52% of Americans Think Congress Should Kill Iran Nuclear Deal? Clearly They Love Being At War

A new CNN/ORC Poll states that 52% of Americans think Congress should kill the Iran Nuclear Deal. Clearly, the majority of American people like being at war. Everybody thinks Iran is so evil. Well, I challenge the American people to read history for a moment. Take a look at what the United States has done to Iran... How would you feel about a country if they came into our country, overthrew our elected president, and gave us a dictator that kowtowed to them, not you, for the next 20 to 25 years?

a reply to: JesseVentura

We don't stand in the streets chanting, "Death to Iran" do we? Why do you think 52% of people find Iran untrustwrthy? Because of their ongoing threats, rhetoric, and covert actions. Iran was supporting our stance against ISIS and turning around and funding g, providing military support for the Houdis in Yemen.

And you wonder why most do not want to have a nuke deal with this country?.

No, we do not want war...on the contrary. We are war weary. We want life. Our own to continue in our country, our FREE country.

Get it?

a reply to: JesseVentura

it's time we elect a new congress, a new senate and new local government. we have to come together as a people. we divide ourselves by political party, religious affiliation and countless other ways. we have to put aside our differences and fix our broken government. we need to push our elected officials to bring back living wage jobs. we have to repair an educational system that has long been shattered. we need heath care, not health insurance but real access to health care for all american citizens.

we have to end our use of military for corporate gain. bring our soldiers home and heal our collective soul.

but, this will not happen. there is too much money to be made on war.

a reply to: Ultralight

We don't have much of a better track record of picking sides in the ME.

I think plenty of the people in the states have a death to Iran line of thought.

I just wonder if they are so hell bent on destroying us, why never attack us?

Diplomacy seems like the right route to me, should have been used over there long ago.

And it wasn't just the US involved with this deal, I like how that part gets over looked.

Again, the alternative to diplomacy with Iran?

Sanctions? We've imposed sanctions on Iran since 1979. We had increased those sanctions significantly in the 2000's and it hasn't changed the situation with Iran one bit. So what else? Really? What else besides sanctions since they clearly haven't worked? War. That's the alternative. That's what many of opponents to the Iranian deal want. They just won't come out and say it in fear they'll have to defend this position.

a reply to: JesseVentura

Folks these days, don't want to be inconvenienced by the truth...

They would rather latch on to what's being fed to them... even more so now with all the instant distraction available..

Instant outrage, 15 seconds of video to get that rage fix....

It takes a bit of effort to delve into our nations' past, to see how the enemies we now fight, were once prized allies...

It used to be the UK's shame, manipulating conquered folks around the globe, but they relented...

Who took their blueprint and expanded it without having to fly Old Glory over the manipulated lands? The good ole USA...

I love this country, I do not love what our government has done in our good faith, around the globe to inspire so much mistrust and hatred...

If we (USA) are a bastion of freedom and democracy, our government should support efforts that represent the same, not prop up puppets for business convenience, and bring shame on the folks who live, serve and appreciate what we have...

For those who may not know... we were quite chummy with Iran back in the day...




Wake up folks.... we've been told lies, we've been made to fear what our own gov't created....

Where should our disgust be directed? The folks who hate us? or the folks who created that hate?

Right now, they are doing a good job at getting folks to harbor ill will towards each other IN THIS COUNTRY...

I won't fall for it.... I see what they are doing... I hope you take a deep breath, take it all in, and save your disgust for those who deserve it..

Mine lies in our nation's capitol, All 3 branches, and All parties...

/end rant.. apologies... couldn't help myself

War Prayer by Mark Twain

Upon the listening spirit of God fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!

“Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth into battle — be Thou near them! With them — in spirit — we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended in the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames in summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it —

For our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimmage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet!

We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

It is well to consider that a majority of Americans are not themselves, but caricatures of things and people
they see on mainstream media.
Those in power, the warmongers, knowingly use the mainstream media to manipulate the people's minds to hateful, fearful, and parroting states.
So when the military complex sets on a country like Iran, or Russia, so the amazingly pervasive propaganda machinery sets to bend public opinion to the Corporate Warmakers' hateful mindset.

In the case at hand, we are told a majority of Americans are against Diplomacy, a Virtue that has stood since the founding of nations.

Firstly, this number may be inaccurate; another false portrayal of Americans to themselves.
Otherwise, this reflects a number of Americans ignorant of history and the world at large, full of hate and division, and watching too much TV.
And this is exactly how the Corporate Warmaschine would have them be.

a reply to: JesseVentura

I seriously think the entire world has lost their minds.


Be very careful bargaining with any nation that has "Death to YOU" rallies.

We're #ed either way. I don't blame them for hating us and they have every right, but justified or not they do hate us. I doubt they're going to follow any deal with any more good will than Washington has shown them over the years. So while I hope the deal goes through and my cynicism is wrong I think it's going to end poorly regardless

originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: JesseVentura

We don't stand in the streets chanting, "Death to Iran" do we? Why do you think 52% of people find Iran untrustwrthy? Because of their ongoing threats, rhetoric, and covert actions. Iran was supporting our stance against ISIS and turning around and funding g, providing military support for the Houdis in Yemen.

And you wonder why most do not want to have a nuke deal with this country?.

No, we do not want war...on the contrary. We are war weary. We want life. Our own to continue in our country, our FREE country.

Get it?

If you're war weary you should support this deal with Iran. Every analyst on this subject has agreed whether they're from the US, Russia, or Israel. Continuing sanctions will eventually lead to war with Iran. They are not 100% effective at stopping Iran from getting a nuclear weapon and can instead only delay the inevitable by X years. The truth is, sanctions are already ineffective. Iran is not pursuing a nuclear weapon and we know they have the capability to assemble and deploy one inside of 3 months if they wanted to do so from the materials they have on hand. Our ability to detect a shift in their policies is also not ironclad. If Iran wishes to strike someone we currently have about a 6 week window in which to act.

This deal changes that. Iran loves this deal because they don't actually care about a nuclear weapon other than as a deterrent against invasion. From their perspective they're agreeing to follow a policy they were already going to follow. From the US perspective we increase that window from about 6 weeks to 3 months, and Iran's time to build a nuke is pushed back from 3 months to 5. This means that if they renege we have more time to react. On top of that, Iran gets a large amount of financial incentive to not build a nuclear weapon. We have a virtual guarantee the nuke issue won't come up with them again for atleast a decade, and likely several decades where as before it was constant.

It's a very good deal. Obama with his pen, phone, and a couple months did what 36 years and 5 other presidential administrations could not do.

originally posted by: EightTF
We're #ed either way. I don't blame them for hating us and they have every right, but justified or not they do hate us. I doubt they're going to follow any deal with any more good will than Washington has shown them over the years. So while I hope the deal goes through and my cynicism is wrong I think it's going to end poorly regardless

They will follow the deal. A large part of Iran's geopolitical strategy is to side with Russia and China, using them to deflect political problems. Both Russia and China were a part of this deal. Not only would disobeying it cause their allies to lose any political cover to help them out, but Russia and China are now both obligated by this deal to side with the west in the event that Iran doesn't follow through with their end of the bargain.

All 5 UN security council members plus the entirety of the EU is backing this deal. There would be serious consequences for Iran were they to not follow it.

I don't see what all the fuss is about .

I see your stats jesse and raise you

Seems there are a lot of people really getting their panties in a bunch over this Iran "deal".
I read this piece earlier today:

The Iran deal will provide Iran with a cash windfall as sanctions are eased and assets are unfrozen. The total amount is estimated to be as high as $150 billion. If so, the Iran deal would give more cash to Iran than the $124.3 billion U.S. has given in total aid to Israel since 1948.

www.breitbart.com...

Talk about a headline grabber!

Of course, that is already Iranian money and assets, frozen by US / Western banks (or stolen, depending on how you look at it) and a war would probably see that money and assets never reach Iran again. No wonder there are people pushing for the war option if they have to give the money back.
Also, the money Israel got (and still gets) is taken from US taxpayers, whereas the money being "unfrozen" already belongs to Iran, but hey, it's been sitting in others accounts so long, they probably regard it as their property now!

As for the USA's perceived view of Iranian hostility towards them, is it really any wonder?
When you have repeatedly meddled in their internal affairs, had their democratically elected governments overthrown, installed and propped up brutal dictators, used proxies to murder their citizens and pushed a neighbour into a full blown war against them, I think anyone would perhaps be a little distrustful and hostile, to say the least.

a reply to: JesseVentura

Everytime I see this headline I read it as

52% of Americans think congress should kill themselves

And i think

That' number sounds a little low

Anyways it just goes to show how ignorant people are abiut nuclear energy if anything

Just more 21st century digital boy

they don't know how to read but they got a lot of toys

a reply to: JesseVentura

Jesse

This is a mainstream media poll

You can't trust the programming man

I'm a very apolitical individual, and don't support either major party or ideology. I want that preamble out of the way and made very clear before I say this, because it is my experience that people assume or read into nuanced positions rigid political ideology or affiliation rather than a more complex opinion that isn't black or white. And I'd like to avoid that.

With that said, the Iran deal is far, far less than ideal in my opinion. And my reluctant support of it (when I say support, what I really mean is "recognition of probable necessity") should not be construed as support for its architects or the present leadership of either nation, nor any of the other parties to it.

However I have yet to see - nor, indeed, to fathom - a good alternative. Iran, I believe it is clear, will not agree to a more stringent pact. That leaves only one alternative to the current deal hammered out: continued, unrestrained development of their nuclear capability leading, in my view inevitably, to armed conflict. That is NOT an option for anyone, on either side, in my opinion. Or it certainly shouldn't be. Here's why.

Some may consider said armed conflict preferable to "kicking the can down the road," however the most probable scenarios unfolding from that would be, in a word, horrific. If Iran is allowed to continue their perceived development of nuclear armaments (whether you believe they are or are not doing so is irrelevant to the outcome,) either the U.S. or, more probably in my estimation, Israel, WILL eventually conduct strikes to curtail this.

Said strikes, even in the best case scenarios put forth by the most ardent supporters of said actions, would only set Iran back by years at best. Iran would become intractable, the only opportunity for diplomacy having been lost, possibly forever. They would unleash Hezbollah upon Israel (and probably U.S. interests) to a degree hitherto unseen. If attacked by Israel, they would almost certainly enter into a state of open and ongoing war with Israel. A conflict which would be ongoing and indefinite as containment of their nuclear program would have to be essentially eternal, and would have a higher propensity to draw in other regional actors than any other recent conflict of global import, perhaps in decades.

Meanwhile, their only marginally set back nuclear track would continue. It could be delayed, but this would require indefinite war. Indefinite containment. Indefinite, costly, unceasing military action. Eventually, they would make progress. And then, anything short of invading and occupying the country - which would be a horrifically ugly, bloody, and arguably untenable proposition - would mean they would, inevitably, acquire nuclear weapons and the capacity to deliver them. It would only be a matter of time once that trigger was pulled. More horrifically, they could transfer nuclear material or weapons to Hezbollah or other actors intent on doing enormous harm to the West and to Israel. So the only option to prevent this would be invasion. Air strikes alone WILL NOT get it done, according to even the most hawkish proponents of confrontation.

Armed conflict with Iran, no matter how limited the scope initially envisioned, would begin an inexorable countdown to catastrophe, with either the use of nuclear weapons - eventually, whether sooner or much later - guaranteed by someone, somewhere, or massive invasion being the outcome. Iran is not Iraq and would be a much, MUCH harder row to hoe. And we have seen the aftermath of the Iraq war cut bloody swaths across the entire region. The entire region would end up in immitigable chaos, threatening the vital strategic interests of both the West and Russia, China, and others.

To say nothing of the countless lives which would be lost on both sides once the dominos started falling, and outright war with Iran was inevitable. Which it would rapidly become, within years at most. It would take time, but the outcome would be sealed once we decided to take this course. The genie would be out of the bottle. "Victory," eventually, would likely be achieved against Iran, but at what cost? In what time frame? And how unstable and chaotic would the geopolitical balance become in the interim, with the strategic interests of friends and foes alike being upset dramatically?

No, this is not a path the world needs to go down right now in my opinion. The very prospect of it is unthinkable to me, and my greatest fear is that many of the decision makers who could take us down such a path haven't fully considered these implications. (Or more terrifyingly, that they have, and for some reason WANT this outcome.)

The deal with Iran is a flawed, deeply troubling one. Far from perfect, and far from assured to bring about its desired goals. However right now, it is the best alternative available to the world and indeed, to Iran.

In my humble opinion.

As always, I could be (and hope I am) wrong, of course.

Peace.

a reply to: AceWombat04

The deal with Iran is a flawed, deeply troubling one. Far from perfect, and far from assured to bring about its desired goals. However right now, it is the best alternative available to the world and indeed, to Iran.

Baby steps then.

Better than throwing it out with the bath water.

I'd like to know the 52%. A poll from CNN probably wasn't many people, not even a small fraction of the country. Generally, people dumb enough to take polls have dumb ideals, especially if they're watching CNN or any other station broadcasting to The New Dumb.

Most Americans, with lives, have to work and feed their children. These people don't have time for silly wars with other people that've done nothing to them, let alone taking some stupid poll on a NewsCast they don't even watch.

52% voted for Obama in the last election.

Funny how it's a wise majority sometimes and a bunch of idiots another.