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originally posted by: Kapusta
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Kapusta
ALL false sects of Judaism and Christianity as well as religions formed after 550AD are based on the same premise, that the Bible is corrupted. Not one believed God could keep his word as found in Psalm 12:6,7 to preserve his words to all generations.
However God is strong enough and has preserved it in one of the over 350 English versions today. Only those who seek the truth will find that one Bible which stands above all others in comparison.
Ill take my One original Quran over your 350 versions of of the bible
can you find me an original bible ?
Ill take my One original Quran over your 350 versions of of the bible
can you find me an original bible ?
I cannot find one thing original in the Qur'an as I wrote in my own blog but what surprises me is that there are those who argue that the "borrowing" is minimal and advances the cause of religion--while the Qur'an rejects religious, human, and civil rights. This is crass at best. ~ Dr Arthur Frederick Ide
Islam's Plagiarized Christian Origins
The writers of the Islamic scripture were not actually stupid or ignorant people who attempted to create a fiction in order to challenge basic Christian tenets. They considered themselves crafty enough to copy from Christian scripture in order to promote their counter teachings in accordance with Muhammad’s new doctrine and ideology. Plagiarism from Christian writings was a necessity as well as the systematic distortion of those sources.
answering-islam.org...
Surah 18 is a brilliant and outstanding chapter of the Islamic scripture as it displays Mohammad’s talents for plagiarizing pre-Islamic stories and adapting them to his nascent ideology named Islam. The first of the three narratives in Surah 18 is also of great value for the critique of Islam since it presents Mohammad as a confused story teller who reluctantly conceded defeat in his fight against numerical controversies and other disagreements stemming from the different versions of the same story.
The analysis of the account of the sleepers in the cave, which gave the 18th chapter the name Al-Kahf, reveals some mysterious ties Mohammad made up between the story of the sleeping youths and the Arabic Gospel of Infancy, another pre-Islamic and non-canonical Christian scripture. Consequently, Mohammad is seen as an incompetent figure that resorted to double plagiarism while trying to relate a prominent legendary story of Christian martyrdom. As a matter of irony, the more Mohammad tried to make his new version of the original story pass as purely divine revelation, the more he exposed his confusion and ignorance.
answering-islam.org...
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Ill take my One original Quran over your 350 versions of of the bible
can you find me an original bible ?
You have one problem. You don't have an original Quran. The originals were written on leaves and skins
Which are long gone and lost. What you have is a copy the original Quran is long gone. The question is how can you know it is an exact copy word for word if the originals are lost?
You can't
originally posted by: JimNasium
a reply to: [post=19647252]Kapusta
Would you think it odd if Hafiz said,
“I am in love with every church
And mosque
And temple
And any kind of shrine
Because I know it is there
That people say the different names
Of the One God.”
originally posted by: gosseyn
So far, no one has said anything relevant regarding the OP, 48 posts and not one on topic response..
let us not forget that slavery is well established in Judaism and Christianity, where it has taken unjust forms. They have many books which discuss that in detail and condone it. Ruling on Slavery in Islam
No human being has the right to restrict this freedom or take away that choice unlawfully; whoever dares to do that is a wrongdoer and oppressor. This is one of the basic principles of Islam.
Muhammad the son of ‘Abd Allah, the Messenger of Allah, and careful guardian of the whole world; has written the present instrument to all those who are in his national people, and of his own religion, as a secure and positive promise to be accomplished to the Christian nation, and relations of the Nazarene, whosoever they may be, whether they be the noble or the vulgar, the honorable or otherwise, saying thus.I. Whosoever of my nation shall presume to break my promise and oath, which is contained in this present agreement, destroys the promise of God, acts contrary to the oath, and will be a resister of the faith, (which God forbid) for he becomes worthy of the curse, whether he be the King himself, or a poor man, or whatever person he may be. That whenever any of the monks in his travels shall happen to settle upon any mountain, hill, village, or other habitable place, on the sea, or in deserts, or in any convent, church, or house of prayer, I shall be in the midst of them, as the preserver and protector of them, their goods and effects, with my soul, aid, and protection, jointly with all my national people; because they are a part of my own people, and an honor to me. Moreover, I command all officers not to require any poll-tax on them, or any other tribute, because they shall not be forced or compelled to anything of this kind. None shall presume to change their judges or governors, but they shall remain in their office, without being deported. No one shall molest them when they are travelling on the road. Whatever churches they are possessed of, no one is to deprive them of them. Whosoever shall annul any of one of these my decrees, let him know positively that he annuls the ordinance of God. Moreover, neither their judges, governors, monks, servants, disciples, or any others depending on them, shall pay any poll-tax, or be molested on that account, because I am their protector, wherever they shall be, either by land or sea, east or west, north or south; because both they and all that belong to them are included in this my promissory oath and patent. And of those that live quietly and solitary upon the mountains, they shall exact neither poll-tax nor tithes from their incomes, neither shall any Muslim partake of what they have; for they labor only to maintain themselves. Whenever the crop of the earth shall be plentiful in its due time, the inhabitants shall be obliged out of every bushel to give them a certain measure. Neither in time of war shall they take them out of their habitations, nor compel them to go to the wars, nor even then shall they require of them any poll-tax. In these eleven chapters is to be found whatever relates to the monks, as to the remaining seven chapters, they direct what relates to every Christian. Those Christians who are inhabitants, and with their riches and traffic are able to pay the poll-tax, shall pay no more than twelve drachms. Excepting this, nothing shall be required of them, according to the express order of God, that says, ‘Do not molest those that have a veneration for the books that are sent from God, but rather in a kind manner' [29:46]. Give of your good things to them, and converse with them, and hinder everyone from molesting them. If a Christian woman shall happen to marry a Muslim man, the Muslim shall not cross the inclination of his wife, to keep her from her church and prayers, and the practice of her religion. That no person hinder them from repairing their churches. Whosoever acts contrary to my grant, or gives credit to anything contrary to it, becomes truly an apostate to God, and to his divine apostle, because this protection I have granted to them according to this promise. No one shall bear arms against them, but, on the contrary, the Muslims shall wage war for them. And by this I ordain, that none of my nation shall presume to do or act contrary to this my promise, until the end of the world.
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Kapusta
still doesn't mean they got it right as it was handed down. Memories fail and interpretations take over when one memorizes. You system relies on man getting the Quran right, while claiming man corrupted the Bible. Good luck with that, as there are 8 different versions of the Quran and each sect interprets them differently. I forget the web site but one man has a few copies of the Quran dating from teh early 1700's to the modern versions and they are different.
But God Preserved the Holy Bible to every Generation and it is available for you to hold in your hands all the words of God just as he inspired them in the originals.