Little Sisters of the Poor Aiding in the Religious Right Wing's Agenda for a Theocratic Government

But, do you get to choose to be a Jehovah's witness?

Give unto ceasar what belongs to him, (throw away the monopoly money), and give unto god what belongs to him! Start your own game. You're being forced to figure out how to run your country anway - and you do, just don't enslave yourselves to the wrong people!

Take back your loyalty! And win! Don't let the no-good for nothing people waste your life!

That is not what you hired them for.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Yup, right over your head.

All of the things you listed can be considered ridiculous, but it cannot be compared to an active effort, well funded by the way, to slowly push an entire nation towards theocracy.

This goes well beyond simple religious freedom.

Do you have any proof to this claim or is it merely conjecture? Because i don't see it.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
didn't the opinions of the courts say something about the blood transfusions and vaccinatons? that the ruling on birth control wouldn't mean that the same ruling would carry over to them? yep

www.supremecourt.gov...

page 5-6.

I wonder if that means that one strongly held belief isn't held with the same merit as another??

Scary as taking back your life is, that is what you are being forced to do!

a reply to: dawnstar

Sounds to me like the JW's didn't want to push the issue with litigation. I'm sure if they felt strongly enough about the issue and got the right legal team on the case, like the one in the OP, we'd be having a discussion about this too.

originally posted by: Freenrgy2

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
but is instrumental in infiltrating the government with religious leaders and eventually, construct theocratic rule.

But its o.k. to allow socialists and progressives to infiltrate every position in government, the courts and the media!!

You guys like to think that everyone is out to get you, but you've had the keys to the kingdom for decades now. And, you seem to be getting more of what you want everyday.

So, why do a few nuns scare you?

Are you joking? I fear you aren't.

Number one ... what's to prevent socialists and progressives from also being religious? (Hint, look up false dichotomy.)

Number two ... let's compare 50 posts by liberals and 50 by conservatives and see how many are "victim-based." (Hint, it won't be the liberals)

Number three ... weren't conservatives crowing about taking back Congress, or is that not part of the government now? (Hint, no one gets everything they want in politics.)

Number four ... no one is afraid of nuns. Some of us are just tired of watching the Constitution be twisted to special rights on special interest groups (like anyone who claims "religion" to cover whatever law they want to break.)

a reply to: Krazysh0t

too bad really, it would be interesting to find out how the supreme court would rule on it. I kind of don't think they'd win, having to find another way around providing blood transfusions for those who's employers chose to not carry them would be too burdensome for the gov't. of course, I don't think that blood transfusions are mandated to be included in obamacare are they?? I think that they figured that one was kind of self evident that should be including in coverage.

we all have our own moral compass, even those of us who are not religious. and well, it's not that uncommon to have those moral compasses trampled into the dust by society, by employers, by our gov't. are our moral compasses of less value than other because we aren't part of an organized mainstream religion?

double post, sorry

Hi guys,

The argument will go back and forth for all the myriad of views on the planet.

That is why limits are drawn up - to facilitate co-operation. Now, new technologies get invented - the inventors by right of might, impose rules on us that previously didn't exist - courtesy of new ways of hiding crime and increasing complexity of hiding crime.

So many ABC acronym intelligence agencies and the "military industrial complexes" - all shadow boxing, and illusions abound - who can tell what is true any more?

If we cannot post our plain observations and get those to agree first - all the rest is simply water under the bridge.

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
My understanding was that it was that the religious exemption was pushed by religions that objected to insurance, primarily the Jewish religion, which has a lot of clout on both sides of the aisle.

There are a couple types of "religious exemption". One is the one you're talking about here, the conscience objection to insurance, where some are completely exempt from Obamacare. They don't have to participate at all. This includes certain Native America tribes and members of health care ministries. They ALL, however have to fill out a form.

Then, there's the type of religious exemption the nuns want, which involves a business that has religious objections to contraception. This was a compromise Obama made to the law. They still participate in Obamacare, they're just exempt from contraceptive coverage.

Real Christians are virtually non-existent in American politics.

Amen! And there are very few outside of politics, too. My mother was a Real Christian...

The last thing we have to worry about is a Christian Theocratic government in America.

Well, I'm not claiming it would be "Real Christians" running it. By definition, Real Christians wouldn't support a theocracy. It would be Christians in Name Only, like the Kochs, Family Research Council, Christian Coalition and so on. They're not REALLY Christians, they're control freaks. Not to compare, but the Taliban and ISIS call themselves "Muslims", but they aren't real Muslims, they just use the word to justify their actions.

It's not Real Christians I'm concerned about at all. I am fine with them.

If we should worry about any theocracy in American government, we should worry about those people that go to Bohemian Grove to sacrifice their cares to a burning owl statue once a year.

I'm also not saying that we shouldn't be concerned about other issues. This thread (in the religious conspiracy forum) concerns a religious conspiracy.

originally posted by: EternalSolace
I don't think that investigators are so dense that they can't look at the organization name "Little Sisters of the Poor", go to their website Little Sisters of the Poor, and not tell that they're catholic.

It's run by Catholics, but not all of their employees are Catholic and MANY Catholics use contraceptives.

originally posted by: EternalSolace
And in all of 5 minutes I pulled up their website and got enough information to lead me to believe it's a Christian organization.

But their employees aren't all Christian. The employees are who this is about.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: EternalSolace
I don't think that investigators are so dense that they can't look at the organization name "Little Sisters of the Poor", go to their website Little Sisters of the Poor, and not tell that they're catholic.

It's run by Catholics, but not all of their employees are Catholic and MANY Catholics use contraceptives.

In all fairness, I'd imagine that if anyone was a stickler for religious rules, it'd be a group of (shudder) nuns.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

actually, I don't think it's right to label them real or not real christians.... except maybe some who are playing at the top who know danged well what they are doing. most have been misled. the name and claim prosperity movement, the promise of power for the faithful, ect. they were sucked in, I was in a church when it started, very subtle, very pleasing, but well, in the end it about tore the little church apart.

those christians who have latched into this movement need to read revelations, and well, read how the devil tempted christ... and think about just where the movement is taking them. I saw it in that little church then, and I still see it, and I think that the spirit that is driving it is more like the antichrist than christ. they should read the words that they type into the forums and ask themselves just what is the spirit that is flowing within those words.
but well, what do I know, I am just here sitting on the sidelines, watching. their the christians and well it's their house that needs to be cleaned out,.

originally posted by: EternalSolace
Do we violate the 1st Amendment so we don't violate the 14th amendment?

Can you explain how signing this form violates the free exercise of religion?

I certify that, on account of religious objections, the organization opposes providing coverage for some or all of any contraceptive services that would otherwise be required to be covered; the organization is organized and operates as a nonprofit entity; and the organization holds itself out as a religious organization.

I declare that I have made this certification, and that, to the best of my knowledge and belief, it is true and correct. I also declare that this certification is complete.

Keep in mind, religious people and organizations across the country fill out forms for legal exemptions for homeschooling, insurance objections, vaccinations, peyote use, employment non-discrimination and other religious practices.

Why is THIS FORM different from the rest?

a reply to: Gryphon66

The argument wasn't about socialists and progressives being religious, I was simply pointing out the double-standard that you folks live by.

You're worried about a group of nuns, who will somehow magically turn government into a theocracy, yet your side has had control of the reins for the better part of the last 100 years. And this despite how many conservatives have held high positions in government.

And I've seen more than my fair share of libs personally attack someone who disagrees with their point of view.

Sure, nobody gets everything they want in politics, but my fear is that the socialists and progressives who are in now are doing everything they can to stack the deck and ensure that they will ALWAYS get their way from here on out.

You have no need to fear me. You should fear your government.

Just to inject a little levity in a potentially tense thread, I'd like to share a few thoughts that I agree with on nuns:




As a survivor of Catholic school, I can certainly empathize with Officer O'Neil.


The answer is simple. If the issue gives the nuns such dyspepsia and they could opt out with a little paperwork, then why the blazes do they not just do the paperwork?

originally posted by: Freenrgy2
a reply to: Gryphon66

The argument wasn't about socialists and progressives being religious, I was simply pointing out the double-standard that you folks live by.

You're worried about a group of nuns, who will somehow magically turn government into a theocracy, yet your side has had control of the reins for the better part of the last 100 years. And this despite how many conservatives have held high positions in government.

And I've seen more than my fair share of libs personally attack someone who disagrees with their point of view.

Sure, nobody gets everything they want in politics, but my fear is that the socialists and progressives who are in now are doing everything they can to stack the deck and ensure that they will ALWAYS get their way from here on out.

You have no need to fear me. You should fear your government.

I honestly can't see this as being part of "theocratic movement." Most fundamentalists (which is really the intense group of right wing religious types) consider Catholics no better than heathen commies--I can't see any sort of concerted effort of cooperation there.

originally posted by: ketsuko
We are told over and over again that no one should be in anyone else's bedroom, and yet, at least one reply point-blank stated that the government has determined that it's in the best interest of all women to have birth control.

ACCESS to birth control as a part of a comprehensive health care package. Viagra is also covered. Not that every man HAS TO HAVE IT, but he can have access to it. It's health care. Also childbirth is covered. Hysterectomy, yeast infections, herpes treatments. They're all covered! LOL!