The Truth of Things

a reply to: Itisnowagain

This room is appearing but there was no thought required for it to happen.

Do you honestly believe that? There were people who actually thought about that room/house/building and then they built it. It didn't just appear but came to life as an idea/thought

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

The image of light is where the creator (Spirit) and creation (body) meet to form life, the thing that is always happening. You cannot have one without the other, you cannot BE one without the other in my opinion.

I disagree completely. That's like saying a painter cannot exist without a painting. The painter does not depend on the painting, the painting depends on the painter to improve it. Even if there is no painting, the painter can just make a new one. The body is the temple for the spirit of the creator. It's the body that depends on spirit to make it, not the other way around.

originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: Itisnowagain

This room is appearing but there was no thought required for it to happen.

Do you honestly believe that? There were people who actually thought about that room/house/building and then they built it. It didn't just appear but came to life as an idea/thought

Is this room appearing now or is a story about how the room was built appearing? Seeing is happening - within the seeing, this room is appearing and there maybe a story about the room.
Ok - is any thought needed for the sky to appear?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Not currently, but a thought was needed for the sky to appear. The Divine Mind created it. Our thoughts added to it. Now we may see airplanes in the sky, etc.

The Mind is The Creator.

a reply to: arpgme

But what good is a painter if there is no painting? How can you label a painter just that without him ever having a painting? Paintings are what define what a painter is, because without a painting how could you consider him a painter at all? Our bodies are the paintings, our Spirit is the painter. There are infinite paintings and the painter never runs out of paint to use. You cannot have one (painter) without the other (painting) and vice versa.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Nevertheless

Seems as though you didn't read my entire OP, I asked at the end of my post not to comment if you had nothing constructive to add.

Yes, I saw that. As already stated, there were things in the OP that didn't make much sense.
The idea with a forum is discussion. Especially if one CREATES a thread, it is expected to receive replies. Especially when in disagreement, otherwise there would not be any discussion. Some have probably even started discussing just that very line you wrote, whether you like it or not. Most people probably find a line like that rather idiotic.
Spreading nonsense and telling people not to stop you is a clear sign of you not even being prepared to defend the illogical statements.

a reply to: arpgme

Not currently, but a thought was needed for the sky to appear.

Is thought needed for seeing and hearing to be happening?
Does seeing and hearing require thought?

The basis of all religion and cults is to "CEASE THOUGHT" and come to God.

Because people who THINK realize the ridiculousness of religion almost immediately.

The first lesson taught in The Bible is that eating from the Tree of Knowledge is the Original Sin.

This is because religious leaders knew, even in 400 AD when The Bible was being put together (by man, NOT by God), that KNOWLEDGE is contrary to the teachings of The Church, which attempts to control the masses with mind control and brainwashing techniques.

"oh, The Bible doesn't HAVE to make sense, you have to have FAITH in it" is the sort of nonsense preached at every Church in the world.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Is thought needed for seeing and hearing to be happening?
Does seeing and hearing require thought?

Anything that happens first needed The Mind to bring it into awareness. No Mind, no awareness (of thought).

a reply to: Nevertheless

What did you add to the discussion though? An attack on my credibility, saying I have lost touch with reality. How is that constructive to the topic at hand? I don't mind opposing views, but at least back up those views with something other than an attack on my sanity or credibility.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
The thing is, those in power intentionally distract us with these material possessions in order to benefit off of our ignorance

You never stated how they benefit or how we benefit from living in the now.

Are you not trying to convince yourself that I am wrong?

The diffence is that I don't have a final destination that I am trying to reach. What you did with the word History, which has really no bearing on living in the now, is no different than numerology. Let's manipulate numbers until we "see" the secret meaning. If you can do it in a couple operations, great, if it takes a few more then, fine, and almost always you will find people taking whatever "leaps" necesary to reach what they want.

I'm really just trying to point out that this is all you did. At this point I don't even care if you see it.

a reply to: daskakik

I understand where you're coming from, but what I did with the word history was look back on a very defined path etymologically to the original meaning of the word. That path lead through words meaning "story" and "to see" with "to see" being the most base and literal meaning of the original word. There was no jumping through hoops on my part, the path is there for anyone who takes the time to look.

Do you disagree that the word history has its roots in a word that meant "to see"? If you do then you are denying the history of language.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Do you disagree that the word history has its roots in a word that meant "to see"? If you do then you are denying the history of language.

Well it isn't surprising, since it is used to describe retelling what one has seen. Although true, I don't see the importance that you are giving it. Especially since history can be wrong, written by the victor or forgotten.

Besides, living in the now means, in part, leaving history aside. Thinking about it, it goes against what this thread is about.

a reply to: Bluesma

Strange. I've never met anyone who could escape the present. You must've found a crack in the fabric of time.

Whether you focus on the things around you or your own thoughts, whether you relax or not, stop and smell the roses as the platitude goes, you must necessarily be doing so in the present. Thoughts too are present stimuli—they cannot be anything else.

I probably should remember this is more a self-help principle than a metaphysical one, and everyone here apparently needs self-help.

"Those in power" don't want us to be in The Now and use the feelings of lack of material goods to keep people feeling unsatisfied and away from The Now. True.


Even more importantly though, they don't want people to believe in The Power of Miracles. They want to keep people feeling powerless and they program people to lack Faith.

This is The Real Truth of Things...

People have cured cancer with Law of Attraction, peoe have healed blood problems with EFT, people have grew unbalanced short legs with the power of Faith. Why does this not get as popular as celebrities? Why is this ignored by mainstream news? Look at Anita Moorjani and all of the other thousands of people who use Faith/Belief with their success stories.

Why is powerlessness/faithlessness being promoted as the "real" way to life?

a reply to: arpgme

"Those in power" don't want us to be in The Now and use the feelings of lack of material goods to keep people feeling unsatisfied and away from The Now. True.

Sure they do. They'd rather you buy their product now rather than later. They want you to view their commercials now. What they do not want you to do is think about the repercussions. They don't want you to think about the past and future. People, for the most part, cannot think more than two-steps ahead.

Even more importantly though, they don't want people to believe in The Power of Miracles. They want to keep people feeling powerless and they program people to lack Faith.

This is The Real Truth of Things...

People have cured cancer with Law of Attraction, peoe have healed blood problems with EFT, people have grew unbalanced short legs with the power of Faith. Why does this not get as popular as celebrities? Why is this ignored by mainstream news? Look at Anita Moorjani and all of the other thousands of people who use Faith/Belief with their success stories.

Why is powerlessness/faithlessness being promoted as the "real" way to life?

Compare these few "success stories" to the ones that never work. The other day, in the city I live in presently there was a woman who attempted to use faith-healing on her ill child. The child died painfully. What you're attempting to sell here is insidiously dangerous and stupid.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

The truth of things, is that once one identifies oneself
as 'spiritual' or 'evolved' or 'wise' then one is hopelessly
lost in delusion.

That's my take on it!

There's a world of people.. possibly hundreds of millions.. who
all scream and gesticulate for others to acknowledge
their wisdom.

I would highly suspect, that every last one of them
is 'wrong'.

Yet they are compelled to spew forth their thoughts.

The interesting question I believe, is why do they
do this? What lack inside of themselves causes
this behavior?

Perhaps others might be allowed to live, without
being told how to think and what to do?

Just a thought.

Kev

The truth of things, is that once one identifies oneself as 'spiritual' or 'evolved' or 'wise' then one is hopelessly lost in delusion.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
So forgive me if I am not reading you right, but what you are really saying is that identification leads to delusion. Or perhaps is just plain silly! So that aside then, we are free to decide on any subject, but to identify will do us more harm than benefit us. We will be lost in hopelessness till we step out or snap out of the state of self hypnosis.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

There's many success stories. Anita Moorjani saw the other side and she kbows using Faith to do miracles is real and she did it. Many people lack faith.

How come they never show the many people who die from regular medicine on the mainstream news? Why do they always show the few cases of when fairh healing didn't work?

Note: I'm NOT saying to not take medicine. That wasn't my point. My point is that Faith without doubt has the power to do things which people are being taught is impossible.

originally posted by: ancientthunder

The truth of things, is that once one identifies oneself as 'spiritual' or 'evolved' or 'wise' then one is hopelessly lost in delusion.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
So forgive me if I am not reading you right, but what you are really saying is that identification leads to delusion. Or perhaps is just plain silly! So that aside then, we are free to decide on any subject, but to identify will do us more harm than benefit us. We will be lost in hopelessness till we step out or snap out of the state of self hypnosis.

What I'm saying is that I too was delusional about being 'enlightened'
for a long time.. heck I was going to have a global movement
woven around me, if I properly 'played ball'.

So I was just speaking from experience... i can see the delusional
symptoms from a mile away, having experienced them myself.

That said.. I do not wish to fall prey to the same stigmata as
I was criticizing by answering your question.

But perhaps I can ask you a couple questions that might help
you come up with your own answers.

Do you believe you have an immortal soul or spirit?

So then you'd need to be 'spiritual' in order to tend
to that soul and/or spirit?

Where do you think those concepts came from?

Do you think those are healthy concepts?

Since souls or spirits are linked to the human survival
mechanism (as an 'out'), would you say that would be
a very primal need / desire (to survive spiritually)?

If someone or something was going to take control
of the human race, what inner needs would be the
most powerful ones to corrupt in order to control?

Sex? Survival?

HMMM.

Have you seen any evidence of those topics being
utilized in any spiritual or religious system?

Think out loud and share with the class!

Kev