Vatican Very Concerned About The 1500-year-old Bible

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: yuppa
Considering the romans kept execution records that contradicts barabus.

They do? There aren't even execution records of Jesus, how can they conflict with this account?

In Judaea on Passover at about 31 AD Pontius Pilate* (Rom. Gov. of Judaea 26-36 AD) had Jesus of Nazareth crucified as a criminal of Rome. Although the death of Jesus is mentioned in ancient sources outside of the Bible, the details of the crucifixion and the events surrounding his death and resurrection are mentioned only in the Bible. The Bible reveals that Jesus ' death was planned by the Jewish authorities, and because they did not have power to put to death a condemned criminal they turned him over to the Romans for execution.

ALthough the records of Flavius Josephus contain references to Jesus outside the bible.

ANd Krazy the barnabus was written 500 yrs later its entirely possible that he used the Bible as a base to give his forgery soem legitimacy.

a reply to: yuppa

Name one authentic "ancient source" that mentions the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth, aka, Christ, outside of the Bible (and religious works by others).

I should have also said "that isn't a known or suspected forgery."

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: yuppa
Considering the romans kept execution records that contradicts barabus.

They do? There aren't even execution records of Jesus, how can they conflict with this account?

In Judaea on Passover at about 31 AD Pontius Pilate* (Rom. Gov. of Judaea 26-36 AD) had Jesus of Nazareth crucified as a criminal of Rome. Although the death of Jesus is mentioned in ancient sources outside of the Bible, the details of the crucifixion and the events surrounding his death and resurrection are mentioned only in the Bible. The Bible reveals that Jesus ' death was planned by the Jewish authorities, and because they did not have power to put to death a condemned criminal they turned him over to the Romans for execution.

That isn't official Roman records though, which was part of your original claim of the records contradicting.

ALthough the records of Flavius Josephus contain references to Jesus outside the bible.

Even IF the Josephus account is talking about Jesus (which I HIGHLY doubt it is and it is likely a forgery), it isn't an official record of the execution.

ANd Krazy the barnabus was written 500 yrs later its entirely possible that he used the Bible as a base to give his forgery soem legitimacy.

So? All the Gospels were written years after Jesus lived. Why are THEY more trustworthy than this account?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: yuppa

Name one authentic "ancient source" that mentions the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth, aka, Christ, outside of the Bible (and religious works by others).

I should have also said "that isn't a known or suspected forgery."

First you didnt ask me to begin with Krazyshot did. Turns out record keeping back then was not a s thorough as i was lead to believe. One reason is the romans killed so many and didnt consider them worth mentioning.

@Krazyshot. The barnabus was written in ITALIAN nothing from Barnabus was translated previously from hebrew or any languages spoken in th emid east. The reason th evatican is up in arms is they are trying to stop Dis info(which would also hurt the bank book zing)

originally posted by: yuppa
@Krazyshot. The barnabus was written in ITALIAN nothing from Barnabus was translated previously from hebrew or any languages spoken in th emid east. The reason th evatican is up in arms is they are trying to stop Dis info(which would also hurt the bank book zing)

Well the original Gospels were written in Greek. So why is Greek a credible language for original authorship, but not Italian? I mean, to me, everything you are saying are just points that make the original Gospels just as unlikely to be true accounts of the past as this Gospel. So if the Gospel of Barnabus is supposedly not good enough, then the ACTUAL Gospels are just as invalid.

a reply to: PMNilsson

lol , yeah so the hair that they have and his body and all his effects are jut all made up right ?

can you provide proof that he didn't exist ?

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: PMNilsson

lol , yeah so the hair that they have and his body and all his effects are jut all made up right ?

can you provide proof that he didn't exist ?

Can you provide proof the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't and has never existed?

a reply to: yuppa

Does the person who asked you change the facts somehow? No? Okay then,

Good enough. Thank you for your retraction that there are Roman records of the Christian Crucifixion.

As far as the other being merely a "Muslim forgery" ... well, maybe so but there are Christian textual witnesses as well.

A "Gospel according to Barnabas" is mentioned in two early Christian lists of apocryphal works: the Latin Decretum Gelasianum (6th century), as well as a 7th-century Greek List of the Sixty Books. These lists are independent witnesses. In 1698 John Ernest Grabe found an otherwise unreported saying of Jesus, attributed to the Apostle Barnabas, amongst the Greek manuscripts in the Baroccian collection in the Bodleian Library; which he speculated might be a quotation from this lost gospel.

Gospel of Barnabas (Wiki)

Although in the copy under discussion, Jesus refers to Muhammed by name ... suggesting to most an Islamic "influence" at least.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
I guess if what you have been selling is proved to be nothing but lies, then they would have great concern indeed.

As for Jesus ascending to Heaven whilst still alive, doesn't the version we have been reading all these years claim that anyway? Okay, he died and was resurrected, but he was alive when he ascended.

Either way, Jesus appears to be a real person according to both books.

It would put a severe damper on the Easter festivities of many countries. And there would be no more passion play...

a reply to: Sremmos80

I thought something was up when I read that line. Thanks for pointing this out.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: PMNilsson

lol , yeah so the hair that they have and his body and all his effects are jut all made up right ?

can you provide proof that he didn't exist ?

Can you provide proof the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't and has never existed?

Can you ?

That disk in the sky is obviously either a bird or a drop of water on the lens, and the rays of light are solar flare...oh, wait...

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: PMNilsson

lol , yeah so the hair that they have and his body and all his effects are jut all made up right ?

can you provide proof that he didn't exist ?

Can you provide proof the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't and has never existed?

Can you ?

Ever heard of the null hypothesis? aka the "ground zero" of any scientific study, before you even connect a cause to an effect. Basically says that until two events are proven to be connected, it is assumed they are not. The opposite of theology, essentially. To overturn this hypothesis, well, you gotta test it, right?

Your turn.

I remember studying this book back in 2000. It's clearly a very desperate attempt to try and prove that Jesus didn't die on the cross. Unfortunately for them the Quran does not agree with that.

"O Jesus, I will cause you to die, and exalt you to My presence, and clear you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve till the day of Judgment." (3:54)

"And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them" (4:159)

There are other verses which speak about his death, but those are the only ones I can remember right now.

Another problem is that we have the "Epistle of Barnabas" written between AD 70 and 135 and "Acts of Barnabas written sometime after 431 which make no such claim regarding Muhammad.

A very bad attempt if you ask me.

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Indeed. And. Most likely Barnabas didn't write the book, but the book has been dedicated to his honor. Most of these books were dedicated to some favorite saint or churchfather, the names we have today for the books of the bible, they are later dedications, so in a way the books are often psudepigrapha.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
I remember studying this book back in 2000. It's clearly a very desperate attempt to try and prove that Jesus didn't die on the cross. Unfortunately for them the Quran does not agree with that.

"O Jesus, I will cause you to die, and exalt you to My presence, and clear you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve till the day of Judgment." (3:54)

"And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them" (4:159)

There are other verses which speak about his death, but those are the only ones I can remember right now.

Another problem is that we have the "Epistle of Barnabas" written between AD 70 and 135 and "Acts of Barnabas written sometime after 431 which make no such claim regarding Muhammad.

A very bad attempt if you ask me.

"Attempt" ... by whom?

a reply to: Triton1128

Gee, Its found in a Islamic country and the Vatican now speak up to make it seem authentic lol. I see a Huge agenda here.

The Islamic's have been spouting this for 600 years do to their whole Muhammad the axe murderer is the messiah fairytale. Now here comes the Vatican and their E.T. is real crowd to help promote the idea as well. Instead of coming straight out and telling people the truth, that this so called new find is a made up fraud.

a reply to: yuppa

First you didnt ask me to begin with Krazyshot did. Turns out record keeping back then was not a s thorough as i was lead to believe. One reason is the romans killed so many and didnt consider them worth mentioning.

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The Roman people sought in every way to make their lives comfortable, although most of their industry and machinery was powered by slaves and animals, not by motors and engines as today. But one of the greatest innovations of the ancient Romans was the collection of governmental documents in archives.

Tax records, records of land ownership, public decrees, and many other documents were carefully recorded on papyrus, vellum, and parchment. These ancient documents were stored away for posterity but when the Roman way of life began to crumble due to civil war and barbarian invasions most of the ancient archives were plundered, destroyed, or allowed to rot away. Today only a small percentage of Roman documents still exist.
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originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: PMNilsson

lol , yeah so the hair that they have and his body and all his effects are jut all made up right ?

can you provide proof that he didn't exist ?

Can you provide proof the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't and has never existed?

You know there is a record of Jesus being alive on Earth? Whether you want to believe the thousands that can attest to his life is your choice! Best of luck! I will believe thousands before I believe YOU!

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: PMNilsson

lol , yeah so the hair that they have and his body and all his effects are jut all made up right ?

can you provide proof that he didn't exist ?

Can you provide proof the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't and has never existed?

You know there is a record of Jesus being alive on Earth? Whether you want to believe the thousands that can attest to his life is your choice! Best of luck! I will believe thousands before I believe YOU!

It wouldn't be the first time the masses were duped through the machinations of politics.