Little Sisters of the Poor Aiding in the Religious Right Wing's Agenda for a Theocratic Government

a reply to: dawnstar

Clinton was involved in that...is he a far right wing neocon?

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

People are teaching creation in schools.

Creation is only being taught in home schools and private schools.

Science is thought of as "opinion" because it disagrees with religion

That is your opinion, most people do not feel that way and according to polls most "religious" people accept science.

Our currency says, "In God We Trust"

Is that new??? Did some far right wing group get that to happen? No, it's the motto of the Star Spangled Banner, the national anthem.

O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation.
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Discrimination against LGBT people is rampant (disguised as "Religious Freedom"

I agree with that statement.

Abortion clinics are closing right and left.

Good.

Women's reproductive rights (contraception) are being attacked.

False. So false. So false it isn't even funny. This is a very specific group looking to not have to provide something if it is against their religion. If their employees don't like it, they shouldn't work there. One of the founding tenants of this country is freedom of religion. Just like this country was founded on liberty which protects the GLBT community to live their lives how they so choose so long as it does not impact the liberty of another.

originally posted by: raymundoko
Creation is only being taught in home schools and private schools.

That's where you are wrong.

A Map Showing Which U.S. Public Schools Teach Creationism to Kids

This map charts out all the schools receiving public funding that teach creationism — whether they're public schools or private and charter schools that receive public funding.

Slate put together this map, as well as an accompanying state-by-state breakdown, of what's going on in science classes around the country — and the laws and ordinances that govern them. Louisiana and Tennessee both have state laws allowing public schools to opt out of teaching evolution, but, as the map shows, that's not the only way that creationism can make it into the classroom. The public schools teaching creationism are shown in green — but there's also charter schools (shown in red) and private schools that receive tax-funded vouchers (in orange).

a reply to: raymundoko

??? it was bush's own words that called the wars a "Crusade"
as far as who was involved? well, congress along with the people were lied to and most bought the lies. so I guess just everyone was involved, but is was bush and a bunch of neocons that was doing the lying.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

No, that maps out private and charter schools which receive public funding.

Your article is not a source article, it takes from Slate

Which clearly states that it is private and charter schools which teach creation. It then highlights in GREEN which public schools are legally allowed to, however it then links to their board of education and shows they don't...so yeah.

So in TN and LA it is legal to teach creation, but they don't. You should actually read your sources.

Correction, Jan. 27, 2014: This article's headlines originally suggested that thousands of public schools in Louisiana and Tennessee are teaching creationism. While those schools are permitted to teach creationism, it is unclear how many are actually teaching it, and the headlines have been updated to reflect this.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: raymundoko
Creation is only being taught in home schools and private schools.

That's where you are wrong.

A Map Showing Which U.S. Public Schools Teach Creationism to Kids

This map charts out all the schools receiving public funding that teach creationism — whether they're public schools or private and charter schools that receive public funding.

Slate put together this map, as well as an accompanying state-by-state breakdown, of what's going on in science classes around the country — and the laws and ordinances that govern them. Louisiana and Tennessee both have state laws allowing public schools to opt out of teaching evolution, but, as the map shows, that's not the only way that creationism can make it into the classroom. The public schools teaching creationism are shown in green — but there's also charter schools (shown in red) and private schools that receive tax-funded vouchers (in orange).

Like OMG, thats terrible...those poor kids. *sarcasm*

a reply to: Harvin

His link isn't what he thinks it is. You should actually read it too. See my post above. Public schools don't teach creation. Two states have caveats which would allow teachers to user creationist material, however the school boards do not approve any creationist material for use in the classroom.

Keep in mind Bobby Jindal is the Gov of LA and he has a BS: Biology and does not support the use of creationist material in classrooms and is attempting to get the law changed to remove the loophole.

originally posted by: raymundoko
Which clearly states that it is private and charter schools which teach creation. I

Charter Schools are Public Schools.

Texas Public Schools are Teaching Creationism

The opening line of the workbook section declares, “In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth.”
...
Infiltrating and subverting the charter-school movement has allowed Responsive Ed to carry out its religious agenda—and it is succeeding. Operating more than 65 campuses in Texas, Arkansas, and Indiana, Responsive Ed receives more than $82 million in taxpayer money annually, and it is expanding, with 20 more Texas campuses opening in 2014.

Charter schools may be run independently, but they are still public schools, and through an open records request, I was able to obtain a set of Responsive Ed’s biology “Knowledge Units,” workbooks that Responsive Ed students must complete to pass biology. These workbooks both overtly and underhandedly discredit evidence-based science and allow creationism into public-school classrooms.

While those schools are permitted to teach creationism, it is unclear how many are actually teaching it, and the headlines have been updated to reflect this.

"It is unclear" doesn't mean they don't teach creationism.

Keep in mind Bobby Jindal is the Gov of LA and he has a BS: Biology and does not support the use of creationist material in classrooms and is attempting to get the law changed to remove the loophole.

WHAT? How about a source? He SIGNED the law. He's using that fact to boost his popularity for his presidential run.

In an interview on NBC, Jindal, a Republican, said: “Bottom line, at the end of the day, we want our kids to be exposed to the best facts. Let’s teach them about the big bang theory, let’s teach them about evolution – I’ve got no problem if a school board, a local school board, says we want to teach our kids about creationism, that people, some people, have these beliefs as well, let’s teach them about ‘intelligent design.’”

Source

Why the Louisiana Science Education Act Disqualifies Bobby Jindal From National Office

Not that he has a chance, but PLEASE!

ya know, we aren't gonna be able to build anything close to a solid future when half or more of the population and leadership is trying to mislead with what they danged well know is lies.
truth has stepped out the door, and along with it any chance of really solving any problems.
let's base our decisions on half truths and lies in hopes of promoting our own ideology and we can just dig ourselves deeper and deeper into the abyss.
it's not just the little sisters and their problems with birth control....
it's just about every danged major problem this country faces....
truth has fled, and we are left with bs!

There's a bottom line here: The Constitutional "freedom of religion" does not imply that anyone can hide any behavior behind the aegis of "religious freedom."

The religious are not a special class of citizen.

The religious are not exempt from the laws of the land.

Christians also need to remember, desperately, that they are NOT the only "religion" in America.

Eroding the barriers between Church and State is certainly one of those "be careful what you ask for" moments.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions ...

Thomas Jefferson, "Letter to the Danbury Baptists"

The FREEDOM is to believe what you want not to act however you want and hide it under your "religion."

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Harvin

His link isn't what he thinks it is. You should actually read it too. See my post above. Public schools don't teach creation. Two states have caveats which would allow teachers to user creationist material, however the school boards do not approve any creationist material for use in the classroom.

Ah, ok and i didnt think it would be taught in a public school or at least found it hard to believe. I dont see why they should spend much time on any of these theories except to slightly touch on them. This would alleviate all the problems. All they have to do is start with what we actually do know in present times and anyone who wants to delve further can find it on their own. Seems to me this is more for the adults, for some reason or another.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Eroding the barriers between Church and State is certainly one of those "be careful what you ask for" moments.

Agreed. Though Christians should know this by now. Let's not forget that the reason that marriage is within the domain of the state is because Christians put it there originally. And yes, it was claimed that it was for religious reasons.

dbl post

a reply to: raymundoko

The line, "unclear how many are teaching it" doesn't mean that no one is teaching it. I will concede that I didn't do the proper due diligence on that link, but you aren't entirely correct either.

Besides, that correction is just for those two states. The article goes on to list a bunch of other schools using tax credits to subsidize teaching creationism.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: raymundoko

The line, "unclear how many are teaching it" doesn't mean that no one is teaching it. I will concede that I didn't do the proper due diligence on that link, but you aren't entirely correct either.

Besides, that correction is just for those two states. The article goes on to list a bunch of other schools using tax credits to subsidize teaching creationism.

It does seem a quandary. The nuns are mandated by the government to fill a need (health insurance) but it is not their business what exactly the consumer does with said insurance but the state is mandated by the government to fill a need (education) but it IS their business what said educational voucher or tax credit is used on. Interesting.

Charter schools are not public schools. If they were anyone could go to them...

en.m.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Tax credits does not equal public school...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

a reply to: IanFleming

It really just comes down to the difference between religion and science actually. If you have trouble seeing science as anything but a religion then it seems hypocritical, but if you actually know what science IS then it is less so.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: IanFleming

It really just comes down to the difference between religion and science actually. If you have trouble seeing science as anything but a religion then it seems hypocritical, but if you actually know what science IS then it is less so.

Of course, one is an intellectual discipline and one is a philosophy and thus are not comparable.

However, that's not really the point is it? One one hand we have "provide the service and STFU about what it is used for" and the other is "provide the service and we'll jolly well tell you what it's used for."

Seems a bit of a double standard to me.

originally posted by: IanFleming
The more mandated coverage , the greater the cost.

Right, that's because there's more payouts so naturally the cost increases.

As long as we're using insurance for anything and everything though, this is simply the way it's going to be. If we scaled insurance back to only covering catastrophic costs like it should be doing things would be different.