Macedonia migrants: Hundreds rush border forces

originally posted by: imod02

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: imod02

Or is it because they are told its Gods will that they come to Europe to spread Islam

Islamaphobia now?

You should fear your own leadership more. They're the ones waging unjust wars in the Middle East.

I never said that, I just asked a question, or is asking questions now forbidden. You need to grow up and stop been so childish.

Let me see, you said, "to have any hope, you need all the refugees locked up in case of a Pandemic and maybe spreading Islam.

Got it… now tell me you never said that and stop "been" so childish.

a reply to: intrptr

You wanna quote that with a link?
I enjoy the debate, so if that was not said, you know.

a reply to: grainofsand

Compilation of member responses here in this thread, look it up…

ETA 1:The pandemic, lock up, to have hope, is here…

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ETA 2:The spreading Islam bit is here…

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: intrptr

Why should I be expected to look anything up?
Surely suchpotentially interesting discourse has a case to be solicited?

a reply to: grainofsand

Why should I be expected to look anything up?

Why should I get links for you, either?

(see if he notices)

done with this…

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: imod02

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: imod02

Or is it because they are told its Gods will that they come to Europe to spread Islam

Islamaphobia now?

You should fear your own leadership more. They're the ones waging unjust wars in the Middle East.

I never said that, I just asked a question, or is asking questions now forbidden. You need to grow up and stop been so childish.

Let me see, you said, "to have any hope, you need all the refugees locked up in case of a Pandemic and maybe spreading Islam.

Got it… now tell me you never said that and stop "been" so childish.

Nope once again grow up. Interment was used in Northern Ireland ( look it up) as far as Islam been spread it was a question,and a pandemic kills everyone regardless of there religion. Since you love to cherry pick words to suit yourself you do understand that it shows you are incapable of discussion or even defending you point of view. Night.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: grainofsand

Why should I be expected to look anything up?

Why should I get links for you, either?

(see if he notices)

done with this…

I noticed your edits lol.
I bid you goodnight.

a reply to: yuppa

You know, I was expecting a response like this one from you. One question. Would you rather chose to die for your property or to save lives of your family?

In my opinion, those responsible for creating chaos in their countries should be the ones taking in all these people. I mean, i can clearly remember an interview with Gaddafi where he stated that Europe would be facing this exact problem, if they kept doing what they have been doing. What a surprise, right?

So, I'm more than happy to help the people in my country that are just passing trough for their final destination in Germany, France in others. They caused this, they should be the ones dealing with it.

Anyway, there's this one picture circulating the social media's of the migrants that have been fighting with the Macedonian police:


Interesting to say at least. Sure, there are some people with their families, but what's the deal with the rest of them? Do they have some hidden agenda or any secret plans of any sort? I still find this whole situation somewhat tricky...

a reply to: Nikola014

ME and my family would fight for our land and country because aint no one pushing us off it without a fight. Also last i checked Greece was not responsible for these peoples situation. They themselves are for being passive when they should had took up arms and ran the other belligerant arabs out. And So youre fine "passing th e buck" as long as they dont stay in your country. how hypocritical of you to say. Shoudnt you set a example?

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: yuppa

They arent forced though. There is such a thing as standing your ground.

Yah, go there and stand their ground for them. Fight the war on terror, for them. Find ISIS and "fix them".

If you survive, look me up and we'll drink to your luck.

Not my land not my problem. Im not fighting for someone else when they will not appreciate the effort for doing so. Look at the Afghanis for a good example. They accepted help until they could stand on their own then immediatly stabbed the US in the back. And you cant fix stupid btw.

a reply to: yuppa

I find it somewhat reasonable in choosing to die for your land, but never again for any country on this planet.

Yes, i agree Greece is not responsible, and they probably wont have any long term problems with the migrants. And yes I am fine with these people just passing by, because it wasn't my country that participated in starting wars that made so many people needing to run away from the war zones.

How's that hypocritical?

But anyway, I can't say that I'm not worried about what these people could potentially bring to Europe.

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: yuppa

I find it somewhat reasonable in choosing to die for your land, but never again for any country on this planet.

Yes, i agree Greece is not responsible, and they probably wont have any long term problems with the migrants. And yes I am fine with these people just passing by, because it wasn't my country that participated in starting wars that made so many people needing to run away from the war zones.

How's that hypocritical?

But anyway, I can't say that I'm not worried about what these people could potentially bring to Europe.

If you dont see the hypocracy i cant help you. WHy not offer them Asylum there and save them a trip? A s part of th e international community and europe your country is somewhat culpable for them. They are a unknown though and as such need to be sent back.

a reply to: yuppa

Not my land not my problem. Im not fighting for someone else when they will not appreciate the effort for doing so.

But you have no problem focusing on anti war content, right?

Look at the Afghanis for a good example. They accepted help until they could stand on their own then immediately stabbed the US in the back.

The Afghans are defending their country because the terrain is suitable for that. Militarily, its impossible to blow up every mountain, valley and cave.

Theres always going to be a hiding place, unlike the open flat deserts of other Middle eastern countries. In Vietnam it was jungle canopy that provided that same cover.

unwinnable wars dragging on endlessly, filling the industrial war machines coffers.

And you can't fix stupid btw.

Conquerors don't think about how they are going to control nations they conquer, they just conquer (go on "missions"). And thats their downfall, too much conquest. Stupid is as stupid does.

a reply to: yuppa

Also last i checked Greece was not responsible for these peoples situation.

Greece is a member of NATO. Their enormous debt is primarily due to the huge expenditures incurred building arms for that organization.

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Greece is more vulnerable to a flood of refugees because they are in a crisis themselves.

a reply to: Nikola014
Potential is enormous. Sleeper armies? Only time will tell.

On the other hand, in war torn regions, young males are the first to be forced into fighting or or killed if they don't comply. As long as the conflict continues, there is no peace for them just remaining in their homeland and 'looking for a job'.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: yuppa

Also last i checked Greece was not responsible for these peoples situation.

Greece is a member of NATO. Their enormous debt is primarily due to the huge expenditures incurred building arms for that organization.

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Greece is more vulnerable to a flood of refugees because they are in a crisis themselves.

Not every member of NATO participated in the AFghan situation or iraq.Greece didnt if i remember so they do not share anything but being a nato country. Also Grece didnt build the Coalitions weapons. their debt is from other places not related to the fake refugees seeking welfare and a free ride. Screw them send them back home to clean up their own mess.

Oh and Then you say something that was not even on what you quoted me about on the afghans. I was not talking about the terrorist in the mountains ordeserts. i was talking about the stupid army and government they have now. typical. they use up something then throw it away. None of the middle eastern countries are worth helping for the reason they are users and backstabbers.

a reply to: yuppa

Maybe if NATO stopped making those messes in their countries…

Are you willfully blind or just pretending?

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

The problem is quite dire at the moment. Everyday arriving in Greece almost 600-800 new immigrants. We can simply not cope with the current situation. Sure, we have financial crisis but its not the problem. The high volume of immigrants that coming in Greece everyday alone is the problem. We can process a certain amount of immigrants but currently there are over the top. In isle Kos alone there are about 7000 immigrants from which 2500 were moved to Peiraias Port.

The local Greek folk is currently helping them at most with food, clothes, children toys etc. Then we have the so called international amnesty that encourages the immigrants not to get registered because it takes time to get processed. All those immigrants are coming for the shores of Turkey. There are people there that making money. About 2000EUR/Person-Family is the cost for transportation to a Greek isle. Everyday about 600-800 arriving in Greece. You can do the calculation.
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It is a European problem and needs to be dealt such as. But as long the other countries are not want them so yeah...They are stuck in Greece. We cannot send them back and cannot send them to other countries. Shall we start stopping accepting them ? Shall we close our borders ? or shall we let them travel to other countries without been processed before ?

Some of the immigrants refusing to get registered. That is very dangerous. For example recently in Greece a known ISIS member by the name of Al Saleh got spotted on Kos. Apparently he deserted ISIS and his destination is holland.
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Both sources are in Greek sorry for that. But you can use google translator to get the meaning of it.

Peace

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: yuppa

Maybe if NATO stopped making those messes in their countries…

Are you willfully blind or just pretending?

Your posting history has shown a pure bias against anything not eastern. Youve been told numerous time that what one nato country does not all of them do in lockstep. That means its ONLY THE COUNTRIES directly INVOLVED that migth have caused a mess. ISIS is a Syrian/Iraqi mess. its all arabs and they arent in NATO. Go find me a NATO uniformed officer givign ISIS orders. its ok ill wait.

a reply to: yuppa

Your posting history has shown a pure bias against anything not eastern.

Anti war, thank you very much.

Like I said, your'e dual nature belies your position. Not wiling to help them, but destroying them is okay.