Planned Parenthood is Not Selling Baby Parts, You @!#$ing Idiots

I find it hilarious the people fighting against abortion are also the same people who have no issue with killing another human being over such things as trespassing, stealing a tv, suggestive movements or cops killing people out of what ifs..

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: mOjOm

Salon is reasonable and logical?

Someone must have stolen your account.

You sound unbalanced.

As if I don't sound unbalanced anyway???

What was written was reasonable, I don't care who said it.

originally posted by: links234
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Via skepchick.org

3% of all Planned Parenthood’s activities are abortions, and more than 90% of those are in the first trimester when it’s about size of a kidney bean, so they do see some pieces of fetal tissue. Which are just going to be thrown away in the garbage, but which the patient can instead choose to donate to important medical research.

This is more or less the exact train of thought I had when I heard about the first video being released. Moreover, the anti-choice side of the argument is going back to their roots using the 'ick factor.' I'm sure you've seen them, the protest signs with what appear to be aborted fetuses. Now they've come to the digital age with video and well-edited commentary.

They're playing on the 'ick factor,' if you get squeamish at the sight of blood or the thought of medical procedures then you're the crowd they're looking for.

The 'anti choice' side of the argument? Really?

It's called 'pro life'. Let's be clear about this. It has nothing to do with choice, or the mothers rights, or the mothers body or people messed up sense of political correctness.

It is about the MURDER of MILLIONS of BABIES.

According to WHO there will be an estimated 40-50 MILLION abortions worldwide this year. That's about 125,000 murders every DAY.

If our society doesn't have an issue with the dismemberment and murder of MILLIONS of innocent lives every year, then this world is surely a lost cause.

NO, I am NOT some radical, stupid woman waving a sign. I am an intelligent, educated and compassionate person who isn't blinded or brainwashed by this god-awful, twisted and sick world we have created and will have to ultimately answer for.

originally posted by: Nyiah
You completely sidestepped what I asked, which tells me you're allowing yourself to be lead by the proverbial short & curlies emotionally. Be objective. I ask again, and expect an answer this time -- would you be equally pissy over donated natural abortions, otherwise called miscarriages? If yes, do explain that one. I'd like to know why you'd prefer something go to waste and not be used to help others.

When we give the aborted fetus market value then it becomes a commodity. A kidney-sized "it." Fodder for the privileged, such as yourself, to pretend and somehow fantasize that abortions are useful for the betterment of mankind. How noble.

originally posted by: krosnos
I find it hilarious the people fighting against abortion are also the same people who have no issue with killing another human being over such things as trespassing, stealing a tv, suggestive movements or cops killing people out of what ifs..

They really love killing innocent animals too!!

I've heard Lions are high up on their list!!

a reply to: westcoast

Pro-choice does not preclude pro-life.

The same can't be said for the other.

Guess as Americans have gone more pro-choice for the first time in seven years, as of May, these people and Congress needed step up their game.

It's a vote grabber. When it shouldn't be a political issue at all, but a moral one, of personal responsibility.


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And in conclusion, even if abortion were "outlawed" that there more than likely won't be any more or less newborns. Again, women who do not want to carry to term will not. They will find a way, as they are already have in Texas and in countries that have already gone through this.

Or...this will increase...

WHO also reports that 21.6 million women experience an unsafe abortion worldwide each year; 18.5 million of these occur in developing countries. And 47 000 women die from complications of unsafe abortion each year.

But that part, and those lives don't f*cking matter, right?

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: Nyiah
You completely sidestepped what I asked, which tells me you're allowing yourself to be lead by the proverbial short & curlies emotionally. Be objective. I ask again, and expect an answer this time -- would you be equally pissy over donated natural abortions, otherwise called miscarriages? If yes, do explain that one. I'd like to know why you'd prefer something go to waste and not be used to help others.

When we give the aborted fetus market value then it becomes a commodity. A kidney-sized "it." Fodder for the privileged, such as yourself, to pretend and somehow fantasize that abortions are useful for the betterment of mankind. How noble.

You appear to have some issues in coping with the reality of scientific research. The part that comes before? None of your or the government's business to legislate morality or personal decisions.

Sounds like personal issue to me.

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: links234

"...IT'S about the size of a kidney bean." "It."

Notice how they're dehumanizing these babies by claiming they're only the size of a kidney bean during the first trimester?

Sure at some point during the first trimester they are the size of a kidney bean, but by the end of the first trimester they are the size of a lime and undeniably human beings.

a reply to: The GUT

It refers to a fine line between refuse or market value.

Isn't that what you want though? Instead of women donating their aborted remnants, in the various states and conditions as they may be acquired, you'd rather that they be tossed in with tonsils and kidney stones to be incinerated.

Or do want the fetal tissues, and such, named post mortem to give then an identity?

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: Nyiah
You completely sidestepped what I asked, which tells me you're allowing yourself to be lead by the proverbial short & curlies emotionally. Be objective. I ask again, and expect an answer this time -- would you be equally pissy over donated natural abortions, otherwise called miscarriages? If yes, do explain that one. I'd like to know why you'd prefer something go to waste and not be used to help others.

When we give the aborted fetus market value then it becomes a commodity. A kidney-sized "it." Fodder for the privileged, such as yourself, to pretend and somehow fantasize that abortions are useful for the betterment of mankind. How noble.

So, in your mind, there's zero use for the tissues regardless of the cause of death, thus don't bother.

Are you a relic of the Dark Ages & it's anti-science drivel?

Edit: And I notice you sidestepped my question a second time. I'm going with the above, you make it abundantly clear that human tissues are useless in your little world. Makes me wonder about your stance on donating bodies & organs to science.

a reply to: Bone75

Since you admitted to being a racist on another thread, you do know some of those aborted are black babies...thought you would be happy bout that..

a reply to: westcoast

Im with you but long gone are the days of abortion only in case of incest,congentital,genetic or terminal illness,or lethal complications to the mother,screw around get pregnant,get it ripped out and repeat is now called a womans right to control her body,it used to be called sin.

Sin now theres a word you dont see much anymore,O well we now have a statue of the devil in Detroit,not long now before the fires and human sacrifices probably...flame away

a reply to: Bone75

Notice how they're dehumanizing these babies by claiming they're only the size of a kidney bean during the first trimester?

Oh for crying out loud! A human embryo isn't a person. Human fetuses aren't people. An acorn isn't an oak tree.

There is no tiny kidney sized person in a woman's womb, there is a developing human life with the potential of becoming a person.

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: westcoast

Im with you but long gone are the days of abortion only in case of incest,congentital,genetic or terminal illness,or lethal complications to the mother,screw around get pregnant,get it ripped out and repeat is now called a womans right to control her body,it used to be called sin.

Sin now theres a word you dont see much anymore,O well we now have a statue of the devil in Detroit,not long now before the fires and human sacrifices probably...flame away

You're damn right it's about a woman's choice to control her own body. And your allegations for ripped out and repeat are not only ignorance but the insulting and inaccurate regurgitation of long-disproven talking points.

But since this went there, let's see...what laws shall we make to control pregnant women? as we roll down this slippery slope? And just who is going to enforce them? The uterus police? And just what wiould the penalties be? Oh, my, how are we ever going to control a pregnant woman's life? Put them in homes and strap them down and force feed them through their internment?

1. Eat right (if you have the money to)
2. Drink right
3. Don't drink alcohol
3. Sleep right
4. Don't smoke
5. Get medical attention (if you're covered)
6. Be judged by everyone for every action you take
7. Give birth

No laws and no opinions are ever going to stop a woman who doesn't want to be pregnant (the reason does not matter) to give birth. There really isn't any discussion past that, and certainly no discussion or compromise on the things that really might make a difference, so why do we even bother? So tht lobbyists and politicians can get the dumbass, distracted-by-Honey Booboo and shiny things vote?

originally posted by: windword
Or do want the fetal tissues, and such, named post mortem to give then an identity?

The unborn's identity was already stolen. I mostly have a problem with how carelessly you privileged born "its" treat the idea and sanctity of life from that privileged position. Cowardly and hypocritical it seems to me. Seriously: I truly think the majority of you apologists are sick and irreparably fractured.

a reply to: windword

Then why are they required by law to be killed before being extracted?

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Once upon a time there was something called personal responsibility,for example my aunt went away had the baby and had it adopted but thank you for the update with the current paradigm

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: The GUT

It refers to a fine line between refuse or market value.

Isn't that what you want though? Instead of women donating their aborted remnants, in the various states and conditions as they may be acquired, you'd rather that they be tossed in with tonsils and kidney stones to be incinerated.

Or do want the fetal tissues, and such, named post mortem to give then an identity?

I have known several woman who have tragically lost their BABIES due to a miscarriage. They were given a proper funeral, which is the respect that they deserve. I guarantee you, that they didn't debate whether the baby was yet developed enough to deserve it or not. The loss and pain over their child's death was valid, because they felt and loved that precious life. How dare anyone devalue that? How dare anyone think that to cut up a LIVE baby and then throw it out in the trash is anything other than disgusting or barbaric? How can anyone with any sort of moral compass NOT think the harvesting and sale of these murdered babies isn't wrong?

I really just don't get it. It makes my chest hurt.

originally posted by: windword
Oh for crying out loud! A human embryo isn't a person. Human fetuses aren't people. An acorn isn't an oak tree.

There is no tiny kidney sized person in a woman's womb, there is a developing human life with the potential of becoming a person.

Like you know when consciousness develops. The embryos are ALIVE, we know that. A natural death we call dying, abortion would fall--for those who still have a compass--under "killing."