The Self-Delusion of Christians in Their Christianity: Let Us Count the Ways

a reply to: TombEscaper

Your optomism is noted and appreciated, but much needs to be done to ensure a "happy ending."

Indeed.
Like ---- doing away with all of the "organized" Abrahamic religions and their phony books that were written by men.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

It looks to me neither of you literally believe the Bible.

Lots of us don't 'literally believe the Bible'. Do you??? If so - WHY?

Is it still not obvious and clear to you that it was written by a bunch of men over several centuries, and has been (mis)translated by even more men than ever 'contributed' to it? Over thousands of years?

Seriously? You don't get that??

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Yes I literally believe the words of God as it stands in the Preserved Holy Bible.

the hand of men were used to pen but God gave the inspiration.

2Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

all men are sinners. all men can be cleansed from their sins spiritually through Christ. no man will be forced against his will to receive this washing. It is not a blanket that it covers all it only washes those who want to be cleaned.

the inside of my cup was made clean by Christ when he washed me in his blood the moment I believed he did so by his death upon the cross in my place.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have verses 9–20.

9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons. 10 She went and told those who had been with him and who were mourning and weeping. 11 When they heard that Jesus was alive and that she had seen him, they did not believe it.

12 Afterward Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking in the country. 13 These returned and reported it to the rest; but they did not believe them either.

14 Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen.

15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. 20 Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.

Mark 16:9-20 -- fake. Are they in your bible?

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: TombEscaper

Your optomism is noted and appreciated, but much needs to be done to ensure a "happy ending."

Indeed.
Like ---- doing away with all of the "organized" Abrahamic religions and their phony books that were written by men.

Well this is where many people "throw out the baby with the bathwater" when it comes to what we call the Bible. In spite of the ways in which mega-divided Christianity has butchered its Truth, let there be no mistake that it has been authored and assembled by a Cosmic Consciousness that transcends all human perception.

The ironic Truth of the Bible is that, when read from the proper perspective (which is now being unveiled to humanity), it essentially completely opposes everything that Mainstream Christianity believes it is saying - and it unquestionably condemns the Christian Empire.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

all men are sinners. all men can be cleansed from their sins spiritually through Christ. no man will be forced against his will to receive this washing. It is not a blanket that it covers all it only washes those who want to be cleaned.

the inside of my cup was made clean by Christ when he washed me in his blood the moment I believed he did so by his death upon the cross in my place.

Hi,

What you say about the necessity of Christ's "atoning" blood sacrifice has obviously been the foundation of the Christian religion for the last 2,000 years - and it is completely untrue. When read properly (NOT like a "history book), the Bible reveals this in an undeniable way; and also reveals that those who continue to believe and propagate such a notion will not reign with Christ, but will live "among the tombs" during the 1,000-year Kingdom.

originally posted by: Philippines
a reply to: ChesterJohn

The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have verses 9–20.

9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons. 10 She went and told those who had been with him and who were mourning and weeping. 11 When they heard that Jesus was alive and that she had seen him, they did not believe it.

12 Afterward Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking in the country. 13 These returned and reported it to the rest; but they did not believe them either.

14 Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen.

15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. 20 Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.

Mark 16:9-20 -- fake. Are they in your bible?

These verses WERE later added to the original manuscripts of Mark, but that does not make them "fake." They were put into the text through cosmic orchestration as a living prophecy showing that those who remain in Christianity will not reign with Christ.

originally posted by: TombEscaper
What you say about the necessity of Christ's "atoning" blood sacrifice has obviously been the foundation of the Christian religion for the last 2,000 years - and it is completely untrue.

Why should we take your word over God's?

He left us some pretty irrefutable credentials.

You gave us nothing more than an opinion.

The moniker 'TombEscaper' sounds nice and all...

But He actually demonstrated that His words were true by escaping the tomb.

What makes a person a true Christian, is the Lord Jesus Christ's blood which is applied when they are born again.

Without it, no one will make it to Heaven.

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins." -Colossians 1:14

Hebrews 9:22, "...without shedding of blood is no remission. (forgivness )"

“Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! John 1:29

"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot."
-1st Peter 1:18,19

...and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin" (1st John 1:7).

Dr. Percy Collett had an out of body experience when he went to heaven for 5 & 1/2 days.

One of the questions he was able to ask the Lord Jesus Christ was what happens when a person is actually born again...

Jesus answered him with this: "That is when the blood is applied".

Another smoking gun:

When the Ark of the Covenant was discovered in a cave directly below the site of the crucifixion, a dried pool of blood was found on top of the Mercy Seat with only 24 chromosomes, no other male human being has ever had this same chromosome count!

This is the main reason WHY the discovery of the Ark of the Covenant has been so viciously attacked and covered-up:

"The Ark of the Covenant was found in a cave 20 feet directly below the spot where Jesus was crucified. God intended for the blood of the Lamb to fall upon the Mercy Seat..."

Link

"And so it was that God the Father had rent the rocks to make a way for His Son's blood to flow down from the spear-wound, through the newly formed fissure onto the very Mercy Seat itself. Now just think about this for a moment. Jeremiah had deposited the Ark in the cave some six centuries B.C., with absolutely no knowledge of the events which were to occur on Good Friday.

The Romans who hacked out the post-holes had absolutely no knowledge of what lay beneath their feet, nor that they were positioning the CENTRAL hole in exactly the right place. And until the Lord had died, there was no way for blood to trickle down because there was no crack. But these Amazing coincidences actually happened.

Yes, they ARE coincidences, because everything had to COINCIDE exactly for it to happen, but there was never any human design - it was entirely the work of God in Heaven, who knew the end from the beginning, and arranged for it to happen in that way.

THE ARK OF THE COVENANT

"As they began viewing the cells under the microscope, they saw cells dividing before their eyes! They could tell it was human blood, but "This blood is alive!"

"They couldn't believe what they were seeing! They continued with their tests and found the blood to be unique from any other human blood!"

"With tears in their eyes they asked, "Whose blood is this?" Mr. Wyatt replied, "It is the blood of your Messiah." Then they asked who the Messiah was, and they began wailing and shouting. No other male human being has ever had this same chromosome count! Christ's blood is alive and unique to prove His divinity to the world before He returns to this earth." Source

The Blood of Jesus Christ is our stronghold. You cannot turn to it without a turn around. The Blood of Jesus Christ is my freedom ticket out of every pit of pity. It is the residential permit you need to be a citizen of heaven even on earth. It is your universal green card and even beyond. Your double blessing, promotion, glory are all attached to the Blood. You cannot be a saint without it.

Until you turn to the Blood of Jesus Christ as your stronghold, it cannot be your turn to truly shine. No matter what you have faced in life, it is not late today to turn it around with the Blood of Jesus in a mystery. In Leviticus, there is a great mystery of how the two birds were used. One was killed representing Jesus, while the living one was dipped in the blood of the one killed and released to the open field to fulfill its destiny and purpose. (Leviticus 14:6-7). This reveals your freedom and my freedom through the Blood of Jesus

Beloved, what you have just read is an undeniable proof that the Blood of Jesus Christ is not only real but the solution to all man’s problems. This testimony is used for the introduction of this little but powerful book on the mystery of the blood of Jesus because it is compact; it is total and says it all.

Jesus Christ granted this experience for the purpose made clear there, notably that His Blood is the solution to every problem. I mean every problem including the one you might have now or will ever have. He said, talking about the Lord of lords and the King of Kings, Jesus Christ, the Saviour, that she should go and tell His people that there is great power in His Blood which they should continually use. He said it three times with a loud voice. Also, He said, he poured His Blood on the cross for our sakes that we should continue to use it and all our problems will be solved.

The Mystery Of The Blood (DEAD LINK)

TL;DR your brand of self-delusion is bigger and badder than all the other brands of self-delusion.

a shiny turd is still a turd.

a reply to: TombEscaper

Well this is where many people "throw out the baby with the bathwater" when it comes to what we call the Bible. In spite of the ways in which mega-divided Christianity has butchered its Truth, let there be no mistake that it has been authored and assembled by a Cosmic Consciousness that transcends all human perception.

Yeah......


No.
It is ALL stuff that men wrote.
I'm fine with Cosmic Consciousness, really. That's what I got out of your OP. But - the Bible? No.

Just, no.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

2Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

No.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
The best Christians are the quiet ones. The ones who don't do it for the attention and the cookies. Their faith isn't a trophy or a badge, it doesn't need broadcasting. Like breathing. You don't have to yell every time you inhale to get the job done.

TzarChasm, are you now saying that not all Christians are worthy of belittlement? Good for you.

Perhaps also you might consider this about Jesus, it also says that "He opened not His mouth" as He was being beaten, but in His moment of being beaten and crucified, He did not utter a word. That says a lot for Him, and yet His example is louder than words.

But Jesus sure had a lot to say before that.

a reply to: WarminIndy

So why are Christians so quick to open their mouths when they feel they are being persecuted? They're supposed to emulate Jesus aren't they? Very very few do that.

This isn't directed at you, just a thought I had after reading your post.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: WarminIndy

So why are Christians so quick to open their mouths when they feel they are being persecuted? They're supposed to emulate Jesus aren't they? Very very few do that.

This isn't directed at you, just a thought I had after reading your post.

Some do feel that way. Yet, there are Christians in the world who are being killed for being Christian. I am sure they have every right to be defended for their civil rights as well, it is only the humane and fair thing to do.

But if anyone comes to any forum for the purpose of belittling or berating Christians just because it is fun, wouldn't that be in essence persecuting them verbally?

I will agree, there are personally some who do indeed need to be told to shut up because they are so annoying. Yet, if the purpose for someone to berate them simply because they don't like Christianity, then what does that mean?

We live in a world where we find it convenient as Westerners to belittle others because we don't really have it that bad, we aren't worried that someone is going to break into our homes and behead us, yet it is very real in other parts of the world. To deny that Christians are being persecuted elsewhere is demeaning to their own lives.

Do Christian lives matter?

Apparently there are a lot of people who think not, so they find the most convenient way to do it and that is on the internet, where they can hide their identity and say whatever they want, as though life is a WWE steel cage match or UFC match that everyone is free to smack down anyone they want.

But no, not all Christians are being persecuted, but some are. Maybe we should defend them as well?

Born again was used by Jesus and Peter only. It is under the Kingdom Gospel not the gospel of the grace of God. Paul said we are born of the Spirit no born again.

There are a few things Paul teaches one of which is we must rightly divide the word of truth. God rightly divided his word the Preserved Holy Bible to minister to three distinct people groups. In context it had to do with eating meat sacrificed to Idols by eating it knowingly that it had been. the offence is the eating of the meant not a mental or physical offence of any kind.

But the division of these groups is clear in God's eyes seeing he Inspired all Scriptures. 1Cor 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

If you fail to rightly divide you could be applying to one group something that was never meant to apply to them.

There are three distinct Gospels in the NT (use any Bible search program). The Gospel of the Kingdom which was promised to the Jews is for the Jews, the Eternal Gospel for the Gentiles, and the Gospel of the grace of God for the church of God. I became the church of God when I heard the Gospel of the grace of God that came through Paul. the other two Gospel will not save in this age. but they will be at work again in the future.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Born again was used by Jesus and Peter only. It is under the Kingdom Gospel not the gospel of the grace of God. Paul said we are born of the Spirit no born again.

There are a few things Paul teaches one of which is we must rightly divide the word of truth. God rightly divided his word the Preserved Holy Bible to minister to three distinct people groups. In context it had to do with eating meat sacrificed to Idols by eating it knowingly that it had been. the offence is the eating of the meant not a mental or physical offence of any kind.

But the division of these groups is clear in God's eyes seeing he Inspired all Scriptures. 1Cor 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

If you fail to rightly divide you could be applying to one group something that was never meant to apply to them.

There are three distinct Gospels in the NT (use any Bible search program). The Gospel of the Kingdom which was promised to the Jews is for the Jews, the Eternal Gospel for the Gentiles, and the Gospel of the grace of God for the church of God. I became the church of God when I heard the Gospel of the grace of God that came through Paul. the other two Gospel will not save in this age. but they will be at work again in the future.

What about Jewish converts to Christianity?

Are you assuming that all Christians were gentiles?

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: TombEscaper

Well this is where many people "throw out the baby with the bathwater" when it comes to what we call the Bible. In spite of the ways in which mega-divided Christianity has butchered its Truth, let there be no mistake that it has been authored and assembled by a Cosmic Consciousness that transcends all human perception.

Yeah......


No.
It is ALL stuff that men wrote.
I'm fine with Cosmic Consciousness, really. That's what I got out of your OP. But - the Bible? No.

Just, no.

Yes, BuzzyWigs. Yes. Don't let the corruption that has happened to and through the Bible to cloud your judgment of that transcendent opus given to mankind for furthering cosmic evolution. The divine orchestration of the Bible can be proven beyond all doubt.

a reply to: WarminIndy the church of God is made up of both saved Jews and Gentiles. the two classed of Jews and Gentiles are unsaved.

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: TombEscaper
What you say about the necessity of Christ's "atoning" blood sacrifice has obviously been the foundation of the Christian religion for the last 2,000 years - and it is completely untrue.

Why should we take your word over God's?

He left us some pretty irrefutable credentials.

You gave us nothing more than an opinion.

The moniker 'TombEscaper' sounds nice and all...

But He actually demonstrated that His words were true by escaping the tomb.

What makes a person a true Christian, is the Lord Jesus Christ's blood which is applied when they are born again.

Without it, no one will make it to Heaven.

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins." -Colossians 1:14

Hebrews 9:22, "...without shedding of blood is no remission. (forgivness )"

“Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! John 1:29

"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot."
-1st Peter 1:18,19

...and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin" (1st John 1:7).

Dr. Percy Collett had an out of body experience when he went to heaven for 5 & 1/2 days.

One of the questions he was able to ask the Lord Jesus Christ was what happens when a person is actually born again...

Jesus answered him with this: "That is when the blood is applied".

Another smoking gun:

When the Ark of the Covenant was discovered in a cave directly below the site of the crucifixion, a dried pool of blood was found on top of the Mercy Seat with only 24 chromosomes, no other male human being has ever had this same chromosome count!

This is the main reason WHY the discovery of the Ark of the Covenant has been so viciously attacked and covered-up:

"The Ark of the Covenant was found in a cave 20 feet directly below the spot where Jesus was crucified. God intended for the blood of the Lamb to fall upon the Mercy Seat..."

Link

"And so it was that God the Father had rent the rocks to make a way for His Son's blood to flow down from the spear-wound, through the newly formed fissure onto the very Mercy Seat itself. Now just think about this for a moment. Jeremiah had deposited the Ark in the cave some six centuries B.C., with absolutely no knowledge of the events which were to occur on Good Friday.

The Romans who hacked out the post-holes had absolutely no knowledge of what lay beneath their feet, nor that they were positioning the CENTRAL hole in exactly the right place. And until the Lord had died, there was no way for blood to trickle down because there was no crack. But these Amazing coincidences actually happened.

Yes, they ARE coincidences, because everything had to COINCIDE exactly for it to happen, but there was never any human design - it was entirely the work of God in Heaven, who knew the end from the beginning, and arranged for it to happen in that way.

THE ARK OF THE COVENANT

"As they began viewing the cells under the microscope, they saw cells dividing before their eyes! They could tell it was human blood, but "This blood is alive!"

"They couldn't believe what they were seeing! They continued with their tests and found the blood to be unique from any other human blood!"

"With tears in their eyes they asked, "Whose blood is this?" Mr. Wyatt replied, "It is the blood of your Messiah." Then they asked who the Messiah was, and they began wailing and shouting. No other male human being has ever had this same chromosome count! Christ's blood is alive and unique to prove His divinity to the world before He returns to this earth." Source

The Blood of Jesus Christ is our stronghold. You cannot turn to it without a turn around. The Blood of Jesus Christ is my freedom ticket out of every pit of pity. It is the residential permit you need to be a citizen of heaven even on earth. It is your universal green card and even beyond. Your double blessing, promotion, glory are all attached to the Blood. You cannot be a saint without it.

Until you turn to the Blood of Jesus Christ as your stronghold, it cannot be your turn to truly shine. No matter what you have faced in life, it is not late today to turn it around with the Blood of Jesus in a mystery. In Leviticus, there is a great mystery of how the two birds were used. One was killed representing Jesus, while the living one was dipped in the blood of the one killed and released to the open field to fulfill its destiny and purpose. (Leviticus 14:6-7). This reveals your freedom and my freedom through the Blood of Jesus

Beloved, what you have just read is an undeniable proof that the Blood of Jesus Christ is not only real but the solution to all man’s problems. This testimony is used for the introduction of this little but powerful book on the mystery of the blood of Jesus because it is compact; it is total and says it all.

Jesus Christ granted this experience for the purpose made clear there, notably that His Blood is the solution to every problem. I mean every problem including the one you might have now or will ever have. He said, talking about the Lord of lords and the King of Kings, Jesus Christ, the Saviour, that she should go and tell His people that there is great power in His Blood which they should continually use. He said it three times with a loud voice. Also, He said, he poured His Blood on the cross for our sakes that we should continue to use it and all our problems will be solved.

The Mystery Of The Blood (DEAD LINK)

You say He "demonstrated" something that cannot be proven in any credible way. There is no way to "prove" that Jesus existed at all, let alone resurrected from the grave. But His resurrection CAN be proven in the "now" moment by those who claim to be His "Body" awakening from their slumber and experiencing His resurrection WITHIN. And to do this, they must come out of the tomb of Christianity.