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originally posted by: FurvusRexCaeli
originally posted by: halfmask
That is an interesting article on vaccines being related to peanut allergies. I was never sold on the vaccines cause autism thing but I was always wondering about other potential effects and also wondered about the different ways they manufactured and synthesized vaccines. In general in theory vaccines should be safe when used appropriately, however, just like all things how is the quality control? Are there regular inspections and studies?
Yes. There is continuous monitoring of adverse effects (even made-up ones reported to VAERS), and the government funds research into the same.
Supposedly you guys in America are expected to give your children 60+ vaccines which is ridiculous is this number true?
No, it's not true. See for yourself.
originally posted by: halfmask
originally posted by: FurvusRexCaeli
originally posted by: halfmask
That is an interesting article on vaccines being related to peanut allergies. I was never sold on the vaccines cause autism thing but I was always wondering about other potential effects and also wondered about the different ways they manufactured and synthesized vaccines. In general in theory vaccines should be safe when used appropriately, however, just like all things how is the quality control? Are there regular inspections and studies?
Yes. There is continuous monitoring of adverse effects (even made-up ones reported to VAERS), and the government funds research into the same.
Supposedly you guys in America are expected to give your children 60+ vaccines which is ridiculous is this number true?
No, it's not true. See for yourself.
Using the site you linked, I generated a scheduled for a made up child, and I counted 36 vaccine shots, definitively not 60+.
originally posted by: smkymcnugget420
a reply to: GetHyped
You do know VAERS is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. run by the US health and human services right!?
Like other spontaneous reporting systems, VAERS has several limitations, including underreporting, unverified reports, inconsistent data quality, absence of a control group that is not vaccinated, and inadequate data about the number of people vaccinated. Indeed, an autism activist named Jim Laidler once reported to VAERS that a vaccine had turned him into The Incredible Hulk. The report was accepted and entered into the database, but the dubious nature thereof prompted a VAERS representative to contact Mr. Laidler, who then gave his consent to delete the report.[4]
If everyone acknowledges that they aren't 100% safe then when should they be mandatory.
find me a single person who says vaccines are safe 100% of the time
is the death on one innocent child by government mandate worth it... i don't think it is
originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
a reply to: FurvusRexCaeli
I call BS on the proper monitoring of side effects. Go back and read my anecdote. I was totally blown off by my pediatrician/his nurse and told that being 'fussy' was totally normal. I'm no alarmist, but there was something definitely wrong with my baby after the DTaP. I had to INSIST that they put it down as an adverse reaction in his chart AND send a report to VAERS. I could tell, even over the phone, that the nurse didn't really give a crap. So I doubt she reported it as she should.
How many more are like me? How many had a baby screaming bloody murder for several hours and didn't even try to report it? Maybe Jackson screaming WAS just normal 'fussy'....but according to research- that I had to do on my own- it could have very well been encephalitis. There would be no way to know without an MRI at the time of the inflammation. And a subsequent dose of whatever he was reacting to could have made it worse. Maybe, maybe not. But I'm not taking that chance. My son is a beautiful, happy, energetic, intelligent guy and I intend to keep it that way. I'll take whooping cough over brain damage any day.
Measles - one in 5,000 children contracting wild measles will develop acute Encephalitis: 3 out of 20 of those children who develop Encephalitis will die from it and 20-40% of those who develop Encephalitis will be left with permanent after-effects. Less than one in a million children who had vaccination will develop Encephalitis from the vaccination which is less than the incidence of all types of Encephalitis.
There is no way of predicting who will have an adverse reaction to a vaccination. The individual’s susceptibility may be determined by their genetic background and previous immunological history. A checklist for contraindications is included in Guidance from the Department of Health.
originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
a reply to: Harte
From your own source:
There is no way of predicting who will have an adverse reaction to a vaccination. The individual’s susceptibility may be determined by their genetic background and previous immunological history. A checklist for contraindications is included in Guidance from the Department of Health.
So, if you don't vaccinate there's x amount of risk of your child contracting the disease. If they contract it there is y risk of adverse side effects. If you do vaccinate there's z amount of risk associated with the vaccinations. "Previous immunological history" as mentioned in above quote becomes moot when doctors discount adverse effects altogether and write off dangerous symptoms as 'normal fussiness'.
originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
Parenting is a craps shoot. You just have to go on an individual basis and weigh your options carefully. "Every child should get all their vaccinations." is just as dangerous as "No children should ever get their vaccinations."
Your child should not receive a booster vaccine if he or she had a life-threatening allergic reaction after the first shot.
Keep track of any and all side effects your child has after receiving this vaccine. When the child receives a booster dose, you will need to tell the doctor if the previous shot caused any side effects.
Get emergency medical help if your child has any of these signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of the face, lips, tongue, or throat.
Call your doctor at once if you or your child has a serious side effect such as:
high fever (103 degrees or higher);
seizure (convulsions);
wheezing, trouble breathing;
severe stomach pain, severe vomiting or diarrhea;
easy bruising or bleeding; or
severe pain, itching, irritation, or skin changes where the shot was given.
Less serious side effects include
crying, fussiness;
headache, tired feeling;
muscle or joint pain;
drowsiness, sleeping more or less than usual;
mild redness, swelling, tenderness, or a hard lump where the shot was given;
loss of appetite, mild vomiting or diarrhea;
low fever (102 degrees or less), chills; or
mild skin rash.
This is not a complete list of side effects and others may occur.
originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
a reply to: Agartha
I'm not even going to say it was encephalitis. I do know that whatever it was, was NOT normal for him. And I had 6 months to get to know what was normal for him. When you start pumping babies full of vaccines from birth- especially if it's a first child- even the parents don't know what's normal.
Next week we're going for just the DT...not the DTaP that didn't go so well. I really want him to be vaccinated against Tetanus. Hell, even my horse and goats are vaccinated and I gave them the shots myself! Needless to say, I will be monitoring very closely.
Here's a snip from the Prevnar vaccine warnings, which are typical for any vaccine:
Your child should not receive a booster vaccine if he or she had a life-threatening allergic reaction after the first shot.
Keep track of any and all side effects your child has after receiving this vaccine. When the child receives a booster dose, you will need to tell the doctor if the previous shot caused any side effects.
Get emergency medical help if your child has any of these signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of the face, lips, tongue, or throat.
Call your doctor at once if you or your child has a serious side effect such as:
high fever (103 degrees or higher);
seizure (convulsions);
wheezing, trouble breathing;
severe stomach pain, severe vomiting or diarrhea;
easy bruising or bleeding; or
severe pain, itching, irritation, or skin changes where the shot was given.
Less serious side effects include
crying, fussiness;
headache, tired feeling;
muscle or joint pain;
drowsiness, sleeping more or less than usual;
mild redness, swelling, tenderness, or a hard lump where the shot was given;
loss of appetite, mild vomiting or diarrhea;
low fever (102 degrees or less), chills; or
mild skin rash.
This is not a complete list of side effects and others may occur.
Here's my concern: your baby has one of these reactions, you tell your pediatrician, they dismiss it as normal 'fussiness' when in fact it was the indication of an adverse effect, you take them at their word, a couple of months later you get the booster as recommended ....and your child ends up having a much more serious reaction. It could have been avoided if your doc was more up front about things.
one of the largest studies of its kind and the only one as far as i know where an entire type of vaccine was removed from a nation . and the results?
A link has been postulated between the specific use of the triple MMR vaccine and the rise of childhood autism. Though very considerable research has shown there to be no connection, some people continue to believe in such a link and they propose use of single vaccines instead. In Japan, MMR vaccine was introduced in 1989, but the programme was terminated in 1993 and only single vaccines used thereafter. The experience of Japan therefore constitutes a real-world experiment of replacing triple MMR vaccine with single vaccines because of problems with production. If the proponents of a link between MMR and autism are correct, the result should be that cases of autism fall after withdrawal of MMR. Study The study was conducted in a part of Yokohama with a population of about 300,000, and which was stable, or reflected changes typical for Japanese society as a whole, over the period of the study. The population was served by a special centre (Yokohama Rehabilitation Centre) that included a developmental psychiatry unit with early intervention services for developmental disorders. There was in place an early detection and intervention system that included specific routine checkups at four, 18 and 36 months, working to defined diagnostic criteria. At 18 months, about 90% of children participated in the programme, but those who did not, or those who were missed by the programme, could be referred by nurseries, paediatric clinics, or other services. These services began in 1987, two years before introduction of MMR. Not only did the study have specific diagnostic criteria, therefore, but also ensured a complete coverage of a defined population, consistently over a period covering the introduction and withdrawal of the triple MMR vaccine. Each birth cohort from 1988 to 1996 was followed up to age seven years, and results presented for all autistic spectrum disorders, for autism, and for autism associated with regression. The cumulative incidence per 10,000 children for each diagnosis was calculated for each year.
so hopefully this can put the mmr =autism debate to rest
The incidence of all autistic spectrum disorders, and of autism, continued to rise after MMR vaccine was discontinued. The incidence of autism was higher in children born after 1992 who were not vaccinated with MMR than in children born before 1992 who were vaccinated. The incidence of autism associated with regression was the same during the use of MMR and after it was discontinued. The increase of autistic spectrum disorders was evident in children with higher IQ. Comment The increase in autism and autistic spectrum disorders in this part of Yokohama displays the same increase over time seen in other parts of the world. Here, though, the increase occurred even when the MMR vaccine was withdrawn. This destroys any possible causative link between use of the vaccine and autism. Perhaps the most important features of the study were that it comprehensively covered a population, and that the population was served by a special service testing children for developmental; disorders and using standard methods over the whole period. The quality and validity of the study is superlative, and the size good. Whatever causes autism, it is not the MMR vaccine.
originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
a reply to: ComplexCassandra
There's no way to know without an MRI done at the time of inflammation. All I know is that I had 6 months to get to know this little guy and the only time he screamed like that was when he got stung by a wasp. And even with the wasp sting he settled down after a while- he didn't continue screaming for 4 hours.
Here's the thing: IF it had been an adverse reaction to the vaccine (which I'm not even saying it was) then a subsequent shot of the same vaccine could have done irreparable damage. Doctors are so cowed by pharma that they blow off possible adverse reactions as normal 'fussiness' and WILL NOT admit to parents that damages can be caused by vaccines.