The Truth of Things

a reply to: Bluesma

I don't understand the need to constantly attempt to remind folks to "experience now"' when we couldn't even hope to do the opposite. Why make a principle of what we ourselves already do anyways? It's like saying we should remember to circulate blood or breathe.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Bluesma

I don't understand the need to constantly attempt to remind folks to "experience now"' when we couldn't even hope to do the opposite. Why make a principle of what we ourselves already do anyways? It's like saying we should remember to circulate blood or breathe.

But no one is making the blood circulate - it just happens. There is no one doing now! Now is all there is and it is doing itself.
Ideas happen now about someone who can do stuff in time - that's the joke!

a reply to: LesMisanthrope
Now I am with you, now I am not, emptiness is form form is emptyiness.Taking sides makes one lobsided!

a reply to: Itisnowagain

The body make the blood circulate. You are a body. Therefor you make the blood circulate.

a reply to: ancientthunder

Walking a constant tightrope, one is sure to lose his balance.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Itisnowagain

The body make the blood circulate. You are a body. Therefor you make the blood circulate.

The body is just happening, there is no me doing the body.
All that is appearing is just appearing, all that is moving is just moving - there is no one choosing to do anything because all is just happening.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Itisnowagain

The body make the blood circulate. You are a body. Therefor you make the blood circulate.

The body is just happening, there is no me doing the body.
All that is appearing is just appearing, all that is moving is just moving - there is no one choosing to do anything because all is just happening.

The body doesn't just happen. Try not drinking water a few days.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope


The body doesn't just happen. Try not drinking water a few days.

Thirst happens and body moves toward water - it just happens.
There is no body that can choose not to have thirst.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Itisnowagain

That's because you're speaking of nothing.

Nothing is often believed to be lack of everything but nothing is everything - all there is - which is, this that is happening.
What is happening is what there is.

The only 'thing' (which is not a thing) that is constant is the space out of which all forms arise.
To be or not to be. That is the question.
If you are (if you have existence) then you are the space in which the light moves.

You are not some separate 'thing' which appears within the light.

The light makes pictures but you are not IN the picture - you are the entire light which the picture consists of.
'We are such stuff that dreams are made on' Shakespeare.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Bluesma

I don't understand the need to constantly attempt to remind folks to "experience now"' when we couldn't even hope to do the opposite. Why make a principle of what we ourselves already do anyways? It's like saying we should remember to circulate blood or breathe.

I don't personally find it "something I do anyway", perhaps I have a handicap or deficit of some kind!

There are times I get very caught up in thought about what might happen in the future, pulling upon my memories of what happened in past to make estimations of potentials, making judgements between those potentials of which are "desireable" and which are not, and what choices of thought or action next will increase the potential for the desireable futures, and decrease the potential for the undesireable ones...

Doing so makes me less focused on the pure sensation of experience in the moment - in the wordless, timeless being.

I can actually miss out on percieving some present stimuli because my focus of thought has created a bias - only being aware of sensual input that is pertinant to my direction. Responsibility requires that concentration of awareness, like a laser, whereas powerlessness allows one to diffuse awareness and receptivity.

I find I can get too long caught up in either mode of experience- being too responsible for too long (becoming stressed or burned out) or too passive for too long, so that I am lazy, dependant, and letting myself be abused or used by others because of my exterior apathy and inner peace.

I guess that wouldn't matter if I didn't have relationships like a partner, parents, children... the abuse and passivity I might have no problem submitting to they would be effected by, so in an ironic way, my selflessness is a form of selfishness in relation to them! "You're not really there, so I don't need to be concerned about what happens to you or what you experience".......

Anyways, yeah, I do need to remind myself at times to stop, relax, let go of all thought and delve into the senses of my body in the present.
I'm going to go lay out in the grass and do that right now, in fact - I've been dealing with too much focused thought this week dealing with a new job and the resolution of a break with the last one, so I'm going to take my own advice and retire/heal right now.

It's great if you don't ever have to remind yourself to do that and it happens to you automatically.

originally posted by: Bluesma


It's great if you don't ever have to remind yourself to do that and it happens to you automatically.

Who reminds you to remind you? Doesn't remembering just happen or not? Couldn't it be said that it all just happens automatically?
The idea is that there is a separate you which chooses to do things - that there is a you that reminds you to do things - but the thought and action happens or does not.

There is Mind, The Logos, The Word, The Creator and then there is Creation, The Physical.

The external world is a reflection of the inner world.

We are created The Now we are in. There is no such thing as coincidence or randomness. We are Eternal Creators. All things are a creation filled with meaning. We can change the inner world (thoughts/ beliefs), and the outer will reflect that.


Someone who tells you that you don't exist and that the now happens automatically is working for darkness (which they sometimes call "emptiness") and trying to cause confusion and get you to forget and give up your power and free-will.

You are God. The body is only a temple for The Creative Light within (The Mind).

originally posted by: arpgme
The external world is a reflection of the inner world.

What appears (what is happening) is not inside or outside - what appears is what there is.

We are created The Now we are in. There is no such thing as coincidence or randomness. We are Eternal Creators. All things are a creation filled with meaning. We can change the inner world (thoughts/ beliefs), and the outer will reflect that.

There is no 'we' - there is just what is happening - nothing other. Thoughts happen, computers happen, bodies happen - no one is doing any of it. Ideas about a 'me in time' happen. Ideas about there being a 'me' that is separate to all that is, happen.

Someone who tells you that you don't exist and that the now happens automatically is working for darkness (which they sometimes call "emptiness") and trying to cause confusion and get you to forget and give up your power and free-will.

Now is appearing to exist - if you exist then you exist as what is happening.
Is there anything other than what is happening?
There maybe an assumption, an idea (a story) happening that says what is happening is happening to you - but there is no separate you. There is just life - which is simply just happening.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

What appears is not inside or outside - what appears is what there is.

There is an inside of a cup and an outside.

There is no 'we' - there is just what is happening

The Mind is the cause.
The physical world is the effect.
We are not body (effect), we are the cause.

Now is appearing to exist - if you exist then you exist as what is happening.
Is there anything other than what is happening?

No, I exist as what is causing things to happen. For example, I am causing this post to exist. I, The Mind, created it and now it exists for others to read.

originally posted by: arpgme

There is an inside of a cup and an outside.

Is the external cup a refection of the inner cup?

There is no within to what you are - no within or without to reality. All arises from source but is not different from source - all is source.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Is the external cup a refection of the inner cup?

Yes, the Thought/Idea of the cup (internal world) led to the external/physical cup.

There is no within to what I am but there is a within to the body I use - me, The Mind. The external world (physical) is only a reflection of the internal world (mental).

a reply to: arpgme

We are both actually, body and mind. We are both the creator and creation. The image of light is where the creator (Spirit) and creation (body) meet to form life, the thing that is always happening. You cannot have one without the other, you cannot BE one without the other in my opinion.

originally posted by: arpgme
The external world (physical) is only a reflection of the internal world (mental).

Thoughts come and go and are constantly changing - just like all that appears.
This room is appearing but there was no thought required for it to happen.