Biggest Gay Lobby Group in America Urges Schools to Ban Words ‘Boy’ and ‘Girl’

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Because Goldwater, Reagan and Bush went after the Southern (racist) votes?

Ever hear of the Dixiecrats?

Dix·ie·crat
ˈdiksēˌkrat/
nounUSinformal
plural noun: Dixiecrats

Any of the Southern Democrats who seceded from the party in 1948 in opposition to its policy of extending civil rights.

Ever hear of Lee Atwater?

Ever hear of The Southern Strategy?

What political "color" is every state of the old Confederacy?

Get real.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Reagan was a lifelong democrat who turned republican, but you actually think that he forgot all the democrat views he had? in fact, he once said "i didn't leave the democrat party, it left me".

Did you know that Hillary Clinton was once "supposedly" a republican?...

You will find people who were in either party later in life changed parties. But the suggestion of certain people that conservatives in general have been against civil rights is nothing more than a lie, an exaggeration. What conservatives have been against, same as people in other parties that are not leftist, is government controlling everything. Even if a person makes a decision which "in your view" is bad, it is the right of that person to make that bad decision.

You will find some conservatives who are against "certain" civil rights just like you can still find some democrats and even progressives that are against "certain civil rights". Heck in general the views of progressives is to have the state decide for the people and in their minds this is for the good of the people. This leads to having the opinions of the state above that of the individuals. "The people" are made up of individuals, when you put the views of the state, and the collective above the views of individuals you are in fact oppressing the people in general.

There has always been this belief amongst people in the left that it has been the left who "fought for civil rights and have been for the people" this isn't the truth.

Anyways, back to the discussion in this thread, some people seem to think that having the state decide for the people is good, instead of the people as individuals decide themselves. If history is to teach you anything, this has always led to dictatorial regimes. Even when such regimes claimed "it is for the good of all, to bring equality to all"...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Here's the OP: Biggest Gay Lobby Group in America Urges Schools to Ban Words ‘Boy’ and ‘Girl’

I am not going to discuss the Civil Rights in this thread.

But, as I was a senior in high school in 1964, it was a Real Time event for me. It was a very emotional and volatile time. More intense then Gay Equality ---- as children had to be escorted to school and back by armed National Guard.

I don't see where it has anything to do with using diversity pronouns in organizing groups of children.

originally posted by: alienjuggalo
I guess they should all go to the same bathroom and shower in gym class together as well?

I would have been all for that in High school..

The thought is if you had grown up around girls and taking showers with them, it wouldn't be taboo and wouldn't therefore sexual. The only reason you think it's is because you grew up with it being taboo. This thought is based on the fact in many cultures where woman don't hide their breasts and males grow up around this practice, breast aren't sexualized.

That's why some people are advocating that woman can be topless legally. With enough time, men won't sexualize breasts anymore.

Another thought is all of the movies and shows and books which glorify boobs sexually can be minimized. If it's minimized then there's less fuel for the sexualizing to maintain itself. Woman have to be seen as people, so anything in the mass media which reinforces is good.

The reason sexualizing is bad is because it causes sexual harassment and rape and other things. It objectifies woman which is a thought crime. The thought crime becomes a real crime, like sexual harassment.

originally posted by: Annee
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I don't see where it has anything to do with using diversity pronouns in organizing groups of children.

It has to do with the state deciding how children should be addressed, or that they should be in all inclusive groups with girls and boys together in all activities.

For crying out loud, didn't you see how gryphon stated and i quote...

originally posted by: Gryphon66
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What is the horror you folks have with shared bathrooms? Are you really that ... prudish?

Really... in the mind of some there is nothing wrong at all of having boys and girls who are from different families share the same bathroom... wow...

Yeah, having all inclusive groups keeping boys and girl together in all activities and having them share the same bathrooms is going to help them learn better...

Meanwhile it is ok to have boys and girls in all inclusive groups for "certain activities", it is a really bad idea to have them in all inclusive groups all the time. Or to have the state define that boys and girls shouldn't be called boys and girls.

a reply to: GENERAL EYES

NoNo NO brother and sister will not do it is to exclusive and someone might feel left out. Brother and sister is like boy or girl we need to rid our thinking of such divisive divisions.

Sorry for the ORGASMICSARCASIM

What a bunch of absolute nonsense.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: everyone

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

So, naturally I am quite furious when entities which claim to represent the gay rights community spew crap about how they have the right to dictate the views/language of others. Not only does this hurt their cause, angering people like myself, but it is blatant demonization of the NOT gay community. They are doing what they hate others doing!!!

Jesus Christ. The ignorance displayed on this thread is simply... unbelievable.

NO ONE has spewed any crap on their right to dictate the views/language of others. HRC has a group called "Welcoming Schools", with a website and regional counselors that schools, teachers and parents can use as a resource if they have kids with gender identity issues. The schools, teachers and parents GO TO THEM for help in dealing with these issues. It is strictly a voluntary deal, up to the free will of the school/teacher/parent. These are merely suggestions and helpful advice. If the school/parent/teacher tries them and finds it doesn't help - fine, they quit doing it. None of these suggestions are harmful in any way to any kid.

I suppose one thing that history shows us is that human stupidity is seemingly endless.

Yep.

What is helpfull about their advice to these schools?

Many schools/teachers find it helpful to learn ways to make sure no kid gets left out or bullied or stereotyped for being "different". You think it's better to allow or to even encourage bullying, or to make a kid feel bad?

I did not know that reffering to a boy or a girl as they are was a bad thing. When did that become a reality then?

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: everyone

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

So, naturally I am quite furious when entities which claim to represent the gay rights community spew crap about how they have the right to dictate the views/language of others. Not only does this hurt their cause, angering people like myself, but it is blatant demonization of the NOT gay community. They are doing what they hate others doing!!!

Jesus Christ. The ignorance displayed on this thread is simply... unbelievable.

NO ONE has spewed any crap on their right to dictate the views/language of others. HRC has a group called "Welcoming Schools", with a website and regional counselors that schools, teachers and parents can use as a resource if they have kids with gender identity issues. The schools, teachers and parents GO TO THEM for help in dealing with these issues. It is strictly a voluntary deal, up to the free will of the school/teacher/parent. These are merely suggestions and helpful advice. If the school/parent/teacher tries them and finds it doesn't help - fine, they quit doing it. None of these suggestions are harmful in any way to any kid.

I suppose one thing that history shows us is that human stupidity is seemingly endless.

Yep.

What is helpfull about their advice to these schools?

I can't believe this actually needs to be spelled out to people, I think many of you would benefit from going back to school yourselves.

Pay attention now class...

Schools are a place for learning, not a place for tribalism.
Schools are responsible for providing an equal opportunity of learning for all students.
Schools are required to offer a safe and secure environment in which children can learn comfortably in order to function well in society and secure a good future for themselves.

Your gender is NOT a defining factor of your ability to learn, to play sports, to be creative, to function in society, any more than being ginger or blond is, any more than being black or white is, any more than being gay or straight is.

By removing these tribal attitudes and assumptions about kids it helps to create a more equal and diverse environment for ALL kids, where their gender (or race, weight, color, sexuality, height) is not used to define them.

The fact that this needs to be spelled out for people perfectly displays the level of ignorance and knee-jerk nonsense we so often have to deal with on this forum. A simple move to improve things for the next generation is branded as being "political correctness gone mad!!!!!111111", when in reality it just once again shows that there is a hell of a lot of ignorance from people who are so conservative and stuck in their own ideas of how society should be they would stop the world tomorrow and end all societal evolution if they could.

Maybe what you all call "crazy political correctness" is just a sign that you're old, out of touch with the society around you, and completely lacking in any common sense or understanding of how societies EVOLVE?

I am out of touch with society because i dont see a problem in calling females female and males male? Genderles refferences is what you really call evolution?

I think the real evolution we are seeing here is a decline in IQ in general tbh.

originally posted by: angeldoll
It took us a while to call Blacks, Blacks, and Whites, Whites. When interracial births became commonplace we came up with a third option--- biracial.

We will come up with a suitable third name when it is wanted/needed. Until then, boys are boys, and girls are girls. Once they are old enough to identify with a specific gender, they can become that gender if they so choose.

In the meantime, this is food for thought.

One of the healtiest,sensible and reasonable posts in here i have seen in here so far.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The boys and girls ... ARE FROM DIFFERENT FAMILIES?

Oh my god, you didn't mention that!

That makes all the difference!

No more bathrooms in gas stations!

Oh, the horror!

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Jeez-louise come on.

Besides that's MY opinion, don't try to make anyone else responsible for it!

a reply to: everyone

If you think that changing the labels we call each other can be attributed to a loss in IQ then you don't know what IQ is.

a reply to: pfishy
The point you're eliding, deliberately or otherwise, is that the end product of transgenderism is indeed a boy / girl. Not in the biological sense, but they're nevertheless boys and girls. Yes -- they're "T-girls" or "FTM males" et al.. But, if the term boy and girl is to encompass both biological and non biological examples of these denominations, then secondary definitions need to be accepted.

Otherwise, it will be you who is shocked when the fille de joie you avail drops trou' and reveals a 'tail' you'll dare not tell your homophobe friends, even at your most soused keg night!

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
In most cases, a male is born a male and a female is born a female as biology dictates.

(Boldfaced and underscored for import)

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: everyone

If you think that changing the labels we call each other can be attributed to a loss in IQ then you don't know what IQ is.

Wanting to change the labels of boys and girls into "Purple pinguins" like the LGBT advises certaintly shows a decline in IQ.

Anyway. So if a brother and a sister go to one of those LGBT advised schools. They will not be reffered to as brother and sister anymore. They will just be purple pinguins to each other i suppose. This is per the advice. Kids will grow up thinking of themselves as purple pinguins.

Wil people who refer to themselves as male and female scare these children perhaps? Confuse them is extremely likely by the time they reach puberty.

Some people close their minds and just refuse to even try to understand what this is about.

But, progression will go on in spite of them.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Helious
a reply to: Annee

Which is fine. When and if somebody signs their child up for school who would like to be identified as something else, that's a discussion that can be had for that individual child. As for the rest of the kids, I think boys and girls work just fine, it's not accusatory.... It's just what they are.

Right.

Let's single that individual child out.

Right.

Let's just confuse and confound 98% of the Earths population so the other 2% don't feel different. We are not talking about discrimination, we are talking about calling boys..... Boys and girls..... Girls......

Give me a break.

originally posted by: Helious

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Helious
a reply to: Annee

Which is fine. When and if somebody signs their child up for school who would like to be identified as something else, that's a discussion that can be had for that individual child. As for the rest of the kids, I think boys and girls work just fine, it's not accusatory.... It's just what they are.

Right.

Let's single that individual child out.

We are not talking about discrimination, we are talking about calling boys..... Boys and girls..... Girls......

Actually NO.

But, I don't think you'll ever get past that.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Helious

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Helious
a reply to: Annee

Which is fine. When and if somebody signs their child up for school who would like to be identified as something else, that's a discussion that can be had for that individual child. As for the rest of the kids, I think boys and girls work just fine, it's not accusatory.... It's just what they are.

Right.

Let's single that individual child out.

We are not talking about discrimination, we are talking about calling boys..... Boys and girls..... Girls......

Actually NO.

But, I don't think you'll ever get past that.

No matter how much you fuss. Boys will never stop being boys and girls will never stop being girls. I imagine that thought kills you a little bit inside no?

Just call them "With" or "Withouts" Normally i just call them Lil Bastards