52% of Americans Think Congress Should Kill Iran Nuclear Deal? Clearly They Love Being At War

a reply to: 200Plus

If Iran wanted a bomb, they'd have it already. We've been told Iran is only "months" away from a bomb for over 30 years.

Look, if poor, starving, backwards N. Korea can build a nuke, don't you think Iran could have done so already?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: IanFleming

It works for me, and most of the rest of the world seems to like it. Only the pro-Israel crowd, Israel, and the Israel Lobby (and their stooges in Congress) seem to have a problem with it. I wonder why that is exactly? Hmmmmm...

So it's the Jews again?

a reply to: IanFleming

Never mind, I found what I was looking for. It appears that some sanctions are still in place.

No new UN or EU nuclear-related sanctions or restrictive measures will be imposed.[38]
The UN Security Council, United States and the European Union would lift all of their previous nuclear-related sanctions against Iran (specified in Annex II of the agreement) after the IAEA verifies that several key steps have been taken.[39]
Sanctions relating to ballistic missile technologies would remain for eight years; similar sanctions on conventional weapon sales to Iran would remain for five years.[7][40]
Eight years into the agreement, EU sanctions against a number of Iranian companies and individuals (such as Qasem Soleimani) will be lifted.[41]
However, all U.S. sanctions against Iran related to alleged human rights abuses, missiles, and support for terrorism are not affected by the agreement and will remain in place.[42][24] U.S. sanctions are viewed as more stringent, since many have extraterritorial effect (i.e., they apply worldwide). EU sanctions, by contrast, apply only in Europe.[41]
If Iran violates the agreement, an automatic "snap back" provision takes effect, under which the sanctions "snap back" into place (i.e., are reimplemented).[22][23][38]

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a reply to: MystikMushroom

You honestly thing "poor backwards N. Korea" built a nuclear program on their own?

Do you not see a difference in the strategic values in Iran and N. Korea?

I know you are smarter than that.

a reply to: 200Plus

And you don't think Iran could have had the same "friends" help them out?

Iran actually has working nuclear reactors compared to N. Korea. As I said, we've been lied to and strung along for over 30 years about big, bad, scary "Jaffar-like" Iran's nuclear program.

originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: JesseVentura

We don't stand in the streets chanting, "Death to Iran" do we? Why do you think 52% of people find Iran untrustwrthy? Because of their ongoing threats, rhetoric, and covert actions. Iran was supporting our stance against ISIS and turning around and funding g, providing military support for the Houdis in Yemen.

And you wonder why most do not want to have a nuke deal with this country?.

No, we do not want war...on the contrary. We are war weary. We want life. Our own to continue in our country, our FREE country.

Get it?

just going on the last sentence of your claim, ATS Member ( Ultralight )



The American government Loves War, and it has been nonstop since the Revolutionary war.

Not all Wars/Conflicts Shown



Some Americans are War Weary The Government isn't ! ,,

Life ? what type, a Dystopian ? Utopian ? we are heading into a Orwellian Nation as I see it, 3 books come to mind Orwell's 1984, Animal farm, and Huxley's Brave New World ..








A FREE COUNTRY ..??

Please explain what a Free Country is ? I once thought what a Free Country was , and thought it was the reason my grandfathers ( Bomber Fighter Plane Mechanic / and Bomber Gunner many Bombing Runs in Germany ) / ( Patton's 3rd Army Division / pontoon Bridge aka Bailey Bridge engineer ( Fought in D-Day & the Famed Ramagan Bridge Last bridge on the Rhine Liberated Concentration Camps ) fought for ? a Real World War..

There are Country's that have more freedom and rights then we do,
like JAPAN and SOUTH KOREA and Norway, Iceland?

The Land of the Free & The Home of the Brave is just words in a SONG Now !

and its difficult for me to say, as a Former Marine,, as Freedom isnt what it Use to be !

From the Cause of!

This


The Patriot Act : is the New Enabling Act of 1933 (Nazi Germany Act)
and the International Security Act of 1950 aka McCarren Act ,
( derived from McCarthyism aka The 1950s Red Scare Cold War )

and the Start of a Police State .. all because Homeland Security Fell Asleep at the Wheel !
( Stand Down) on Sept 11th 2001.


Most forget this !

Fasci !

Double Post

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I don't because I see them as polar opposites.

N. Korea is a bulwark or wall and it's nukes were given to the regime as a detriment to invasion. Their "friends" know full well that the regime there is more concerned with maintaining power than expansion.

Iran on the other hand is about expansion; Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, and others. Any of these hotspots are ripe for a small tactical popper. Which of course Iran would deny it's involvement in. However, a threat of a nuclear program has much the same effect as a nuclear program does it not? Just like robbing a bank with your finger in your pocket and acting like you have a gun. Iran's "friends" are willing to play along with the threat but I doubt they are stupid enough to give them actual bombs.

Two different tactical scenarios require two very different play books.

a reply to: 200Plus

The enemy of an ally is still an enemy. It would make sense for China or someone else to help Iran have a nuclear weapon to balance the playing field against Israel's nuclear capability.

The simple, TLR on Iran is that we couldn't control who they wanted as their leader, and by proxy their oil production -- so we locked down sanctions and began a negative propaganda war to isolate them and keep their oil off the market.

We used Israel's "constant near destruction" for over 30 years to justify keeping Iran isolated and a boogeyman. Enough is enough. We'd never let Iran do anything to Israel, and Israel can take care of herself a lot better than they let on.

The USD is propped up by oil.

originally posted by: IanFleming

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: IanFleming

It works for me, and most of the rest of the world seems to like it. Only the pro-Israel crowd, Israel, and the Israel Lobby (and their stooges in Congress) seem to have a problem with it. I wonder why that is exactly? Hmmmmm...

So it's the Jews again?

Who said anything about Jews? Zionist run Israel and they hardly act like Jews.

Irans leaders are pure evil...Not all Iranians are like they are.The U.S. must not go gung ho crazy for war either.

a reply to: IanFleming

WHOA NOW! I said Israel. I DIDN'T say Jew, Zionist, Hebrew, etc. Israel is a country and believe it or not, not EVERYONE in that country is Jewish. Step back from trying to paint me as a bigot.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: IanFleming

WHOA NOW! I said Israel. I DIDN'T say Jew, Zionist, Hebrew, etc. Israel is a country and believe it or not, not EVERYONE in that country is Jewish. Step back from trying to paint me as a bigot.

I'm sorry. It's just that one gets tired of hearing about the "Great Zionist Conspiracy." It gets old and overused and no, not all problems in the world start with the US and end with Israel. Iran is run by crazed fundamentalist zealots who hate everybody--they are wankers all by themselves, no help needed.

a reply to: IanFleming

Yes, but the issue with Iran is VERY linked to Israel, since Netanyahu has been ACTIVELY lobbying our Congress since 2009 to stop any deals with Iran. The country has CONSTANTLY gone around any various government officials who disagree with them to promote to their dogs, Israel's crazy ideas about Iran. The most recent one was when Benny went DIRECTLY to Congress (without being invited I might add you) to complain and usurp the negotiations for the peace deal we are talking about now.

I mean I am physically TIRED of every time I click on an article about Benny and Israel all I hear is how Iran is "months away from getting the bomb and blowing Israel up". Yet we've been hearing that for YEARS. Meanwhile, Iran has not officially declared war on another country since LONG before they were even a country to begin with. At this point, I don't believe ANYTHING coming out of Israel about Iran and frankly I have doubts about the whole "Iran sponsoring terrorism" thing as well. That could just as easily be the result of Israel's anti-Iran propaganda. At the very least, the modern version of it is CLEARLY a result of us being overly buddy buddy with Israel despite Israel doing everything it possibly can to abuse its friendship with the US.

Anyone see this?
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: IanFleming

Yes, but the issue with Iran is VERY linked to Israel, since Netanyahu has been ACTIVELY lobbying our Congress since 2009 to stop any deals with Iran. The country has CONSTANTLY gone around any various government officials who disagree with them to promote to their dogs Israel's crazy ideas about Iran. I mean I am physically TIRED of every time I click on an article about Benny how Iran is "months away from getting the bomb and blowing Israel up". Yet we've been hearing that for YEARS. Meanwhile, Iran has not officially declared war on another country since LONG before they were even a country to begin with. At this point, I don't believe ANYTHING coming out of Israel about Iran and frankly I have doubts about the whole "Iran sponsoring terrorism" thing as well. That could just as easily the result of Israel's anti-Iran propaganda.

But Iran has both been a state sponsor of terrorism and engaging in proxy wars since the radicals have taken over and thus are not the "innocent victims" in this. From day one they have had a policy of both "Death to Israel" and "Death to the US" and have acted on that philosophy.

That they have not gotten the bomb yet is very likely due to a protracted effort by many nations to stop them--not just the US and Israel.

Iran's sponsorship of terrorism is well documented and I've already provided only a few of the many links. Unless you think that the tentacles of the great Zionist conspiracy control the UK, Saudi Arabia, UAE, And everyone in our respective governments AND think tanks, then the tracks are quite obvious.

originally posted by: IanFleming
But Iran has both been a state sponsor of terrorism and engaging in proxy wars since the radicals have taken over and thus are not the "innocent victims" in this. From day one they have had a policy of both "Death to Israel" and "Death to the US" and have acted on that philosophy.

I'm not saying that they are innocent victims at all. I'm just saying that I'm pretty sure much of the stuff being attributed to Iran is likely manufactured propaganda from Israel.

That they have not gotten the bomb yet is very likely due to a protracted effort by many nations to stop them--not just the US and Israel.

That sounds like Netanyahu talking.

Iran's sponsorship of terrorism is well documented and I've already provided only a few of the many links. Unless you think that the tentacles of the great Zionist conspiracy control the UK, Saudi Arabia, UAE, And everyone in our respective governments AND think tanks, then the tracks are quite obvious.

Like I said, I am at the point that I am ready to trust Iran over Israel. Iran isn't perfect, but they certainly deserve a shot to prove themselves. I mean we deal with Saudi Arabia and the hijackers from 9/11 have been linked back to that country. So if we can get over THAT little hiccup to continue to deal with Saudi Arabia, I think we can get over some or Iran's anti-west rhetoric.

Plus now that they have the sanctions lifted and are trading freely with the world again, they have to play nice. If they don't, then they will end up in a worse situation than they were in before.

originally posted by: IanFleming

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: IanFleming

Yes, but the issue with Iran is VERY linked to Israel, since Netanyahu has been ACTIVELY lobbying our Congress since 2009 to stop any deals with Iran. The country has CONSTANTLY gone around any various government officials who disagree with them to promote to their dogs Israel's crazy ideas about Iran. I mean I am physically TIRED of every time I click on an article about Benny how Iran is "months away from getting the bomb and blowing Israel up". Yet we've been hearing that for YEARS. Meanwhile, Iran has not officially declared war on another country since LONG before they were even a country to begin with. At this point, I don't believe ANYTHING coming out of Israel about Iran and frankly I have doubts about the whole "Iran sponsoring terrorism" thing as well. That could just as easily the result of Israel's anti-Iran propaganda.

But Iran has both been a state sponsor of terrorism and engaging in proxy wars since the radicals have taken over and thus are not the "innocent victims" in this. From day one they have had a policy of both "Death to Israel" and "Death to the US" and have acted on that philosophy.

That they have not gotten the bomb yet is very likely due to a protracted effort by many nations to stop them--not just the US and Israel.

Iran's sponsorship of terrorism is well documented and I've already provided only a few of the many links. Unless you think that the tentacles of the great Zionist conspiracy control the UK, Saudi Arabia, UAE, And everyone in our respective governments AND think tanks, then the tracks are quite obvious.

I don't think anyone should be sponsoring terrorist, but America isn't exactly innocent in that regard. Most countries in the world can argue that we've engaged in proxy activities against them as well. I'd hate to have the rest of the world decide that bombing us is the only option.

And it's not a zionist conspiracy to suggest Israel has a huge influence on members of our government. Some of our politicians treat bibi like a prophet and anyone who disagrees with him loves satan. Name me the last united states president who got 50 standing ovations.

More like 52% of Americans have learned not to trust anything the President says. If he says this won't let Iran have the bomb, then it probably means they'll turn around and have one within the next six months because of this deal.

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