18 CEOs Called Out By Bernie Sanders

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: jacobe001

Am I somehow failing to communicate that I want government to shrink and, therefore, be unable to grant privileges to insiders?

I get the distinct impression that you want to argue but, I think we agree on the problem, just not the solution.

The "good luck" comment isn't what I would have expected from someone who seriously desires the elimination of cronyism.

Perhaps I was mistaken in believing you are not for Sanders?
Booting out the Crony Capitalists out of DC will shrink the government.
That means the revolving door politicians and lobbyists.

If you think you are going to shrink the government any other way, then I do not know what to say.


As an example:
Goldman Sachs suggests one of their members should go into politics and become a politician. Lets call him PolA
PolA says we need to increase housing for the poor or some other scheme that Goldman Sachs can profit from.
Goldman Sachs sends a lobbyist to DC.
They have both bases covered, on the inside and outside.

What do you propose to do about Goldman Sachs Politicians and Lobbyists?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

They already left with their wealth, how do you propose to get that wealth back?

The only "big corporations" left are in league with big government fulfilling the promise of corporatism as Mussolini envisioned it.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: neo96

THEN WHY ON EARTH should Trump be President???

Why do we need a president?

Team captain in time of war is the only reason for a ruler in a free country.

And the last war we needed to fight was on the side of the South in 1861.

We lost. That is why Trump will be president.

a reply to: greencmp

Having been diminished in its ability to molest and interfere with private commerce, cronies will have no overlord to support them.

Okay.......

And, then what?
How does that alleviate homelessness, hunger, poverty, lack of medical care, and limited educational opportunities?

a reply to: greencmp

They already left with their wealth, how do you propose to get that wealth back?

You're unfamiliar with how Iran's own money was frozen? How the whole 'sanctions' thing works?

It's not a big mysterious unheard of impossible method that is used to freeze the assets of a bank account. Or the assets of an entire nation.

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

They already left with their wealth, how do you propose to get that wealth back?

The only "big corporations" left are in league with big government fulfilling the promise of corporatism as Mussolini envisioned it.

Well I am glad you are agreeing that we have Corporate Fascism in this country.
The Corporate Fascists, (Not you) as a rebuttal have been twisting it around where our country is descending into Socialism or Communism. It is a smoke and mirrors move to distract the masses. The TPP headed by Multinational Corporations is Fascism.

Obamacare for example is as far from Communism or Socialism as you can get.

It is a permanent stealth bailout for a for profit system just like the car insurance scam where I am forced to buy it.

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: jacobe001

Am I somehow failing to communicate that I want government to shrink and, therefore, be unable to grant privileges to insiders?

I get the distinct impression that you want to argue but, I think we agree on the problem, just not the solution.

The "good luck" comment isn't what I would have expected from someone who seriously desires the elimination of cronyism.

Perhaps I was mistaken in believing you are not for Sanders?
Booting out the Crony Capitalists out of DC will shrink the government.
That means the revolving door politicians and lobbyists.

If you think you are going to shrink the government any other way, then I do not know what to say.


As an example:
Goldman Sachs suggests one of their members should go into politics and become a politician. Lets call him PolA
PolA says we need to increase housing for the poor or some other scheme that Goldman Sachs can profit from.
Goldman Sachs sends a lobbyist to DC.
They have both bases covered, on the inside and outside.

What do you propose to do about Goldman Sachs Politicians and Lobbyists?

I definitely do not support socialism or socialists.

At least we are clear now, I believe that government should be neutered because it cannot ever be trusted, no matter who is in charge.

Essentially, if I am understanding correctly, you believe that only some of them are untrustworthy and that you can cherry pick the good from the bad. I don't believe that.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: greencmp

Having been diminished in its ability to molest and interfere with private commerce, cronies will have no overlord to support them.

Okay.......

And, then what?
How does that alleviate homelessness, hunger, poverty, lack of medical care, and limited educational opportunities?

For one thing, people will be able to keep most of their money, typically 35%. For most people, that equates to between $10,000 and $20,000 annually.

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: jacobe001

Am I somehow failing to communicate that I want government to shrink and, therefore, be unable to grant privileges to insiders?

I get the distinct impression that you want to argue but, I think we agree on the problem, just not the solution.

The "good luck" comment isn't what I would have expected from someone who seriously desires the elimination of cronyism.

Perhaps I was mistaken in believing you are not for Sanders?
Booting out the Crony Capitalists out of DC will shrink the government.
That means the revolving door politicians and lobbyists.

If you think you are going to shrink the government any other way, then I do not know what to say.


As an example:
Goldman Sachs suggests one of their members should go into politics and become a politician. Lets call him PolA
PolA says we need to increase housing for the poor or some other scheme that Goldman Sachs can profit from.
Goldman Sachs sends a lobbyist to DC.
They have both bases covered, on the inside and outside.

What do you propose to do about Goldman Sachs Politicians and Lobbyists?

I made a proposal. You put a very hard low limit on contributions say 25.00 for a person or 50.00 a corporation even bundling. No one person can or corporation can make more than one donation per candidate in any given election period. You define lobbyist as either or. Either 25 or 50 comes out of their pocket to any candidate in any election cycle. Term is x number of years pick one donation.

Also politicians will be forced to be in front of people gaining as many 25.00 donations as possible. Want to spend your time with the 1% and fat cat lobbyist? Do it. Your competition is spending time with the other 99%. Also if the 1% can no longer provide all the funding, influence, and connections a politician needs. Politicians can no longer focus on working for those people at the expense of others. Also will high price lobbyist jobs be available as post political careers, sure we will pay you millions to hand out 25.00 or 50.00 one time a term to other politicians.

Public finance is a terrible option. That comes with rules and strings defined by whom? Politicians. You think third parties and outsiders have a time now, public financing will put an end to it. As the rules will be written to ensure the democrats and republicans are the only ones to get it .

You cannot make everyone wealthy, but you can equalize everyone's voice in politics with low hard finance limits. Sad truth is money is your voice in politics. The more you have, the bigger the voice. Hard, low limits changes it immediately.

Won't happen, many issues with this proposal and politicians would never limit themselves. Until something like this happens, no matter what people do the end result will be those with money get to use the power of the government to legalize more benefit.

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

They already left with their wealth, how do you propose to get that wealth back?

The only "big corporations" left are in league with big government fulfilling the promise of corporatism as Mussolini envisioned it.

Well I am glad you are agreeing that we have Corporate Fascism in this country.
The Corporate Fascists, (Not you) as a rebuttal have been twisting it around where our country is descending into Socialism or Communism. It is a smoke and mirrors move to distract the masses. The TPP headed by Multinational Corporations is Fascism.

Obamacare for example is as far from Communism or Socialism as you can get.

It is a permanent stealth bailout for a for profit system just like the car insurance scam where I am forced to buy it.

You do understand that fascism is a variant of socialism, specifically national syndicalism. The "right wing" of socialism where communism is the "left wing".

Neither is desirable.

originally posted by: greencmp


At least we are clear now, I believe that government should be neutered because it cannot ever be trusted, no matter who is in charge.

Essentially, if I am understanding correctly, you believe that only some of them are untrustworthy and that you can cherry pick the good from the bad. I don't believe that.

Well, here is where we depart.
For the past 30 years, the Obama's and Bushs and so on have been backed by Crony Capitalists and Banksters as their top donors. Of which many are Multinational Corporations that could care less about this country since they have their wings in many countries.
Sanders is backed by your average American that lives here and in that respect are Pro American's.

The only reason Sanders would be a failure is the same reason that Jesus Christ would be a failure.
They would make him out to be a demon in the media if he does not tow the crony capitalist line.

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

I made a proposal. You put a very hard low limit on contributions say 25.00 for a person or 50.00 a corporation even bundling. No one person can or corporation can make more than one donation per candidate in any given election period. You define lobbyist as either or. Either 25 or 50 comes out of their pocket to any candidate in any election cycle. Term is x number of years pick one donation.

I agree with your plan and would back any person running that would implement it.
How do we get it passed?

originally posted by: greencmp

You do understand that fascism is a variant of socialism, specifically national syndicalism. The "right wing" of socialism where communism is the "left wing".

Neither is desirable.

Yes, and it is the Multinational Corporations along with their puppets in DC calling the shots.
It is not the average American living paycheck to paycheck.
That is also why I will never defend the Big Corporations and Banks in this country either.
They reap the rewards from their disastrous policies and then try and push the blame onto the average American.
They made their bed, they can sleep in it.

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: greencmp

You do understand that fascism is a variant of socialism, specifically national syndicalism. The "right wing" of socialism where communism is the "left wing".

Neither is desirable.

Yes, and it is the Multinational Corporations along with their puppets in DC calling the shots.
It is not the average American living paycheck to paycheck.
That is also why I will never defend the Big Corporations and Banks in this country either.
They reap the rewards from their disastrous policies and then try and push the blame onto the average American.
They made their bed, they can sleep in it.

Did you know that the banks in the US were made by the government in 1913?

Did you know that National governments were made by Monopolies about 1500?

Socialism is the natural progression of cronyism. Socialism is an add campaign for government by front men.

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

I made a proposal. You put a very hard low limit on contributions say 25.00 for a person or 50.00 a corporation even bundling. No one person can or corporation can make more than one donation per candidate in any given election period. You define lobbyist as either or. Either 25 or 50 comes out of their pocket to any candidate in any election cycle. Term is x number of years pick one donation.

I agree with your plan and would back any person running that would implement it.
How do we get it passed?

It's my unicorn. My pipe dream. I don't ever think the politicians would ever limit themselves in that way. The only possible option would be for 99% to drop all diferrences for a time and put so much pressure on politicians they had no choice. Or 99% come together to elect a brand new congress with the single goal of implementing it. But hey I throw it out on ats, mention it at work, goes viral........I'll come back to reality now

originally posted by: Reallyfolks
And what was right after that? Again you conviently leave out portions of what some one posts in order to jump to Sanders defense or to only address specific sentences. Are you amusing yourself???

So what??? I don't have to quote anything at all. I just do it for convenience, what difference does it make???

What do you do , push Sanders reform for what???? Public financing. Again are you amusing yourself?

Dude, you were talking about how he should work on campaign reform so I linked a couple things to his plan for it. Don't read them if you don't want to. I thought it pertained to the conversation but I guess you'd rather talk about your idea only. Didn't realize you were running for president.

No, I'm not finding much amusement at the moment.

Also not having a fit over any candidates running, certainly not one like trump or Sanders who have no chance of winning. Bush or Clinton, pick your poison.

They can win. I'm as cynical as anyone but to say they can't win is to admit defeat before you try anyway. With overwhelming support for a winner nobody could hide such and outcome.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: mOjOm
Socialists often take up valid causes. Karl Marx supported Lincoln's anti slavery campaign. Does that make Marxism a good ideology? Nope. Neither does Bernie attacking corporate CEOs make his ideology a good thing. A good socialist will attack Capitalism in any way possible. However, they still use capitalist money to promote their agenda.

He's not attacking capitalism or even business. He's attacking "Business as Usual". Getting corporations to pay their fair of taxes is just that, Fair. How mentally damaged can you be to promote multi billion dollar profit making companies paying zero or negative tax rates while individuals including yourself pay 30 or more percent???

That's not attacking anything but corruption and we need to be attacking that more often if you hadn't noticed.

You people are hung up on that word socialist like it's some kind of cryptonite. You're talking about conceptual model on how to run a certain part of society as if it's some demon. But it's just a word. People call themselves all kinds of things that they aren't but they still say it because they want it to be true. Just look at all the (Name a Relgion) followers. To say that half of them live up to their chosen title is a stretch by any measure.

a reply to: jacobe001

What do you propose to do about Goldman Sachs Politicians and Lobbyists?

You did know that the current admin has had one of the highest numbers of GS people employed....probably you didn't. Sanders backed individual at the helm of the current admin...just because these people spout the usual rhetoric of clearing out the 1%, in reality they are totally tied in.
CFR are both Democrat and Republican
You probably didn't know that the current occupier's mom was employed by the Ford Foundation, as was one of his cronies Tim Geithner's Dad.
My my how the spider weaves it's web

a reply to: mOjOm
yes socialism is corrosive in so many ways. and yah it is like kryptonite to any freedom loving individual.

I'm not opposed to people and corporations paying up what they owe in taxes....the question is what is really someone's fair share? Socialists always have an agenda of social and economic justice, but they don't care how they achieve their goals. I think its just a ploy to raise taxes on everyone....these people love to give us previews of what they plan and the people are too naïve to get what's really going on. Slick as ice
Now of course you won't have to worry about this if you did not come from a family where someone built up a business and wants to pass his stuff he worked hard for on to his beloved....

Sanders proposes that the estate tax kick in at $3.5 million with a rate of 40%, got to 50% over $10 million, 55% over $50 million with a 10% billionaire surtax. The document also talks about “closing loopholes”, but does not get real specific

www.forbes.com...

Oh yah Sanders is going to gouge anyone with any money he can. Because he's a socialist and that's what they do.

Lots of Corporate members in the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) too.

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