Trump is KILLING the Republican chances for Presidency

a reply to: Boscowashisnamo

I can see that as a fair point. Though I still don't see how even that is going to overcome this VAST negative opinion of Trump with Hispanics. When Gallup made the poll determining Hispanic opinions on the candidate, they had to extend the x-axis to account for Trump's VAST disapproval rate.

I'm sure there are Hispanics that think as you mentioned, but from the looks of it I'd say they are a vastly outnumbered minority in the Hispanic community.

originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Good question

Look at the presidential candidate field the Republicans have one black two Hispanic and one Indian running for president

The Democrats only have old white people of candidates

If the Democrats are truly the party for racial minorities then why do the Republicans have 100% of the minority presidential candidates

The proof is not in rhetoric but the proof is in action

Instead of just giving lip service to minorities having the same abilities the same smarts the same qualifications of white people it is the Republicans who are the ones who are acting as if the minorities are smart and capable in this election cycle

So now we are back to voting by skin color again. What about their policies? What do the Republicans offer that would appeal to minority voters? Traditionally Democrats have promised the world to minorities, and that is likely the reason they continue to vote for that party. Republicans tend to ignore or marginalize minorities.

I mean, granted, you have a point with the skin color thing, and maybe a good number of uninformed voters will switch sides to vote based on skin color. Though, don't expect the informed voters to do that. Not to mention, registered Democrats don't vote in Republican primaries, so all of this is hinged on a minority Republican getting the nomination. Not Trump.

originally posted by: Mizzijr
a reply to: Krazysh0t

It kind makes you wonder if it's by design.

This is a question that I've been avoiding answering because you are right. It DOES make it look like its by design, and the implications of that if true are worrisome.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Then maybe they DO need to learn the hard way. I'm really just trying to help them avoid an embarrassment in the future. Which is what will happen during the national election if they nominate Trump, but if that is the inevitable future, sometimes you just need to stand out of the way and let the child bust his nose.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Never said it did; its how the liberal Democrat media translates the issue.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Well then this is the perfect time to write this article, when it's not too late to wake some Conservatives up from supporting this buffoon.

Here is the problem with real Conservatives and this election. We don't want the far left government we have today. Hillary would probably push things further to the left. We are sick of our (meaning Republican) elected representatives lying, not doing what we elected them to do, etc. Regardless of anyone's opinion of Trump as a person...his words express what we want. And it really isn't that crazy as I'm sure the left thinks. Enforce the existing laws. Guard the country's borders (also a law). Either fix or shrink government waste and spending (personally...I think they waste 50% of what they take from us). Police "helping the poor, etc." to avoid waste but assure those in need get help. America first should always be the motto and by America...that means legal citizens. Support our allies overseas. These aren't nutty ideas.

Anyone who believes the government has any interest in the people is lying to themselves. They are out for themselves and we are their source of power. Republicans included!!! We want to see power turned back over to the people and not "leaders" who do whatever they want...fund whatever they want. We want government to run on a budget WE decide. Here is what you have to spend...spend wisely...get the job done or go away.

Sad to say but Trump is the ONLY one really preaching what Conservatives want. Forget the fringe...Planned Parenthood, gay rights, etc. Those aren't the real important issues to the right. We want what everyone wants. Fairness...equality...but for the American people.

Sorry, but Trump has many of our votes and a chance to win. It isn't our BEST choice...it isn't even the choice we WANT. But it is better than what we currently have, what we are being promised (more lies) and what the left is putting up. At least to us.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Sorry, but Trump has many of our votes and a chance to win. It isn't our BEST choice...it isn't even the choice we WANT. But it is better than what we currently have, what we are being promised (more lies) and what the left is putting up. At least to us.

You don't have to apologize to me. I know all of this rhetoric already. I know why you like him. I'm trying to tell you with this OP that that rhetoric isn't a valid path to the Presidency. I've backed this up with data and statistics that show that this very rhetoric is driving away the Hispanic vote, and the Hispanic vote is necessary to get the Presidency these days.

Also, keep in mind, Trump wants to END birthright citizenship. That is wrong on so many levels.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Reallyfolks

I can agree. But Reagan get's to take blame for that too.

Should we also revisit the October Surprise? I know that's "conspiracy", but it's worth mentioning.

That's fine. Some will some won't. But if there is something I am going to assign blame for i make sure I assign it to the proper people and all those who deserve it. That's just me though. The short answer for most it it was Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Obama on just about anything. But if something comes to the point where you need to assign blame, and there were others also involved. Chances are those others maybe around after the point man is gone and still in a position to influence things. For no other reason I would want to know if that is the case, especially on something so large scale. Also operation cyclone was run from 1979 to 1987. Does it matter? Don't know , depends on who you are and what you believe.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Then maybe they DO need to learn the hard way. I'm really just trying to help them avoid an embarrassment in the future. Which is what will happen during the national election if they nominate Trump, but if that is the inevitable future, sometimes you just need to stand out of the way and let the child bust his nose.

Honestly, I hope they never learn. Because that would simply mean they've learned to conceal their base's bigotry enough to con the Latino/Latina voters into supporting them.

Instead, I think they'll actually have to address their base's bigotry, start teaching & implementing equality, and actually keep rejecting the Republicans who attack the Hispanic communities. And I don't mean those crappy, half-apologies. I mean, completely banning anti-Latino/Latina policies from their local, statewide, and national platforms. Then I could see the outreach working.

Of course, if that happened, the Democratic Party would be wiped out. Democrats already take the black & brown votes for granted while never making our issues a priority. It's basically choosing between a party that actively hits us and another party that allows the other party to actively hit us. We face the same disproportionate effects of the judicial system & law enforcement whether we have Democrats or Republicans in office. (That's why I'm just as likely to vote for a 3rd party candidate as I am a Dem.)

So if Republicans actually change their anti-Hispanic tactics, the political landscape would change dramatically.

a reply to: fartlordsupreme

more extreme lunatics getting the nomination

Yes like Hillary or Bernie. The difference between those two is that Hillary wont admit publicly shes a radical Marxist/socialist. I know you meant the Republicans, but really that's what it boils down to. Scary that a woman whose whole political career is littered with scandal and a guy who is an out of the closet socialist are the main components of the DNC.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

But that's the thing. If the Republican party would actually learn its lesson and change to be more inclusive towards Hispanics and blacks, it would FORCE the Democratic party to follow through on its rhetoric for once lest they lose a voting block they've taken for granted for so long. THAT would actually shake things up for the better, instead of what Trump is doing.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Really, what do you think the Democrats conned the people into accepting? How about socialism, Marxism, communism all rolled up into a nice little slogan, socialized healthcare and auto industry, huge bailouts including Freddie/fannie, wholesale genocide of unborn with trafficking in their little aborted parts...prolonged unemployment, stupid rules of engagement and continuation of wars despite the best rhetoric, oh by the way now fighting ISIS...more Agenda 21 garbage(the Presidents Council on Urban Development) sacking the coal industry in the name of fighting global warming, I mean climate change..I mean....oh yes and Common Core(taking away states rights and replacing with centralized control), but they had help from Bill Gates billionaire philanthropist turned educator who peddles vaccines in Africa and other places.
Im sure theres a lot Ive forgotten.

Accoding to polls Trump all ready has Hispanic support.Why to people ignore facts.Trump must maintain these leads or He won't last.

a reply to: Jobeycool

According to WHAT polls? This one appears to paint a different picture than what you are saying. That is unless you think -51 approval rating signifies Hispanic support.



I find it interesting that you are talking about people ignoring facts, while you have been blatantly ignoring all the facts I supplied in the OP and now are supplying unverified (and untrue) claims.

ETA: Don't worry though. Trump is doing JUST as badly among the black demographic.

And what percent of actual voters are hispanic?

We're talking tiny numbers here.

Not an issue, as far as over-all voters go.

originally posted by: beezzer
And what percent of actual voters are hispanic?

We're talking tiny numbers here.

Not an issue, as far as over-all voters go.

You should go reread the OP. The Hispanic vote and why it is important is all I talked about.

This is the FIRST quoted external text in the OP:

The white percentage of the electorate has been shrinking for decades and will be about 2 points smaller in 2016 than in 2012. In 2008, Barack Obama became the first president elected while losing the white vote by double digits. In 2012, Hispanics, the nation’s largest minority, were for the first time a double-digit (10 percent) portion of the electorate. White voters were nearly 90 percent of Romney’s vote. In 1988, George H.W. Bush won 59 percent of the white vote, which translated into 426 electoral votes. Twenty-four years later, Romney won 59 percent of the white vote and just 206 electoral votes. He lost the nonwhite vote by 63 points, receiving just 17 percent of it. If the Republicans’ 2016 nominee does not do better than Romney did among nonwhite voters, he will need 65 percent of the white vote, which was last achieved by Ronald Reagan when carrying 49 states in 1984. Romney did even slightly worse among Asian Americans — the fastest-growing minority — than among Hispanics. Evidently, minorities generally detected Republican ambivalence, even animus, about them. This was before Trump began receiving rapturous receptions because he obliterates inhibitions about venting hostility.

I'm sorry but dismissing the Hispanic vote is naive and short sighted.

The Diversifying Electorate—Voting Rates by Race and Hispanic Origin in 2012

11.2 million Hispanic Americans voted in 2012 which is more than twice the number that voted in 2000.

That's 8% of the total number of citizens voting, and neither is a 100% increase in participation in 12 years.

Not numbers to be ignored by anyone.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Then maybe they DO need to learn the hard way. I'm really just trying to help them avoid an embarrassment in the future. Which is what will happen during the national election if they nominate Trump, but if that is the inevitable future, sometimes you just need to stand out of the way and let the child bust his nose.

Honestly, I hope they never learn. Because that would simply mean they've learned to conceal their base's bigotry enough to con the Latino/Latina voters into supporting them.

Instead, I think they'll actually have to address their base's bigotry, start teaching & implementing equality, and actually keep rejecting the Republicans who attack the Hispanic communities. And I don't mean those crappy, half-apologies. I mean, completely banning anti-Latino/Latina policies from their local, statewide, and national platforms. Then I could see the outreach working.

Of course, if that happened, the Democratic Party would be wiped out. Democrats already take the black & brown votes for granted while never making our issues a priority. It's basically choosing between a party that actively hits us and another party that allows the other party to actively hit us. We face the same disproportionate effects of the judicial system & law enforcement whether we have Democrats or Republicans in office. (That's why I'm just as likely to vote for a 3rd party candidate as I am a Dem.)

So if Republicans actually change their anti-Hispanic tactics, the political landscape would change dramatically.

Well said man well said

So I get the point of the post. Trumps views and actions will hurt the gop. In general the gop need to change if they want to compete going forward.

I think that is a little short sighted. I think the popularity of both Bernie Sanders and trump show that going forward both parties better do some changing or no longer look to compete with just one other party. Seems each election more people are getting fed up with the business as usual in politics. Up to now that has been dealt with by the illusion of changing business as usual. I think as this grows the illusions will no longer work and results will be demanded. My question isn't what trump will do, how gop change, but how will both.

May not matter for the upcoming election but I have no doubt it will. But if trump kills the chances this election and your a democrat I would think you would cheer that, not want to prevent it from happening

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Then maybe they DO need to learn the hard way. I'm really just trying to help them avoid an embarrassment in the future. Which is what will happen during the national election if they nominate Trump, but if that is the inevitable future, sometimes you just need to stand out of the way and let the child bust his nose.

Honestly, I hope they never learn. Because that would simply mean they've learned to conceal their base's bigotry enough to con the Latino/Latina voters into supporting them.

Instead, I think they'll actually have to address their base's bigotry, start teaching & implementing equality, and actually keep rejecting the Republicans who attack the Hispanic communities. ...

If Republicans are anti-Hispanic as you claim,
why is Marco Rubio doing so well in the polls, he is Hispanic.

Why is Ted Cruz so popular and Trump
is considering him as a running mate if he wins, he is Hispanic.

Where is a Hispanic candidate on the Democratic side????? I'm looking.

Whose actions are demonstrating respect for Hispanics
and enough Republicans supporting not one but two Hispanic candidates?

So your argument that Republicans are anti-Hispanic are moot until you can show that the Democrats
have such respect for Hispanics they would run one for President.

The anti-immigration thing isn't just hispanic,
it is also Middle Eastern with the President
encouraging and giving amnesty to people
coming from a culture of misogyny and
a culture of hate and violence,

it is also the chinese from china who fly to the US
in plane loads and live in maternity houses to
have their babies and then fly back to China to live.
It is not anti-minority, it is the practice of skirting the law
with anchor babies,

it is extreme criminals that Obama has not only allowed to stay
but refuses to prosecute for heinous crimes.
To say the people are angry about immigration is true,
but it is not because of prejudice or bigotry,
it is because the US is being taken advantage of.

The current administration is allowing people amnesty
who are openly anti-american and
coming here with hatred and violence
in mind in the case of many ME illegals;

it is the Chinese and Hispanics who come 7-9
months pregnant across the border
simply to get citizenship for their children.

And mostly it is because the administration refuses
to protect the American people from the criminals
who cross the border and
insists they be let out of jail and not punished
for real and awful crimes against the American people.

Before you say all Republicans are bigoted and racist
take a look at the people running for office

The Republican field has 1 black, 2 hispanics,
1 Indian; who is demonstrating respect for and
admiration for minorities as people who are smart
and capable to lead the US.

Many of the Republican
candidates come from extremely humble
beginnings and are now well off, except Rubio
who just paid off his student loans, but many if
not most are not multi-multi millionaires.

The Democratic field has, lets see, oh
a bunch of tired old rich white people.
With the same tired old policies that
got the US what?

Race relations which was improving is now as
bad as it was in the days of slavery.
Encouraged by Democratic policies and
leaders who encourage hatred and division
between races for political and financial
reasons.

The economy is on the edge of falling
off a cliff and being totally destroyed.
Due to the policies of the administration
of the past 7 years.
That is enough time to have turned things
around rather than made them far far
far worse.

Black unemployment is the worst
it has been since the slaves were freed.
Jobs are going to illegal immigrants
so that now more American citizens are
not working who could work than ever
before in the history of the country.
That is the result of the tired old policies of the
old rich white people who are running
in the Democratic party.

Whose actions keep Blacks on the party plantation for votes?

Whose actions have taken jobs from Americans and given them to illegals
so that more able bodied Americans do not have jobs than ever in the
history of the country?

Whose actions have freed illegal criminals to commit the most
horrific crimes upon innocent American people?

Don't look at the rhetoric and promises, look at the actions,
the results.
Words are meaningless, who has really shown
respect for the American people and respect for
minorities like Hispanic and Indian
as people capable of running the country?

Which candidate for the Republicans has shown
deep and abiding respect for minorities, [/b[
holding them up to all of America in his TV show,
as smart, capable, leaders who should be respected
because of their intelligence and leadership?

Actions speak the truth,
political speech normally only tells lies.

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