Gender neutral craze comes to The University of Tennesee

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Gee, I've worked with a tight group of people before, and we made jokes to break up the boredom without name calling or personal put downs. Huh. Wonder how we did that?

Only explanation is intelligence level. Has to be, nothing else could. Every person of every race/religion/gender on our team are a bunch of dumb, racists, knuckle dragging sexists? I'll make sure we discuss that next lunch.

According to your group's way of handling humor, you should find those insults funny as hell. So, laugh away.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Gee, I've worked with a tight group of people before, and we made jokes to break up the boredom without name calling or personal put downs. Huh. Wonder how we did that?

Only explanation is intelligence level. Has to be, nothing else could. Every person of every race/religion/gender on our team are a bunch of dumb, racists, knuckle dragging sexists? I'll make sure we discuss that next lunch.

According to your group's way of handling humor, you should find those insults funny as hell. So, laugh away.

You didn't make a funny statement. Now had you called me a name based on weight , color , background. Taken a stab at crap work results or anything close. I would have and shared it. Say something funny, offensive or not and you get props

a reply to: kaylaluv

Do you believe that the brain is important? Do you believe that the brain is basically "the ruler" of the body, i.e., it tells all the body parts what to do.

I get what you're trying to say. But... the brain is telling the body to produce sperm or eggs, testosterone or estrogen. So, your point sort of dissolves right there. Meaning, the brain is indeed in charge and ruling over the development of the human body as male or female.

The social aspect of gender is another thing entirely, and a human construct. Gender roles and social mores are ever subject to change in any society or culture. We are experiencing a tidal wave of it right now big time. It is separate from the physical aspect of male and female, which remains constant thru time, in nearly all life forms on Earth, from flowers to birds to kangaroos to humans. It is what it is. Yes there are exceptions to the rule. But those exceptions do not rule.

No one should attempt to force anyone to ride the wave of agreement to any set of beliefs. Basic freedoms give each of us the right to believe what we believe. Insulting peoples' intelligence won't win them over.

originally posted by: Reallyfolks
a reply to: kaylaluv

The two roles that a person can take in the reproductive cycle (eggs, sperm). You get no more physical, medical, or factual than that. Everything else is feelings.

You can get no more physical, medical or factual than the human brain either. When what the physical brain says and what the body parts say match, no conflict. When the physical brain and the body parts don't match, you have a conflict. We live by our consciousness more than we live by our body parts, because we are sentient beings. When the physical brain and the body parts don't match, we tend to go by what our consciousness says, not what our body parts say. If we weren't sentient beings, I might agree with you that body parts are king, but we ARE sentient beings. Consciousness is king.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Reallyfolks
a reply to: kaylaluv

The two roles that a person can take in the reproductive cycle (eggs, sperm). You get no more physical, medical, or factual than that. Everything else is feelings.

You can get no more physical, medical or factual than the human brain either. When what the physical brain says and what the body parts say match, no conflict. When the physical brain and the body parts don't match, you have a conflict. We live by our consciousness more than we live by our body parts, because we are sentient beings. When the physical brain and the body parts don't match, we tend to go by what our consciousness says, not what our body parts say. If we weren't sentient beings, I might agree with you that body parts are king, but we ARE sentient beings. Consciousness is king.

That's fine. While used for a great many things sex at its based it a tool for reproduction. That's what it is for. On those lines reproduction nets one of two roles. Eggs, sperm. You have one of those roles you take upon birth. Based on this role you are a man or woman for classification purposes. Can't do away with it. If you choose on the social level to change it fine, doesn't change biological role. And I do not care for what purpose or what sex people have sex with so don't try. In the grand scheme sex is reproduction, everyone has one of two roles in it. Changing terms or identifying with the opposite does not change this base fact.

a reply to: Wardaddy454


uh, hi. real life actual "transgendered" right here. What Kaylaluv is telling you is the truth.
Obviously i can't speak for all trans women but i do personally know hundreds of girls like me, and i can ~guarantee~ you, not one of us regrets transition in the slightest. Dysphoria is - take my word for it - about the most horrific thing a person can feel. i spent much of my life as barely more than a zombie before i built up the courage to transition, and that's a pretty typical experience. I tried all sorts of things to fix it, but nothing helped.. until i started running my body on estrogen, and everything just fell together. Obviously it didn't magically fix my life - life would still be full of drama even if there weren't so many people offended by my existence - but at least my body finally feels like it's mine.
I wish i could describe what it's like to live your life full of the wrong hormones. every single second is a battle not to start carving your own face off.

Also, ps, using operations as some sort of goal post is missing the point significantly. this is not about genitals in any way. Most of the girls in my life don't even consider operations. It's about being able to live authentically, as who we really are. And, as in the OP, people having enough respect to use the pronouns that suit us best goes a long way to helping.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Reallyfolks
a reply to: kaylaluv

The two roles that a person can take in the reproductive cycle (eggs, sperm). You get no more physical, medical, or factual than that. Everything else is feelings.

You can get no more physical, medical or factual than the human brain either. When what the physical brain says and what the body parts say match, no conflict. When the physical brain and the body parts don't match, you have a conflict. We live by our consciousness more than we live by our body parts, because we are sentient beings. When the physical brain and the body parts don't match, we tend to go by what our consciousness says, not what our body parts say. If we weren't sentient beings, I might agree with you that body parts are king, but we ARE sentient beings. Consciousness is king.

Physical brain... functions by way of electro-chemical signals.
Consciousness... even the location is subject to speculation. Hence, it cannot be 'physically studied.'

a reply to: new_here

So you don't think there is a physical part of the brain that creates consciousness? You don't think that gender identity is part of consciousness that goes beyond any kind of social construct? A three-year old who doesn't know anything about social construct can tell his mommy that he is in fact, not a boy, even if he does have a penis. Because his consciousness tells him he is a girl. Yes, the part of the brain that does not handle consciousness will do its role in making all the body parts work. But that is not the whole brain.

People can believe what they want, but facts are facts. The fact is, our brain consciousness sometimes doesn't match our physical when it comes to gender. Brain scans have shown a physical difference between transgender people and others with the same physical gender.

I'm just trying to educate. People insulting transgender people by calling them nuts who need mental help certainly isn't winning me over either.

a reply to: kaylaluv

brain gender??

hahahahaha

im with john wick. maybe i just dont get it...

the word i use for most people is asshole. seems to fit 90% of the people i come in contact with.

still laughing at brain gender

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: Shamrock6

I agree with Jude, a minor segment of society is now trying to change how we identify the natural course of nature? Male or female gender is how we define the difference in body anatomy. This politically forced acceptance of GLBT is going way too far. If they continue to force changes like this, the strides the GLBT community has gained will back fire.

They are fundamentally severely insecure about who they are.

To try to palliate to this, and reassure themselves, they DEMAND we play along and encourage them.

Borderline narcissists

originally posted by: continuousThunder
a reply to: Wardaddy454


uh, hi. real life actual "transgendered" right here. What Kaylaluv is telling you is the truth.
Obviously i can't speak for all trans women but i do personally know hundreds of girls like me, and i can ~guarantee~ you, not one of us regrets transition in the slightest. Dysphoria is - take my word for it - about the most horrific thing a person can feel. i spent much of my life as barely more than a zombie before i built up the courage to transition, and that's a pretty typical experience. I tried all sorts of things to fix it, but nothing helped.. until i started running my body on estrogen, and everything just fell together. Obviously it didn't magically fix my life - life would still be full of drama even if there weren't so many people offended by my existence - but at least my body finally feels like it's mine.
I wish i could describe what it's like to live your life full of the wrong hormones. every single second is a battle not to start carving your own face off.

Also, ps, using operations as some sort of goal post is missing the point significantly. this is not about genitals in any way. Most of the girls in my life don't even consider operations. It's about being able to live authentically, as who we really are. And, as in the OP, people having enough respect to use the pronouns that suit us best goes a long way to helping.

You seem to be missing the point completely. Don't care how you identify , don't care if you get surgery, I understand it may cause a great many issues and I wish you welll in fixing that if you have gender identity issues be it surgery, hormones , etc.

My point is the term man and woman, he, she, boy and girl. Different between one of two roles each person has when being born...egg, sperm. Blurrying the lines, being neutral or whatever is simple crazy. At this point there is no changing that role at birth. Now others disagree on the social gender front. But feelings do not change biological facts, and these terms really are just pointing out biological differences.

Want to be the opposite sex. Have at it. But attempting to change or do away with terms that are used to point out biological, factual, scientific differences is stupid. Now these terms may have different meaning on the social gender scene but no matter what that may the feeling of the social aspect have no authority of the scientific, biological, and factual aspect of it.

originally posted by: Mugly
a reply to: kaylaluv

brain gender??

hahahahaha

im with john wick. maybe i just dont get it...

the word i use for most people is asshole. seems to fit 90% of the people i come in contact with.

still laughing at brain gender

Does consciousness and self awareness come from the brain or from the penis/vagina?

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Wardaddy454

. Aren't you interested in trying to fix it? I?

arent transgendered people trying to 'fix' themselves as well?
is that not the whole point of the surgery and the therapy?

a reply to: kaylaluv

my consciouness?
from my penis

if it has nothing to do with 'private parts' then why get surgery?
if their brain gender is male then they are male right? no matter what parts they have?

this really is getting silly

originally posted by: Mugly
a reply to: kaylaluv

my consciouness?
from my penis

You have confirmed what I suspected. That explains a lot about you.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Exactly!!

If they want to be called him, do so. Not hard. Her, do so. Not hard.

Why make up artificial terms, when just calling someone he/she, as they choose is so much easier...?

I'd call it overreacting, personally.

In my dealings with transgender, I found it shockingly easy to call them what they wanted to be called... Odd, that.

a reply to: Reallyfolks

if these things are so immutable and inseperable, your "biological facts", why does taking a single pill a day - replacing a single hormone from the body - have such a profound effect that if you met me on the street it wouldn't even occur to you to question my gender? Surely, if i'm a male, replacing my testosterone with estrogen should not have made me feel alright for the first time in my entire life.

this whole biological determinism thing is so boring. It's like, a grade school science level argument. Real life is so much more weird! Than your textbooks say it is! Intersex people are real, and there are a lot of them, and there a lot of variation in ways to be intersex. What about hermaphroditic creatures? Female hyenas have penises, and the penetrative role in sex. Clownfishes respond to changes in condition with what you would call changing sex. There is a species of lizard where there are no males at all, just beautiful lesbian lizards for weeks. isn't life amazing?

a reply to: Mugly

Yes, if their brain consciousness says they are a male, then fixing the body parts is just correcting the problem. Not every transgender person wants the surgery. There are risks involved to every surgery. Some transgender people just take the hormones and live life as the gender their consciousness tells them they are.

Back in the really old days, before hormone drugs and surgeries, transgender people didn't have a lot of choices. They could try to dress up and live life as the gender their brain said, or they could live life as the gender everyone saw them as. Either way, they were pretty miserable. Going against your self-awareness is really hard and really sad. Trying to live your life according to your self-awareness and having people who don't understand treat you like you are a nut who needs to be committed is really hard and really sad too.

A little empathy goes a long way.

a reply to: kaylaluv

fair enough.
empathy is not something i am capable of.

not just when it comes to transgender people.....all people
i just dont have it which in itself is a mental illness.

a reply to: Mugly

it doesn't have anything to do with surgery, either. A lot of girls plain aren't interested in it.
what it is about is being able to live as ourselves. You need to understand how terrible life is with your body full of the wrong hormones. Just addressing that issue helps a lot. But so does not being ridiculed, beaten, and literally told we don't exist constantly.