Abortion and why it's wrong

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Well the woman DOES have to carry the child for nine months. Said child is going to be taking nutrients she is putting into her body for itself, it's weight will cause the woman not to be as mobile, she'll have to change her lifestyle, her body goes through changes. So while I DO agree that the man should be somewhat involved, I wouldn't say that the man should have 50% input. I'd give the woman overriding authority no matter what.

If the man can be held financially liable for the next 18 years, why shouldn't he have just as much say?

a reply to: TechUnique

A business built on the back of child murder. Leaves a horrible taste in the back of my mouth.

But ... but....

a video you made while (presumably) throwing up in your mouth a little:

Now, that will make it all worth it -- it'll bring in precious "likes" and "views" (and get you paid) for having a youtube channel that you pimp and peddle on ATS!

Dude, you will NEVER, EVER understand what it's like to have to make a decision that is women's to make.

originally posted by: NavyDoc



If the man can be held financially liable for the next 18 years, why shouldn't he have just as much say?

Financially liable??? LOL!!!

I don't know where you live and what your legal/social/justice system

is like but ....

The operative word in your post is #IF# more often than not they

absolve themselves from that particular responsibility.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

There is no doubt that women carry the burden. But should a potential child be taken from this world because of the mothers or fathers irresponsibility?

It's not that hard to request a lover or a spouse to use protection. The blame stops at the point of ejaculation because both parties didn't take precautions and as a result a child may never see the light of day.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

Dude, you will NEVER, EVER understand what it's like to have to make a decision that is women's to make.

Ruling over LIFE vs. DEATH was NEVER, EVER given to you to make.

It amazes me the amount of self-serving, selfishness goes into these statements.

"My body!" "My choice!" "My right!" "ME, ME, ME!"

Simply because you have a uterus does not afford you the right to murder the human life that is growing within it.

It never has, and it never will.

I am against abortions, but as a man its not my right to tell people what they should do with there body, its between a women and her doctor.

Oh and plz lose the poor your soul.

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: Krazysh0t

There is no doubt that women carry the burden. But should a potential child be taken from this world because of the mothers or fathers irresponsibility?

In a perfect world, no, but we don't live in a perfect world now do we?

It's not that hard to request a lover or a spouse to use protection. The blame stops at the point of ejaculation because both parties didn't take precautions and as a result a child may never see the light of day.

I agree. I posted earlier in the thread how countries with legalized abortions have lower abortion rates. I have also pointed out that I am a fan of proper sex education, including proper contraceptive use, over crappy and ineffective abstinence only sex education.

If Christians were TRULY about actually REDUCING abortions instead of just trying to push their morality down everyone's throats like usual, they'd be more open to exploring these ideas that would actually REDUCE abortions instead of force them to go underground and become VERY unsafe.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

If Christians were TRULY about actually REDUCING abortions instead of just trying to push their morality down everyone's throats like usual, they'd be more open to exploring these ideas that would actually REDUCE abortions instead of force them to go underground and become VERY unsafe.

Monty Python nailed it.

Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great. With every sperm that's wasted-god gets quite irate.

a reply to: tigertatzen

Don't delude yourself with your own hubris into thinking I was discussing life saving surgery...

I was talking solely about lazy/young/demented women who murder the unborn out of lack of responsibility or because they're not the sex they would like...


I don't want to hear your red herrings about dangerous birthing or rape victims...
That's not what I was discussing.

If you believe a fetus is somehow not life that is going to grow up and become a human being that can make a difference in this world then truely the world has lost hope.
The selfishness has become shameful.The right of a woman is going to be solved in courts that may have been raped or what not. To teach abortion is a good thing is dispiciple selfishness.We are not even teaching our kids to love and respect the human being you are going to have and work hard to raise it.

People actulay believe the lie that a fetus is not even life when every single one of us at one time was a fetus growing inside a women.Surely Humans are much brighter and smarter and loving and caring than this.

a reply to: TechUnique

so you would expect someone who is fairly certain that continuing a pregnancy will mean death to sacrifice her life in hopes that the baby will live a health happy life? so much so that you would take away the honor of the sacrifice by forcing her to do it. then it could either be called systematic murder of the mother or forced suicide. It seems like since it's founding that childbearing wasn't considered a sacrifice, but rather an obligation, the main reason why women were created, to bear children. and well, what would you expect from a God who's plan was to create a great nation from the seed of one man, right? yes man, have as many wives as you can possibly endure and plant you seed into to all of them as often as you can!! I want to to have 20, or 30, more would be better!! we need to create nations, powerful nations that can go forth and conquer the world in my name!!!
Childbearing might be an obligation commanded by god in your religion, but I see it as a sacrifice a women should be able to make for the purpose of giving live to another. You are a man, do you have a wife? If you wife at some point in your lives decided that the family size was right and she didn't want another child, or if she returned home from a doctor's appointment telling you that the doctor had found a reason to be concerned when it came to pregnancy, would you be willing to get a visectomy to ensure no pregnancy occurred? would you be willing to forego the intimancy involved with the procreation process till a sure method was in place to ensure no pregnancy? The christian religion has always demanded "sacrifices" of it's women and you seem to want to do the same. So, how much are you wlling to sacrifice to ensure you wife doesn't have to go through an unwanted pregnancy?

I have but only one thing to say on this thread..

If two young, loving, consenting adults at college or university are in an intimate relationship and are taking all the necessary steps for safe intimacy.. What if then the female falls pregnant?

All the right precautions have been made. There is a clear reason why people would not want to bring a child into this world mid education, or without a secure job. Nobody with a love for life would want to bring a child into a world of poverty and displacement.

Would you turn to the couple and say they've made the right choice interms of a termination, or would you say congratulations - you're just another statistic? If people are using sensible contracteption and it fails abortion is a very realisitic option in the aforementioned circumstances, along with many others.

Can you imagine the level of poverty and ruin this world would undergoe if contraception and abortion wasn't available? As an example take those adverts you see of staving children in foreign countries, dying in the streets with not enough energy to keep the flies off of them. Without the option of abortion or contraception those 'adverts' could very well be in your country.

a reply to: Seamrog

I'm glad you responded, because I have some questions for you.

First of all, I'm sorry that you and your wife were unable to conceive, that is a shame.

Now - I wonder (and of course you don't have to tell me or anyone else) - did you consider adopting a child who had severe disabilities? Half of a brain (it happens, and a couple who were friends with my parents adopted one of them...then had to 'give him back' because they were unequipped to deal with his birth defects)? Or were you carefully screening the mothers who had opted for adoption - were you concerned about their backgrounds, their health, or their race or age or anything else?

Do you know if the mothers you came across were drug addicts or had any genetic issues that were inheritable?
Do you know the circumstances of how they became pregnant?
Did it matter to you?

Did you monitor the mother's pregnancy and were you privileged to the medical records, the growth of the baby in utero?

Or did you pay your $40K for the first available baby that came up??

Just wondering.
Again, I'm sorry for your circumstances, and I'm glad to know that you took in 2 'unwanted' children and are caring for them as your own.

Contraception DOES NOT ALWAYS WORK. There are 'surprise' babies born all the time. Some are healthy with great horizons to look forward to. Some are born without faces. Some are suffering from Fetal Alcohol Syndrome....

Were you selective? Why did you not adopt older children out of the foster system instead? A couple of siblings, for example, of a different race than your own...who had been shunted between youth homes and foster homes and so forth, and were desperate for a family to call their own?

a reply to: L.A.B

If two young, loving, consenting adults at college or university are in an intimate relationship and are taking all the necessary steps for safe intimacy.. What if then the female falls pregnant?

And that happens. All the time.

The 'morning after pills' were available at the student clinic when I was in college in the 70s. So were contraceptives - even over the counter ones. SOMETIMES THEY FAIL.

originally posted by: L.A.B

Can you imagine the level of poverty and ruin this world would undergoe if contraception and abortion wasn't available? As an example take those adverts you see of staving children in foreign countries, dying in the streets with not enough energy to keep the flies off of them. Without the option of contraception and abortion those 'adverts' could very well be in your country.

Thank you for pointing out (and correctly linking) the obvious - abortion is almost exclusively done for convenience, as after-the-fact contraception.

As chilling and as horrible as that is, it is the truth - an AWFUL truth.

Finding 'good' in that truth is almost as awful.



What baffles me is why is it so inconceivable to change your terrible question to this one:


Can you imagine the incredible benefits to our world and society if people would actually reserve sex for it's proper place - the committed permanent marriage of one man and one woman?

Can you imagine how much better our world and our society would be if people no longer divorced sex from life - if sex was appreciated for it's intended purpose and not relegated to self-serving recreation?



I know that's a tall order, sadly.

a reply to: Seamrog

Right to the point!

Can you imagine the level of poverty and ruin this world would undergoe if contraception and abortion wasn't available?

It's a horrible thing for both male and female to have to go through and it takes strength to make a decision like that. I would want to add no matter who you are, but i'm sure there are some people out there who do unfortunately just see it as a convenience.

Can you imagine how much better our world and our society would be if people no longer divorced sex from life - if sex was appreciated for it's intended purpose and not relegated to self-serving recreation?

And I couldn't agree more, not saying that i'm personally that liberal, but until the equipment in the following video clip is available I can't see that happening

and now witches are demanding abortions for their "religious freedom" aka, blood sacrifices…

aborted cells are being put into "fast foods" and soft drinks…even vaccines, by some reports…

making us all fully culpable for the evil…and the consequences: more evil.

and the woman used in the roe v. wade case is now AGAINST abortions...

originally posted by: Seamrog
Can you imagine the incredible benefits to our world and society if people would actually reserve sex for it's proper place - the committed permanent marriage of one man and one woman?

Where did that uptight definition come from?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Indeed. So I do have a lot of sympathy for people who do have to make that decision, as it is not one they clearly wanted to have to be in the position to make in the first place.

It takes strength and courage, and is not made any easier for them by people who are against abortion (which is fair enough, I just don't agree with people forcing their views on others and not respecting the other side of the coin) to then make them feel guilty. There is enough paranoia of guilt going throughtheir minds at this moment in time.

originally posted by: L.A.B


It's a horrible thing for both male and female to have to go through and it takes strength to make a decision like that.

It's much more horrible for the innocent, defenseless child, I assure you.