If Iran nuked Israel..

a reply to: Puppylove

I agree that you disagree

My feeling is...too much busyness would be lost...how many jewish people live in the US ? How many are well placed economic players ?

I think it's not as easy as you make it out to be. I doubt that any dissolving will done to Israel. Ever. Whatever they do...it can always be spinned as "preemptive" strike. The US likes those.

a reply to: Marcus069

What would happen if Iran nuked Saudi Arabia?

What would happen if India nuked Pakistan?

What would happen if China nuked India?

What would happen if Israel nuked Syria?

What would happen if El Chapo nuked Mexico?

Seems like most nations squabble over debt and resources. Neither of which can be attained from the end of a nuke. Who benefits? If anyone's likely to use a nuke it's a 1st world nation. I mean historically speaking.....

heres how i see it going

1.iran launches 1 or more icbms at Israel proper

2.iron dome arms and the dolphins surface and start launch procedure ,isreli aircraft attempt to scramble to not get caught on the ground and civilans attempt to get to shelters

3.america,india,pakistan,russia,turky/rest of nato,china and Israel raises its def con level/equivalent,and appropriate forces mobilize relevant forces

4 any forces (naval) try to get up wind and out of any potenal blast radius. and pretty much any one with SSBNS puts them on alert and either tells them to await possible war orders and surface in preparation of SLBM launch or dive deep or second strike

5 entirely too many frantic calls to the un ,and obama probally calls Israel and other allies to form some kind of strategy

6. iron dome attempts to engage icbm(s) and collectively the world needs a bunch of new underwear ,if it sucessfully engages the nuke the Israeli government probably debates either a full counter attack with its own nuclear aresenal or an overwhelming air attack meant to cripple the command and control centers . if it fails a good deal of isrealis probally glow green and they launch what ever they have at any one they possibly have a grudge with and the middle east burns.

7a if the nukes go off possible counter attacks from allied nations and or declarations of war and isreli missiles are probally approaching targets in iran ,as well as possible other nuclear armed nations sending more icbms isreals way depending on who they launched nukes at and we get our self a moderate nuclear exchange and tens if not hundereds of millions dead .

7b if they dont go off id see most of the focus being on containing situation and attempting to keep it from escalating (controling Israeli and Iranian actions further and keeping others from joining in) and america and russia try to stop a full blown nuclear exchange (historically the only thing that has stopped the Israelis when they were intent on doing something is Russia and the USA telling them to back off at the same time) either way the un and a good deal of the citizens of the world will be flipping the frack out


8a assuming Israeli nuclear forces launched every thing they got we can assume eqypt,syria,pakistan,saudi arabia,iran,UAE,anywhere isis is and perhaps jordan have been hit and heavily dammaged as nation states (going off of memory who they may not like if this were to go down) this would undoubtedly illicit a response from pakistan which if i am remembering my geography correctly would have to launch its counter attack over India which i dont see them being to happy about given how they get along and the circumstances so that has the chance of esclation as well.(EDIT NVM pakistan is on the left side of india so no need to go over india

8b. assuming usa and russia (or un take your pick) have managed to calm the situation to a point no one has lobbed any more nukes there will definitely be some kind of UN or otherwise allied coalition formed to both descalate the situation and as well most likely go in to occupy the aggressor as well as the potental victicm(us troops to isreali lands and russian troops to iran if allowed in hopes of stopping a conflict) either way war will be on the table with an empasis of keeping the isrelis from launching nukes like candy.

9a if at this point pakistans icbms have landed we can pretty much check off isreal from the map as a nation as well as a good deal of the nations they hit and if india gets invovled its all down hill from there and more people die and price of oil shoots through the roof not to mention what ever the fallout would be doing by this point and we may enter a game over situation

9b.if major war has been avoided at this point we get to frigging cheer and hope for not to many civilian causalites in the eventual air war by who or whom ever ends up invading iran over lobbing a nuke and the world collectively catches its breath obama and putin look more creidible to various constituents and hopefully it would improve relations ,still tenuous situation but hopefully we have dodged nuclear Armageddon

10a if its gone more then regional we got problems as at the very least a good deal of the oil producing region of the earth just got flattened and irradiated and an entire area of the planet taken out which in concert with the fall out may take out the fledgling economies of the world in a combo of econmic ruin and food shortages

10b. if we avoid any one getting nuked we should be cheering and hoping nothing like this ever happens again


TLDR a very very very very bad things

b.still pretty bad but not nuclear

www.jpost.com... j post take on the matter (isreali first strike vs iranian one)

wargamingcommunity.wordpress.com... compendium of various war game scenarios that i think were mostly done by think tanks and reserach groups

www.mcclatchydc.com... how an attack could back fire

www.washingtonpost.com... one covering how it could esclate quickly for a variety of reasons

www.globalresearch.ca... one link from global research

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

We're talking a nuke here. It doesn't matter how you "spin" it, no one profits from allowing the nuke card to become acceptable for any reason. Any attempt to "spin" is a definite case for world war, because at that point the nuke is officially out of the bag. It's no longer a vague threat, it's real. If you honestly think Israel would survive that with just a slap on the wrist I don't know what to tell you.

The only way to put the Nuke BACK into the box is to make an example of any nation crazy enough to deploy one.

a reply to: Puppylove

According to your line of reasoning...any nation that would dare to use nukes would immediately get crushed by other nuke nations, right ?

So does that go for US also ? Russia ? China ?...or is it a rule that only applies to smaller nations ?

Do you honestly believe if in some god forsaken hypothetical scenario..the US initiates a nuke attack on...let's say Syria...that they would immediately get crushed/attacked/nuked (gang-banged) by Russia and China ?

I think that all nations would refrain from initiating any attacks in this scenario, unless they themselves were being attacked.

You are looking at all this from a valid moral perspective...but I fear..morality is lost in today's crazy political theater.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

If any of your above nations go nuke happy we're all #ed.

a reply to: Puppylove
It is not in Iran's playbook to do anything except support a defensive stance against the main antagonist of the region, Israel. Iran does not have anything against the Jewish people (largest jewish population in world outside of Israel is in Iran) Iran has a problem with Zionists. Oh yeah, many Jewish also have a problem with Zionists as well. I wonder why that is….

a reply to: RalagaNarHallas
You are delusional of you think that Iran launches anything first.

a reply to: notmyrealname

Right I was responding to the Israel nuking Iran reverse scenario. I already said Iran nuking Israel is a silly idea. I don't think even Israel is that dumb honestly. But they have the, we can do what we want and get away with it mentality, so I do give the reverse scenario more credence even if a ridiculously small one.

Heck I'd believe an Israel false flag 1st.

Firstly, when I clicked on the thread I thought I was on a page in the thread, because there was NO opening post that I could ascertain at first, when I finally accepted the fact that it is a sentence. So, I guess one can't be bothered anymore. Oh well, makes one wonder why to bother to post. Should be moved to chat since that is all it is.

In the event of Iran bombing Israel, it would of course throw us immediately into full-blown WWWIII. No way around it. The big powers would get into it without hesitation, and there ya go. Done and done.

****There are threads teaching how to make an OP. Read them.

This has to be the most overtly annoying and discussed BS topic among every political forum and mind of westerners.

Iran is a Member of the NPT, No Nukes.

Israel is not, And has around 400 Nukes.

Iran is not seeking Nukes, Nukes are Banned by the Ayatollah.

If Iran Seekd Nukes, it would be its right as any other country, and it could attain it, nobody could stop insignificant nations as NK/PK/SA even India/China...Iran will just be another Nuclear Armed State in the list.

Even if Iran obtained some Nukes, every other State out numbers them, So it wiil serve as a Weapon - Tit for Tat. or MAD scenario, Iran won't logically be one to fire first as its suicide, however if somebody did fire at them or wanted to shake their willy they can do the same (Resulting in a world war as more allies and axis join in).

That Aside. Nor Israel or Iran or USA/UK/West(Israel Slaves) will compromise allowing a Nuclear Exchange in the Region where both entities want to live. Zion, Bankers/TPTB whatever you want to cal it that has their grips over the Superpowers, will never allow it, Iran cant do it as the fall out will contaminate the very land and region, same reason applies to israel.. Why would I burn down the very house I want to occupy and live in? Israel being the tiny colonial european created nation for european jewish converts, wants to eventually expand between both rivers(click click); however will eventually have to dismantle and go back or live under arab/middle eastern Rule/One State. Call it what you like. From where I see it, There are many ways to remove parasites from a home then burning it down.

Israeli Nukes are to be used against the Western European World(Samson Option)

Everybody has Nukes these days, and the World doesn't start and end at USA/UK/France and a few pawn western countries, If USA wanted to Nuke Iran, they would spark a WW3, the actual world (and thats a whole lota countries) wouldn't mind leveling flat the blood thirsty murderous US Empire, with its people, USA will be a pile of melted fat before its allowed to get the whole world killed in a Nuclear Holocaust. Half the world hates USA! Even Americans are begining to hate it now lol.

a reply to: Puppylove

I personalty think most people have just about had it with your warmongering postures and basically until you westerners have been completely "taken out" and dumped into the dustbin of history, and until you are given to taste the venom you inject upon the world around you, your arrogance and ignorance will know no bounds.

Who is this World you talk about? USA? UK? France? These 3 are the world? USA, UK, USSR and 45 Arab states couldn't Take out Iran when Iran had nothing in 1980's while everybody was behind their mad dog Saddam after Iranians chose to over throwing the American Puppet Shah. You will take Iran out? USA had its ass handed to it by Farmers in Asia. Rag tag milita of goat riders with AK47's made in their homes. You say some ex US hired & trained (during afghan jihad) arab guy named osama from a cave in afghanistan(what the heck is an arab doing in afghanistan?) used a coat hanger and a box cutter to take our the great "US Security" and all that mumbo jumbo.. C'mon you americans need to stop watching your hollywood.

Whos going to take out Iran? USA + tiny UK? + 1 gear front 7 geras rear FR? + Some Fat Arab Toyota Freedom Fighters? + Robocop, Batman, Superman and all. Get real.. How did the last attempt to put Boots on Syria go, no backing from UK/FR or EU? As for being little # country? We have toilets in houses that are older then your founding masters country, and created the first and largest empire the ancient world had seen, twice! When Iran had Civilization the # Stain that is called the UK/USA both the Native and European population was busy living in caves without even a written language. Thanks the Romans for civilizing you crazy savages. The Humans Rights Bill and much of modern conveniences are also a contributions of Persians & Greeks, even the survival of the Christians and Jews.


We have been tried and tested for 7000 years. We have seen likes of you come and go, The Greeks, The Romans, The Crusaders, Mongols, This land has been invaded many times, and every time an Empire decides to die, they come around here, invade, make poses and gives life to a new Persian Empire, Happens every time! No barbarian takes the land of the aryans out. If your politicians got an Itch to end up like NAZI Germany, gang raped & in bits then you will surely come attack Iran.

And Save your BS about saving Millions of lives by Nuking people. Tomorrow, The World might use it against you.

a reply to: Marcus069

If Iran Nuked Israel Iran would get nuked back to oblivion in return.

Then there would be no Israel and no Iran...................mmmmmmmm

a reply to: Marcus069

I think too many would celebrate.

Just not openly.

Iran, of course, would get a very angry letter from the UN and the US might even reinitiate sanctions and also send an angry letter with very cross language.

a reply to: beezzer

Isreal have 200 odd illegal nukes themselves.


I highly doubt Israel would just die quietly sitting on them.

Soon as the first nuke is launched from Iran those 200 Israel nukes will land all over Iran and likely the ME.

No one would be celebrating as the entire ME would likely not exist any more..... all though the entire ME disappearing in the long term wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing for world peace.

a reply to: crazyewok

But then people would simply say that Israel brought this upon themselves. The west wouldn't do anything. People would blame Iranian leadership and defend the Iranian people.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: beezzer

Isreal have 200 odd illegal nukes themselves.


I highly doubt Israel would just die quietly sitting on them.

Soon as the first nuke is launched from Iran those 200 Israel nukes will land all over Iran and likely the ME.

No one would be celebrating as the entire ME would likely not exist any more..... all though the entire ME disappearing in the long term wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing for world peace.

Nuclear exchange between the two nation is not possible or acceptable by both nations, The region wont be allowed to be contaminated by either one.

World peace works both ways you know, if USA & UK and their pawns ceased to exist tomorrow, you know just disappearing in the long term going back into the anals of history like it was some 5 centuries ago. it would definitely be a great thing towards world peace.


PS: So where are these Iranian Mythical Nukes we all keep talking about, are they invisible like the Iraqi WMDS?

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: crazyewok

But then people would simply say that Israel brought this upon themselves. The west wouldn't do anything. People would blame Iranian leadership and defend the Iranian people.

There wouldn't be any Iranian people left to defend.

And what would the west do? There would be nothing left to invade or sanction of either side.

Likely it would go down in history as two retarded country's eliminating each other.


Plus I dont think anyone in the west would be celebrating nuclear annihilation of anyone. Just looking on in horror.

a reply to: crazyewok

You have a higher opinion of people than I do, my friend.

originally posted by: Aryameher


PS: So where are these Iranian Mythical Nukes we all keep talking about, are they invisible like the Iraqi WMDS?

No idea.....ask the neocons on a chickenhawks on this site they know were they are but haven't told me or anyone else .