help if they really wanted to do so.

Like I said in an earlier post were do we draw a line on who & how many we take in , it's also a bit of a joke when politicians, celebrities and members of the public say they will take in refugees when they have IGNORED their own sleeping rough !

Yes money could definitely be better spent and as I said before the UK does more than its fair share on foreign aid.

Situations like this always make me laugh, we conspiracy site members claiming the military has tech 50 years in advance of what we see/know about yet a bunch of AMATEUR soilders are getting more & more control over the middle East.

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: TrueBrit

I have looked at your posts and agree/disagree with various points I like to sit on the fence as you get a nice clear view of the BS on both sides,if we really wanted to we could look back at the British Empire as it covered most of the globe and therefore could be blamed for a vast majority of problems around the world now is that my fault my childrens fault my grand children's fault NO!

Your grandfather's fought in the war so did mine ISIS should be dealt with, the people should fight to defend what is theirs like our grandfathers they can be given help if they really wanted to do so.

Like I said in an earlier post were do we draw a line on who & how many we take in , it's also a bit of a joke when politicians, celebrities and members of the public say they will take in refugees when they have IGNORED their own sleeping rough !

Yes money could definitely be better spent and as I said before the UK does more than its fair share on foreign aid.

Situations like this always make me laugh, we conspiracy site members claiming the military has tech 50 years in advance of what we see/know about yet a bunch of AMATEUR soilders are getting more & more control over the middle East.

We shoudl Chemtrail ISIS...that will learn em

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Boeing777

Only 3% of the UK is developed.

The rest is empty space.


I say this not just to highlight how much we can afford to help refugees...

But also our own here at home who are homeless while 97% of the country is unused shrubbery.

Developing even 5% more (still less than 10% overall) would fix the UK and be one of the greatest economic boosts we could use to our advantage.


That's still leave 92% untouched so the antiquated can still look at fields on the train and motorways.

I think you've got that wrong. how can only 3% of the UK be developed when we have over 60 Million living on this small Island??

all you want.
www.bbc.co.uk...
Do some fact checking before you assume people have things wrong.

"In England, "78.6% of urban areas is designated as natural rather than built". Since urban only covers a tenth of the country, this means that the proportion of England's landscape which is built on is…
… 2.27%.
Yes. According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural"

Further more around 80% of the 60million population live in the major cities of the UK.
Which account for a tiny minority of the overal landscape.







25% of the English population lives in Manchester, London, Birmingham and Liverpool.

That's just 4 cities in the whole country that house a quarter of the population.



So,

Regardless of how much land we have the question is do English people want mass immigration especially when these immigrants have large families and two of our major cities are over 50% immigrant already.

Has anyone even thought to ask the majority if they want to integrate or are they happy with the way things are already. Its been proposed that English people will be out bred and in the minority by 2050.

Never mind what land is developed and what is not, isn't it about time we were all asked if we are OK with this, we are a democracy aren't we?

- Its fine for cameron and his ilk, he doesn't live in the ordinary streets, you'll find his lot behind gated communities. He and his misses won't be struggling up the motor way, he won't face unemployment, he obviously has private health insurance yet he proposes to talk for everyone else whose lives he actually knows nothing about.