How to: "Build a Great Wall and Make Mexico Pay for it"

a reply to: ghostrager

Well since it is a list of roses, they are all roses with different names... Your point?


Community service usually is paying off a fine, so they are paying your fine for you.

It is also a choice, so in your plan, do the ones caught have the choice to not work on the wall?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ghostrager

Well since it is a list of roses, they are all roses with different names... Your point?

Community service usually is paying off a fine, so they are paying your fine for you.

But that would be "slave labor" by your definition.

And while they are building the wall, which would take years. We can build some extra prisons and hire the CCA to come in and control the process.

Hell while we're at it, we can pass new bed quotas to be sure the wall gets built and we have a residual flow of new inmates into labor camps and guaranteeing population to build the wall.

Then after the walls built, at least we'll have labor camps and new prisons for the next intern.

Whoever that'll be...

a reply to: NavyDoc

See the edit, community service is done with a choice.
Either pay the fine/serve the sentence OR do the community service.

a reply to: Sremmos80

I think you just came up with the solution on how to pay for the expenses

Sure, they can do labor or a hefty fine.

a reply to: ghostrager

Labor camp? wtf...

a reply to: Doom and Gloom

How does 25% of Mexico's population live in the U.S.? A population is a group of people that live in a particular area so...yea.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: NavyDoc

See the edit, community service is done with a choice.
Either pay the fine/serve the sentence OR do the community service.

Most community services as a result of a conviction are not "done by choice." Probation is not " a choice." In fact, not much in our penal system is "a choice"--it is an involuntary punishment done for conviction of a crime after due process because that's the entire frigging point--that it's something not pleasant.

I don't think the wall is the answer. We have Wall/Fence in some parts...and some of it is really badly thought out...Do some research and you'll see that it's not very well thought out or constructed.

Also why don't we fund a wall ourselves? Because neither democrat or republicans really want one. same with immigration reform.. it's more fun, apparently, to fight over stuff without ever getting anything done.

a reply to: ghostrager

And when they don't pay the fine?

a reply to: NavyDoc
I disagree, community service is often done to replace something.

Probation does not equal community service, they are not one in the same.

Tell me why they pay our prisoners now a days and can't just force them to do work when ever they want?

So would we build a wall around the Canadian border too?
or is it just mainly for the brown people down south?

a reply to: ghostrager

Maybe they should mix em in with the cement. If not that

get their kids to sell hot dogs to the workers

a reply to: Sremmos80

Just to clarify the legal point: community service CAN BE punitive, but can be IN LIEU OF other punitive measures.

It falls under the umbrella of "alternative sentencing."

A person can be sentenced to incarceration and community service both, or can be given the chance to do community service to get a reduced charge and no jail time. Just depends.

And that wasn't directed specifically at you, just a general FYI

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ghostrager

And when they don't pay the fine?

a reply to: NavyDoc
I disagree, community service is often done to replace something.

Probation does not equal community service, they are not one in the same.

Tell me why they pay our prisoners now a days and can't just force them to do work when ever they want?

They are prisoners and they get paid pennies and they have no choice in the manner because it is a proper punishment as set forth in the Constitution.

Or do you think any punishment for a crime being cruel and unjust?

a reply to: NavyDoc

Or do you think any punishment for a crime being cruel and unjust?

Nope just forcing someone to build a wall would be, as that is all I have said.

Never once said any punishment is.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ghostrager

And when they don't pay the fine?

a reply to: NavyDoc
I disagree, community service is often done to replace something.

Probation does not equal community service, they are not one in the same.

Tell me why they pay our prisoners now a days and can't just force them to do work when ever they want?

They are prisoners and they get paid pennies and they have no choice in the manner because it is a proper punishment as set forth in the Constitution.

Or do you think any punishment for a crime being cruel and unjust?

Who says it's proper punishment, you?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: NavyDoc

Or do you think any punishment for a crime being cruel and unjust?

Nope just forcing someone to build a wall would be, as that is all I have said.

Never once said any punishment is.

If convicted after due process, building a wall would not be slave labor and would be constitutional. They could be paid 5 cents an hour like every other criminal in prison if that would make you feel better.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: NavyDoc

Or do you think any punishment for a crime being cruel and unjust?

Nope just forcing someone to build a wall would be, as that is all I have said.

Never once said any punishment is.

If convicted after due process, building a wall would not be slave labor and would be constitutional. They could be paid 5 cents an hour like every other criminal in prison if that would make you feel better.

a reply to: ghostrager

Yes because that's what this world needs another great big wall that separates the haves from the half not's.

Want an easier solution to the ILLEGAL immigration problem?

Stop handing out social services. Don't give them EBT and SNAP. Don't give them lower housing costs, and free college tuition. Don't allow their ILLEGAL children to be registered at school. Stop making it easy for them.

I understand WHY they come here. But that doesn't excuse the fact that they are breaking the law. And with that, siphoning tax money away.

Oh.. and the last thing? PROSECUTE businesses who hire illegal immigrant workers.