Unarmed, need to take down man with gun. what do?

I have a hypothetical scenario and a question for you guys(and gals).
You and some loved ones are in close quarters scenario with an armed hostile on front of you. He has his gun in hand, but not yet pointed at you. You and yours are unarmed.
What do you do?
For me, at least, running is not an option.
What IS, however, is utilizing your surroundings to at best incapacitate or at worst distracting them aaand that's all i got. What say you, ats?

a reply to: 5leepingWarrior

There are videos to watch in this regards. But repetitive training IS best.

You should, if no other choice arrises because running is not an option, rush the gun holder, keep the gun pointed down, work their wrist, strike at vital points (eyes, throat, nuts, etc.) Do not give them space.

In all honesty I would hate to have been placed in that situation because the end result is either your life or the gun holders.(accidents do happen)

I hope this snip it helps,

Regards,

Ha ha jokes on you I have two arms at all times.

a reply to: 5leepingWarrior

Knees, nuts, nose. Usually in that order. Every time, every situation.

Exactly how close quarters are we talking? 5 ft? 2ft? 20ft?

The reason I ask is, even if you are very close, it will take 1 second or even less to raise the weapon and fire. If the person has any idea how to use it, they're not going to be holding the weapon at arms length, they'll have it close to their body. If you're within 10ft, I'm not going to stick my weapon out for you to grab, I'm going to keep it it in a modified Weaver's stance, elbows bent and weapon closer to my chest, so you can't grab it. In that situation, you'd better change your mind about running, because you're going to die if you don't. If someone has a loaded weapon in their hand and you don't, don't try to play bad ass when running could save your life.

a reply to: SirKonstantin Is death really inevitable in this situation, though? I mean, if you got so far as grappling, is it not feasible that you could disarm and incapacitate them?

originally posted by: TsukiLunar
Ha ha jokes on you I have two arms at all times.

I stand corrected.

As for your question, David, let's say a variable amount of 6-10 feet.

a reply to: 5leepingWarrior

I only make that statement because accidents do happen. A major artery could be hit. I would hope that you and your partner both rush the gun holder. 2 over 1 is a far better chance of survival.

I wouldn't suggest attacking the knee first, you want to remain standing. Falling down and rolling around means that control over the gun is far less than if you maintain an upright position. Cuervo is Incorrect, the reverse is more accurate.

Of course, taking self defense course will provide you with the best protection and understanding that i do have some sense of self defense education.

Regards,

Scream OMG! and point behind the gunman. The gunman will turn his head around to see what you are pointing to, as he turning then rush him and beat the daylights out of him.

I hope that helps.

a reply to: 5leepingWarrior

Scream "I'm a hemophiliac!"
shriek like a woman and keep sobbing until he turns away in disgust. That's when it's time to kick some back. And then when he's lying down on the ground...
Kick him in the ribs.
Step on his neck.
And run like hell.

originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: 5leepingWarrior

Knees, nuts, nose. Usually in that order. Every time, every situation.

YOUR WORNG. (where is gun control mentioned here? attack his knees and he will fall down pointing the gun up at you, BOOM!!! their goes your brains and the partner you love will be dead in a pool of blood next).

The Reverse of this is More effective.

Just take time and think about this. If you strike the gun holders knee, your falling to the ground. How will you provide a sufficient strike to the groined AND fight over the control of the gun??? And attacking the Nose??? You would be rolling around Fighting over the control of the gun, releasing the grip for control of the gun to strike the gun holders nose is ample time to be shot in the stomach and suffer a most painful death.

Now if you FIRST maintain the gun in a downward position and your partner strikes his nose, this is effective. Now you have disoriented the gun holder. Release of the gun holders grip is very possible as a strike to the nose is Nerve effective. Now you can, if your still struggle over the gun, have your partner attack with a strike to the neck, This should also looses the gun holders grip. And could be a death blow resulting in a win.
Once you have full control over the gun, you now have control of the situation. Do as you please.



Where have you gotten your advice from?
Please do more research or take training classes before you give suggestions towards a life and death situation.

Regards,

You'll have to improvise a weapon.

Many times you will just have your belt on you.

You could use your belt if you're close enough.

Stab them. Under the chin and then drive the blade through their palate with a palm assist. I don't go anywhere without a folding blade with a thumb lever clipped to my pocket.

a reply to: Cuervo

You would most definitely die in this situation and i do not have any remorse for your ignorance.

NEVER GIVE ADIVCE ON THIS TOPIC EVER AGAIN!!!

Life is very important.

a reply to: 5leepingWarrior

Crane kick? Well placed spit ball? Three stooges type finger to the eyes? Close as possible to control path of bullet if fired and hope one free hand can do damage. ?

originally posted by: SirKonstantin

originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: 5leepingWarrior

Knees, nuts, nose. Usually in that order. Every time, every situation.

YOUR WORNG. (where is gun control mentioned here? attack his knees and he will fall down pointing the gun up at you, BOOM!!! their goes your brains and the partner you love will be dead in a pool of blood next).

The Reverse of this is More effective.

Just take time and think about this. If you strike the gun holders knee, your falling to the ground. How will you provide a sufficient strike to the groined AND fight over the control of the gun??? And attacking the Nose??? You would be rolling around Fighting over the control of the gun, releasing the grip for control of the gun to strike the gun holders nose is ample time to be shot in the stomach and suffer a most painful death.

Now if you FIRST maintain the gun in a downward position and your partner strikes his nose, this is effective. Now you have disoriented the gun holder. Release of the gun holders grip is very possible as a strike to the nose is Nerve effective. Now you can, if your still struggle over the gun, have your partner attack with a strike to the neck, This should also looses the gun holders grip. And could be a death blow resulting in a win.
Once you have full control over the gun, you now have control of the situation. Do as you please.



Where have you gotten your advice from?
Please do more research or take training classes before you give suggestions towards a life and death situation.

Regards,

It wasn't really a serious answer because the question wasn't very specific.

The "knees, nuts, nose" thing was something I was always told in class (Praying mantis kung-fu by a Jeet-Kun-Do instructor which made it interesting). With guns, we were taught to use parry-grab-strike techniques which normally set you up for some opportune knee and nut shots. It was close to what we were taught with knives but that was normally with both people having knives (why he never focused on disarming like with guns, I have no idea).

So, to answer your question seriously, I'd likely parry-grab and control the arm. If you are on the outside of the gun arm, you are relatively safe unless they can bend their arms backwards at the elbows.

My days of pretending to be interested in fighting are over so I'm a bit rusty, I imagine.

a reply to: Cuervo

Then please take the OPs question, even hypothetical seriously, as there are many other people who will be reading this Thread for information.

Why did you not decide to give a full self defense answer? I do understand your perry technique.but remember, there is someone else in that room with you. Your right, he was not very specific, so a perry to the gun could result in your friend taking a bullet to the face...understand? Gun Control is First and Foremost. I would hope you understand this as well.

Sorry for lashing out, this is a serious Informative topic, and should be taken as such.

Regards,

originally posted by: SirKonstantin
a reply to: Cuervo

Then please take the OPs question, even hypothetical seriously, as there are many other people who will be reading this Thread for information.

Why did you not decide to give a full self defense answer? I do understand your perry technique.but remember, there is someone else in that room with you. Your right, he was not very specific, so a perry to the gun could result in your friend taking a bullet to the face...understand? Gun Control is First and Foremost. I would hope you understand this as well.

Sorry for lashing out, this is a serious Informative topic, and should be taken as such.

Regards,

Thanks for the apology. I admit, you have a point. It's along the line of giving goofy medical advice, I suppose. Seems innocent but may cause some harm. I get it and I'm sorry for not giving my "serious" answer first.

originally posted by: 5leepingWarrior
I have a hypothetical scenario and a question for you guys(and gals).
You and some loved ones are in close quarters scenario with an armed hostile on front of you. He has his gun in hand, but not yet pointed at you. You and yours are unarmed.
What do you do?
For me, at least, running is not an option.
What IS, however, is utilizing your surroundings to at best incapacitate or at worst distracting them aaand that's all i got. What say you, ats?

I was in the military, ARMY more specifically.

At 20 feet, a person can take your weapon from you and use it on you before your twitch reflex can fire a single round.

I didn't believe it either until it was done to me by an instructor during a mobilization training exercise.

I not only watched him do it to several other guys before me, I thought, I got this guy, that isn't going to work on me.

It did and does.

Pretend to comply, close to within 20 feet or closer if possible , keep talking calmly like you are perfectly comfortable that he is in charge.

Keep talking, distract his mind.

As soon as his eyes move away in thought....

Take two steps, at a full sprint, grab the weapon twist it to the inside away from his trigger finger, make sure you turn it up down or towards him, just in case he reflexively squeezes, hit him in the face throat groin or anywhere hard, really #ing hard, bowl into him and knock him down.

Step past and away, so he has to get up and turn to face you.

Bybthis time you should with practice be able to orient and shoot center mass.

Risky, but after the zip ties are on and they are raping your wife is the wrong time to act.

Act early, long before that happens.

Once your tied up, you stray their mercy.

The time for action is early!!!!!!!!