Bruce Lee vs Muhammad Ali. Who would win. and other unanswerable questions.

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A list of restrictions was imposed on Inoki. He would not be allowed to throw, grapple or tackle Ali, and could not land any kicks unless he had one knee on the mat.[3] Ali's camp also demanded that the rules not be made public before the fight. Judo expert and US Marine Donn Draeger noted: "The rules have been so seriously modified that the contest is no longer boxing versus wrestling. Unless this were done there would be no way to choreograph the match and make it look convincing. Ali can grapple or punch the man down; Inoki is not allowed to leg-dive or tackle. That latter restriction is the same as prohibiting Ali from jabbing. What a farce!"

ali knew inoki could demolish him

i mean inoki trained with rikidozan, karl gotch, and billy robinson to name a few.
ali had no shot

a reply to: Mugly

Jean-Claude Van Damme would kick all of their asses,
just like he did to Bolo Yeung in Bloodsport.
Bruce Lee beat Bolo Yeung in Enter the Dragon,
and beat Chuck Norris in Way of the Dragon.
So I guess Dragons and French people are tuffer than Texas Rangers
Who would win, a Dragon or yesterday's French taxi cab driver rioters?

Or maybe ... the Texas Rangers led by Chuck Norris, versus the French rioting taxi drivers led by Van-Damme.
Who would win then?

In a fight bruce lee would win hands down.
Ali may be great but bruce lee is a dirty fighter he fights to win. He would gouge eyes, kick in the groin, use any available weapon.
Not to mention he's quick, has PERFECT endurance, powerful and i mean come on, the dude flows like water.

I'd bet on...

Reg gloves and rules-Ali
MMA-Lee
street fight-Lee

Here's another food question.

Name something(a food) that would not taste good on hot buttered toast?

originally posted by: nonspecific
Here's another food question.

Name something(a food) that would not taste good on hot buttered toast?

Lemon wedges😙

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: nonspecific
Here's another food question.

Name something(a food) that would not taste good on hot buttered toast?

Lemon wedges😙

Yes I must conceede that would not be pleasant.

Anymore? I have been asking this for years and it's not as easy as you would think.

a reply to: Mugly


I will stand with your opinion. I only remember it vaguely thank you for the further information .

a reply to: Greathouse



no worries.
and non specific, how about balute or some blood pudding

originally posted by: Mugly
a reply to: Greathouse



no worries.
and non specific, how about balute or some blood pudding

Balute I am not allowing as that would not be pleasant without the toast.

I often eatBlack(blood) pudding on toast with mushrooms, egg and kechup so thats no good either

a reply to: nonspecific

If it's just a plain street fight, no rules etc, Bruce Lee would win -- he'd know every sort of pressure point to bring a tear to even Ali's eyes, he'd be able to get out of any "lock" or "hold" Ali would put him in.

If it was boxing, I still think Bruce Lee would win. I mean, he'd be attacking Ali with these fast, low and powerful punches to Ali's kidneys, Ali would probably die, or at least end up coughing up blood and not being able to continue.

Lee would use his small target area and quickness, that Ali would find it difficult to land a punch successfully. On the other hand, because Ali is such a big target, Lee only has to take his pick in the multiple weak points he needs to hit him in.

As far as bacon or cheese is concerned. I'd give up bacon if I had to choose. You're right, cheese is just so versatile, and you'd have to give up so many other dishes that include cheese. At least if you give up bacon, you can still have "Quorn" bacon. I know it's not the same, but there's no other "replacement" cheeses.

You want a pizza with bacon on it Sir? Ok, oh but you gave up cheese didn't you? Oh I'm sorry... here's a big bit of dry bread with some hard bacon on it - bon appetite!

a reply to: nonspecific

Lee was set for for exhibition fights, but people who said that they spared with him told that they couldn't take it anymore after even just one hit or take down. He was also a master or simple weapons.
Ali was a fighter, fought actual people in front of millions and had to actually fight. It would be a close one for sure, but in the end I think Lee would set himself up for a golden hit and break a rib or two of Ali's. Lee was known to kick punching bags to the roof, or off it's chain.

I always liked this quote about Ali.

" I was floating like a butterfly and stinging like a bee, then along come George Foreman and he knocked the # out of me ". Lol

But growing up Ali was an idol to me .

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: nonspecific
Here's another food question.

Name something(a food) that would not taste good on hot buttered toast?

Lemon wedges😙

Yes I must conceede that would not be pleasant.

Anymore? I have been asking this for years and it's not as easy as you would think.

Jell-O ?

a reply to: nonspecific

Hmm, i think Lee would win if it were a pub car park fight, he's very fast and in perfect physical fitness or was at least. Here's my Vs, imaginary yes but debated down the line for years.

Superman vs. Batman

I don't understand how people think Batman can beat Superman. Superman would wipe the floor with him instantly. Sure, in Frank Millers novels Batman got one over on Supes but that was because Superman was holding back, waaaaay back because they are/were friends. If they were mortal enemies and Superman wanted rid of him there would be no question.

Guess we'll find out next year when Batman Vs. Superman is released although i suspect the fight will be interrupted by a greater threat they will have to team up against, like Doomsday.

I'd put my money on Ali; he had what nearly 90lbs on Lee? There's a huge amount of force in a punch from a guy with that kind of advantage and it doesn't take many of them to put you down. There's weight classes for a reason.

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Bruce Lee would win. Bruce was a big fan of Ali and studying his fights is where he learned his fancy footwork.

Bruce lee without a doubt would win the fight and I would guarantee it,
chck out this link

www.washingtonpost.com...

just with lee's strength, ali would lose and if you believe a martial artist couldn't box then you might want to take a class of martial arts. I agree ali could take a punch, but im sure he couldn't withstand lee's.

And then there's this link

www.muscleandperformancemag.com...

you know what if ali did win it would be because of endurance. But its nice to see that they did respect each other. That in itself, should say something. IMO

First if all bacon defeats everything.


If Bruce Lee and Ali got into a fight it would be Interesting to see who would win.

Bruce looked up to ali. Especially Ali's adaptation/ adoption of Philippino footwork. Bruce was obsessed with the footwork of blade fighters due to its efficiency and flanking ability. Ali was influenced by the same foot work because it gave him a tactical edge. So i dont know if we can use who has better footwork as a decider. the two were very similar in that regard.

As for who could take a heavier blow without dropping. Ali. Ali was a boxer. Probably had much more, like vastly so, experience in that regard.

Well hidden factoid about bruce. He had a glass jaw. He was very self conscious about it. once at a Hollywood party at his home he was messing around with a non martial artists friend in the kitchen. Tgmhe friend landed a lucky, although not too strong, shot to the jaw and bruce went out instantly, came to a second later and in embarassement went into a rage attacking his friend. Party goers all witnessed this and had to pull Bruce off his friend. Bruce had a terrible ego and it hurt him as much as helped him.

As for who had stronger shots. Kicking technique aside. Ali would have been stronger in my opinion. Hes a boxer. Throwing heavy full body power shots is what they train for. Any one of those land on Bruce its light out again.

Who had more experience fighting? Toss up. Bruce Lee started studying wing chun because all the choy Lee fut guys were singing his feathers in the local hong Kong street fights. (Granted this was when he was like 13) good thing he never tried to mess with lung ying, bak mei, chu gar, tong long, Hong gar or li gar practicioners. They would of hurt him worse and sent him packing back to his cha cha dance class.

Bruce while going around saying he was the smartest most profound thinker in martial arts at the time got his ass kicked by kung fu master Wong Jack man. Wong was much better than bruce. After wards Wong tried to give Bruce some advice which he never took. He basically said look bruce youre really fast. You have an excellent opening move. It usually works on most folks. But what if the guy can counter your opening move? then what. You currently have nothing, no technique or strategy after your opening move. If the guy parries your opener then you will loose. Work on that. Don't think Bruce ever did.

So for who had a better srategy. ali. His was systematic and better thought out. Bruce was basically a one trick pony. Yes I know he was fast. Yes i know he studied and compared martial arts techniques from fencing and boxing and kali.

Bruce got his ego checked by the great gene labelle. Bruce started to train grappling after being thoroughly defeated by gene lickety split. Gene also choked out Steven segal infront of a bunch of people, and can be seen as a grumpy old man in several reno911 appearances.

As for Bruce's 1 Inch punch. So what? Its no more powerful than any other punch. And its a well known thing. Especially in boxing. Go watch Tyson throw a punch sometime. Dont look at his hand watch his hips and feet, how he loads the shot. How do you think boxers create the mechanical power necessary when throwing tight hooks? The one inch punch isn't some mystical technique its quite prevalent in many southern Chinese martial arts. Especially of the arts practiced among the hakka peoples around the pearl river area (futshan). They have a concept called sink, spit, float, swallow. Basically describing striking force vectors. A one inch punch would be a common usage of the combination of sink and spit. A tight hook does the same thing maxhanically as tbe one inch punch and generates its power in only a few inches. the power comes from a shifting Iif foIitwork and hips. Watch wing chuns chum kiu form to see where bruce got his one inch punch power from. Watch the demonstrator shift side to side with his hips/feet. Watch a bak mei guy do gau bo toi. Same power generation.A jab would be a good example of float and spit being combined. A kuntaw, silat or Kali elbow gunting to the bicep from a split entry would be a good example of sink and swallow. aikido throw would also be a good example of swallow. A arm bar to a take down could also be an example of sink. So one inch punch was just another very common usage of human mechanics to develop short range power and us common in many martial arts and with many, many martail artists.

In a street fight who would win? Well Bruce couldn't take a shot. That's critical in street fighting. He really didn't do too much impact conditioning or body hardening, instead relying on speed to keep him out of danger. The reality is in a street fight your going to most likely take a shot to get into position to offensively counter and end it. Your often going to have to eat a shot at some point durring the altercation. Bruce could easily loose a that monent. Ive sparred guys in bare knuckle semi full contact fights that use bruce lee ideology of speed. They have pros and cons to their methodology and tactics.

The pros. They are very accurate. They usually can flank and get to the outside of your shoulder where They can wreak havoc with a fast flurry of strikes. Those flurries of strikes may not be all that powerful but they will cause neurological disruption as your brain is literally Blinded and confused by the incoming stimuli. If they get that sequence of flurries on you, you will likely get set up quickly for a power boxing strike to finish you.

The cons is that the style us usually reserved for light, fragile, although wirery players. They can not under any circumstances get hit or its catastrophic. If you can out footwork them and shut down their fast initial flurry of strikes then you will likely land a power counter shot and end it real fast. Boxers using alis foot work are great at this. So a bruce lee guy against a Ali style boxer with experience in shutting down the initial strike or flurry will do really well since they have similar accuracy and speed but vastly more power.

As for shooting on the opponant. People who watch bjj and mma forget that they never have to deal with shots to the back if the head or neck. They conveniently forget that in every military combative system trained out there to folks in the real world the chop, punch, forearm or elbow to the back of the neck and head are trained and drilled to counter the take down and shoot for 1000s of years because it works and stops the take down nonsense reliably. a street wise boxer will have no problem instinctively punching a guy in the back of the neck or head if they try for a take down. Also any tight hook or uppercut can and does manifest as a elbow that would put a mauy Thai guy to shame and even impress the south east asian crowd who are arguably the king of elbows and close quarter hand to hand....and knives. .and the associated and vastly superior footwork.

So Ali vs Bruce. Hard to say ooretty even match and in no way does Bruce got some advantage. a more relevant question. in a fight. Bruce vs inosanto vs dacasco. I would put al dacasco or Danny inosanto in a league ahead of bruce Lee any day. But if I had to pick a real deal bad ass kung fu man who's dead but lived when Bruce did I would go with jeung lai chuen for unrivaled bad assness.

As for weapons. Bruce learned everything weaponwise short of fencing techniques from danny inosanto. All the stuff you see him do with weapons in the movies and demonstrations were really philippino escrima arnis...including the nunchuks.