52% of Americans Think Congress Should Kill Iran Nuclear Deal? Clearly They Love Being At War

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
Anyone see this?
www.youtube.com...

What does a spanish talk show interviewing a spanish comedian have anything to with this thread ??

originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: Aazadan

No, in my opinion, it isn't a very good deal, it is a very poor deal. An good deal would benefit everyone equally. This one doesn't do that.

How does it not benefit us?

originally posted by: IanFleming
A part of peace talks involves a give and take. This set seems rather one-sided.

The sanctions should be re-authorized but held in abeyance to hold over them to ensure they comply with the terms. Our terms should be more definite and concrete than are now.

If Iran violates the agreement sanctions go back on. In fact even Russia and China are signed on to the sanctions if Iran doesn't follow through.

originally posted by: introvert
What are the terms? Have the terms been released to the public?

The full text has not, and likely will not be. However here is the summary
en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: ketsuko
More like 52% of Americans have learned not to trust anything the President says. If he says this won't let Iran have the bomb, then it probably means they'll turn around and have one within the next six months because of this deal.

It's not just the president, or the US involved in this. Please go to the link and read for yourself what's being done. Many sanctions are still going to be in place, with strict rules that must be followed.

Link

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originally posted by: Ultralight
They are taught hate from the knee in preparation for their future actions for service to Iran.

How many Iranians have you actually met?
The ones I have met have had no problem leaving Iran to study abroad, and I find them as pleasant, peaceful and open-minded as the North Americans I have met. They do not wish 'death to America'.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

a reply to: buster2010

I have heard from others that if Iran wants nukes so badly, let's give them a couple...launched and loaded. Of course, they jest because human lives trump chest thumping.

I support keeping nukes out of Iranian hands for as long as possible and by any means possible, with the least loss of lives or injury.

a reply to: Wolfenz

We (the US) have NOT been constantly at war since the Revolutionary War. LOOK at your own stats.

a reply to: introvert

And I trust the leaders of other nations to negotiate a deal in the best interests of the US ... why again?

You did not address the actual issue which is that the American people do not trust their president.

a reply to: Aazadan

Iran with a nuke is not good for us. The arms race in the Middle East is also not good, nor good for our interest in that region.

If you have to ask WHY, you need a clue.

a reply to: Ultralight

...except this deal is not at all about "Iran with a nuke".

I think you're sensationalising this.

a reply to: aorAki

I have no issue with Iranians who wish peace. I know many myself.

originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: Aazadan

Iran with a nuke is not good for us. The arms race in the Middle East is also not good, nor good for our interest in that region.

If you have to ask WHY, you need a clue.

You know the rationale here. They've never proven they can't be trusted with one so why shouldn't they have one?

To me, it's not about who in the region can or cannot be trusted. It's about the inherent instability in the area. No one likes anyone else there - Muslims don't like Jews, Muslims don't like Christians, Muslims don't like Muslims, and the sentiment is often returned - and the result is often violence and extreme instability.

Is it a good idea to put a nuke in that region? It's bad enough that both Israel and Pakistan have them, but now the potential exists for more. How long before every little country in the region has to have one, and how long before one of them goes missing ... until someone finds it underneath a nice little mushroom cloud somewhere?

We shouldn't have made a Nuclear Arms deal with Iran in the first place. Eventually we're going to have to go in and stop them anyway before they try to detonate a nuke in America or in Europe.

Obama is to blame for the mess that will ensue if they are allowed to develop Nuclear technology. I don't want war in the middle east. But at the same time we can't allow such an unstable region to possess Nuclear arms.

a reply to: JesseVentura

Naw u triple the sanctions. U don't act desperate and give them a nuke for free. This doesn't mean war. so what if it hasn't worked. U keep the sanctions triple down and hopefully eventually a friendlier regime would come around in a hundred years if it takes that long.

U don't negotiate like a desperate chick, like Obama, and give them a green light for nukes.

Remember the New World Order is about order out of Chaos. They want Iran to have a nuke to justify the next war. U got to think bigger not fall for the bs script.

I keep hearing people say, “But, uhh, we can’t trust them Iranians. We’re just givin’ ‘em the bomb.”. My God, what kind of twisted, hare-brained, convoluted logic is that? It doesn’t take a genius to understand that the agreement makes it virtually impossible for Iran to create a nuke for at least 15 years. This agreement was not reached between the U.S. and Iran alone; it includes the other major international powers, as well. Yet here we are, Netenyahu, the U.S. Congress and the American electorate, standing alone against the rest of the world and screaming, “Bomb Iran! Death to Iran!!”. And in the same breath we condemn them for shouting back, “Death to America!”. What a bunch of fools and hypocrites we are! If we kill this agreement it will ensure that we go to war with Iran. In that case you can count on the following:

1) Bombing alone is not enough to destroy the current program. It will simply move underground.
2) Considering 1), above, it will necessitate putting boots on the ground ONCE AGAIN in the ME.
3) In all likelihood, we will suffer thousands of military casualties, and many innocent Iranians will die, as well.
4) Iran will definately create a bomb, and A LOT SOONER than if we had honored the agreement.
5) The other partners to the deal will turn against us, as we obviously can’t be trusted.
6) The war with Iran will cost us trillion of dollars.
9) When the war ends, Iran will still develop the bomb, while we have accomplished NOTHING!
10) If we go to war, the American people will scorn Obama with outrage and contempt.

And you know what? Regarding that last point, this would be exactly what the Republicans are after to destroy Obama’s legacy. They’ve become so desperate and ruthless as be willing to go to such an extreme. To them, a few thousand lives sacrificed might just be acceptable in order to ruin Obama.

It’s outrageuous! Many of the idiots in Congress were already in favor of killing the deal, well before even reading it. And I have a hunch not many of the 52% have read the agreement, either. It’s nothing less than a brain-dead, lynchmob mentality.

What in the hell is going on here? This isn’t rocket science. Your choices are a) war, or b) no war. It’s that simple. Have the American people become so dumbed-down as to actually believe what the rogue, war-mongering U.S. Congress is feeding them?

No wonder we’re considered the greatest terrorist threat in the world. We deserve the title. We’ve earned it!

a reply to: netbound

I'll go along with everything you typed if:

If in three years when Iran is found to have a bomb will you say "I fully support Iran being a nuclear power and I supported President Obama making the deal that made it happen".

If in six years a tacnuc is released in the ME and is traced back to Iran will you say "I fully support Iran being a nuclear power and I supported President Obama making the deal that made it happen".

Because your "support the deal or go to war" propaganda is the same fictional "might be" as the above.

Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?

originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: Aazadan

Iran with a nuke is not good for us. The arms race in the Middle East is also not good, nor good for our interest in that region.

If you have to ask WHY, you need a clue.

Under this deal Iran doesn't get to build a nuclear weapon.

originally posted by: ketsuko
You know the rationale here. They've never proven they can't be trusted with one so why shouldn't they have one?

To me, it's not about who in the region can or cannot be trusted. It's about the inherent instability in the area. No one likes anyone else there - Muslims don't like Jews, Muslims don't like Christians, Muslims don't like Muslims, and the sentiment is often returned - and the result is often violence and extreme instability.

That is not the rationale at all, and that is not what the deal is about. I linked it in my post, you may wish to read it. The deal allows for nuclear energy while taking several safeguards to prevent Iran from having a nuclear weapon. First there are inspections, and agreed upon amounts of fissile material Iran is allowed to have (and they get no weapons grade material). Second, if inspections fail Iran will have given up a large number of it's centrifuges drastically increasing their breakout time to a weapon (it changes from 3 months to a year), next the EU, US, Russia, and China are all signed on to impose severe sanctions and even war if Iran doesn't follow the deal.

originally posted by: 200Plus
If in three years when Iran is found to have a bomb will you say "I fully support Iran being a nuclear power and I supported President Obama making the deal that made it happen".

Opposed to sanctions which were projected to lead to war within the decade, all while doing nothing to push Iran back from anything more than a 3 month breakout time to a nuke?

Using diplomacy to essentially legislate away them building nukes for decades is a much better approach.

I trust Iran with nukes exactly as much as I trust Israel.

In fact, that so many Americans have trusted Israel this long with nukes is indicative of how stupid many Americans truly are.

My very strong advice to Americans right now is let them sort it out themselves. That's their turf. Back off.

Or another USS Liberty is right around the corner.

a reply to: JesseVentura

Oh what a deal! Kerry said he hadn't read the whole agreement. Whats not to like?