theory on the origins of Islam

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: TheChrome


Indeed

I have heard this before , Is this an Orthodox understanding ?

No. I am a firm believer that there are only around 8 million Christians on the earth. We stand alone. United. In every nation.

originally posted by: TheChrome

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: TheChrome


Indeed

I have heard this before , Is this an Orthodox understanding ?

No. I am a firm believer that there are only around 8 million Christians on the earth. We stand alone. United. In every nation.

I am interested JW?

originally posted by: TheChrome

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: TheChrome


Indeed

I have heard this before , Is this an Orthodox understanding ?

No. I am a firm believer that there are only around 8 million Christians on the earth. We stand alone. United. In every nation.

If you minus the Catholics which many are not really saved you might even get less

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Note the differences . Now using the Dead sea scrolls and The Septuagint and using a little common sense we can determine which one is more accurate . It also tells us that yes there was some changes that were made in the The Masoretic Text .

Not wanting to discourage you but my understanding of the Septuagint is that it is a Tanakh with a lot of evidence that it is a false Torah. The book of Isaiah was found to be almost if not complete among the dead sea scrolls (cave number 4) ,and does verify the Masoretic texts as being very accurate. The Septuagint that you see today is not the so called original Septuagint Texts from Greek to English. There are about five or six Septuagint versions in use today. Read the following source--
www.chick.com...

truthfully speaking the origin and separation of Islam & Judaism. Both sects were fathered by Abraham.

Abraham being the father of Islam, through Ismael, his bastard son he had with his handmaid, while Judaism was founded through Isaac, his son that was promised to him through Sarah his wife.

If you minus the Catholics which many are not really saved you might even get less

based on the similarities of Catholics structure and structure based in biblical teaching i would be one to say that of all the denominations, that those who practice their traditions accurately and correctly only Catholics can say without a doubt that they will go to heaven, while other denominations (highest offender the baptist church) will most likely be on the "broad road to destruction"

originally posted by: stuncrazy
truthfully speaking the origin and separation of Islam & Judaism. Both sects were fathered by Abraham.

Abraham being the father of Islam, through Ismael, his bastard son he had with his handmaid, while Judaism was founded through Isaac, his son that was promised to him through Sarah his wife.

If son with a maid is a bastard then son with one's own sister is even a bigger bastard I guess.


Genesis 20


2....and there Abraham said of his wife Sarah, “She is my sister.”

5....Did he not say to me, ‘She is my sister,’ and didn’t she also say, ‘He is my brother’?


She may just be his half sister as he clarifies later in verse 12


12...Besides, she really is my sister, the daughter of my father though not of my mother; and she became my wife.


But even then the Deuteronomy 27:22 says....


Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.


I know the thread is about the origins of Islam, I am not trying to derail it but just playing my part to deny ignorance besides, its enough porn for my appetite anyway, I am out.

a reply to: Unlettered

a bastard is a child born out of wedlock. so yea i guess you're true, but i don't know what that has to do with the point at hand

originally posted by: stuncrazy
a reply to: Unlettered

a bastard is a child born out of wedlock.

Offspring with a concubine is suppose to be legitimate child, not bastard.

en.wikipedia.org...

but i don't know what that has to do with the point at hand

Exactly, whats the point? unless you're implying that the only way forward to succession is via incest or interbreeding.

a reply to: Unlettered

John Snow was the bastard child of Eddard Stark because he was born of a concubine

originally posted by: gosseyn
Édouard-Marie Gallez, who is a Christian theologian and teacher at the university of Strasbourg in France, has a theory on the origins of Islam. I am going to synthesize a lot and then if you're interested to know more you can go read his website where there are some articles in English.

According to his research, there were 3 groups : The Jews, who regarded Jesus as a scam, then the group who accepted Jesus as the messiah, and then a 3rd group which he calls "judeo-nazareans" that didn't accept Jesus because they wanted a real down to Earth messiah, a real incarnation that would create the realm of God here and now on Earth. What this 3rd group did was to look for allies, and their closest neighbour were the tribes of Arabia, so they slowly made allies of them, and finally converted them to their views. That is why for example Jesus is mentioned many more times than Muhammad in the Quran.

That's about all. He gives historical references to prove his point. There are some audio interviews in which he speaks about his research ( www.youtube.com... ), but unfortunately it's in French like almost all his work.

Here is the English version of his website rootsofislamtruehistory.com...

Tell me what you think.

I haven't read the entire thread, so forgive me if it is a repost, but some recently discovered fragments of the Quran, some people are saying predate Muhammad and the establishment of Islam. I don't always think dating methods are 100% accurate, people make similar claims about the bible, but it is an interesting article.

www.msn.com...

Considering everything that the three Abrahamic
religions have done to this world,
i can logically come to only one conclusion that is
spiritually and morally correct:

Hail Satan.