Supreme Court extends same-sex marriage nationwide

a reply to: Ignatian

How many kids have you seen get made fun of for being straight? How many have you seen get called gay as an insult? How many kids get made fun of for BEING gay?

I mean, just look at how kids behave. It really doesn't take a huge leap of the imagination to see why homosexuals would have higher suicide rates than heterosexuals, even in countries with legal gay marriage. Just because gay marriage is legal doesn't mean the hate has stopped... That's clear as day here in the states since the Civil Rights law was passed in 1964 and we STILL have people acting like racist assholes to black people.

a reply to: Ignatian

Homosexuality is NOT a disorder, or a Mental defect or any other slur one can come up with.

I think the question should be is why are GLBTQ+ people getting bullied, harassed, abused and Killed. we are shamed from all over, we are told we are 'wrong' and 'bad' we are 'abominations' 'defects' 'mental disorder's' 'deviant's 'predators' and the list goes on.

we are targets for people to physically and verbally abuse, and you think the problem is with us?

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: Ignatian

Homosexuality is NOT a disorder, or a Mental defect or any other slur one can come up with.

I think the question should be is why are GLBTQ+ people getting bullied, harassed, abused and Killed. we are shamed from all over, we are told we are 'wrong' and 'bad' we are 'abominations' 'defects' 'mental disorder's' 'deviant's 'predators' and the list goes on.

we are targets for people to physically and verbally abuse, and you think the problem is with us?

It's the blame the victim mentality from those who have traditionally been able to be the bully.

You see this every time an LGBTQ+ person is murdered.... the defense of the perpetrator often plays into the prejudice of the majority "oh well, (s)he probably deserved it."


If anyone doubts this, read the court transcripts of any trial of someone charged with murdering a transgender person.

a reply to: JadeStar


Such histrionics - if nothing else, LGBTQWERTY whatever do have a flair for this.

I think most kids are bullied because they either can or can't throw a ball well, not because they are obsessed with sex.

a reply to: JadeStar

Exactly, because the GLBTQ+ are represented by untruths so people assume they were trying to "Fool them"

Quick personal story: i was walking home one evening(not late at night) when i got attacked by 4 guys, the usual beating, getting kicked in the head, stomped etc.. no one helped, finally someone across the street called the police and when they finally arrived they ended up taking me to the station and booked me for 'soliciting' they evidently couldn't find a witness and the Guys said i was soliciting myself to them and they acted in self-defense. i sat in the station with broken ribs and a concussion, eventually let go

originally posted by: Darth_Prime

Quick personal story: i was walking home one evening(not late at night) when i got attacked by 4 guys, the usual beating, getting kicked in the head, stomped etc.. no one helped,

Same thing happened to me because I'm not a muslim, except it was six guys.

I'm constantly ridiculed for my Christian faith, and I have been persecuted here in the protestant south for being a Roman Catholic. I've been called names, I've been harassed, I've had tracts put on my car while attending Mass.

Didn't drive me to even remotely consider suicide or harbor any suicidal thoughts. Never fell into the 'woe is me' camp either.

You're not special.

originally posted by: Seamrog
You're not special.

I beg to differ... Darth_Prime is very special.

a reply to: Seamrog

Anecdotal evidence isn't proof of anything. Just because YOU have strong enough willpower to not be driven to suicide because of intolerance, doesn't implicitly mean that everyone does or even that a majority of people do. That is called an anecdote fallacy.

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: JadeStar

Exactly, because the GLBTQ+ are represented by untruths so people assume they were trying to "Fool them"

Quick personal story: i was walking home one evening(not late at night) when i got attacked by 4 guys, the usual beating, getting kicked in the head, stomped etc.. no one helped, finally someone across the street called the police and when they finally arrived they ended up taking me to the station and booked me for 'soliciting' they evidently couldn't find a witness and the Guys said i was soliciting myself to them and they acted in self-defense. i sat in the station with broken ribs and a concussion, eventually let go

This sadly is not uncommon and further proof that while marriage equality is now the law of the land there is still much to do in terms of education so that those who have been victimized like yourself are not further victimized by those who are SUPPOSED to "protect and serve".

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Seamrog

Anecdotal evidence isn't proof of anything. Just because YOU have strong enough willpower to not be driven to suicide because of intolerance, doesn't implicitly mean that everyone does or even that a majority of people do. That is called an anecdote fallacy.

THANK YOU! :hearts:

originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: Darth_Prime

Quick personal story: i was walking home one evening(not late at night) when i got attacked by 4 guys, the usual beating, getting kicked in the head, stomped etc.. no one helped,

Same thing happened to me because I'm not a muslim, except it was six guys.

I'm constantly ridiculed for my Christian faith, and I have been persecuted here in the protestant south for being a Roman Catholic. I've been called names, I've been harassed, I've had tracts put on my car while attending Mass.

Didn't drive me to even remotely consider suicide or harbor any suicidal thoughts. Never fell into the 'woe is me' camp either.

You're not special.

Oh, christians are so oppressed. I'm so sorry /sarc

a reply to: JadeStar

Just calling them how I see em.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Seamrog

Anecdotal evidence isn't proof of anything. Just because YOU have strong enough willpower to not be driven to suicide because of intolerance, doesn't implicitly mean that everyone does or even that a majority of people do. That is called an anecdote fallacy.

Of course it doesn't.

What it does imply is that the diagnosis of 'mentally disordered' is appropriate.

You know how poorly the Pakistani labor force is treated in Saudi Arabia? Suicide is not an issue with that population.

At the height of segregation in the south, what was the suicide rate among poor blacks?

What is the suicide rate of blacks today as compared to the LGBTQWERTY crowd?

Facts can be pesky when they don't fit your sexual whims or political agenda.

Should these people be bullied? Of course not.

Should they be treated with human dignity? Of course they should.

Should they be given special treatment? No.

Should we be forced to accept their sexual whims as normal?

Absolutely not.

a reply to: Darth_Prime

Right? If it were some kind of mental disorder you'd think they wouldn't be as successful as they are. I have a lot of gay friends. Every one of them lives better than I do. They work their fingers to the bone to do so. They've grown up in a world in which everyone has a head start. They have to learn to work twice as hard as straight people to get ahead.

I've learned a lot from my gay friends about personal responsibility, personal boundaries, self-expression, and self-worth. A lot of straight people that don't know many LGBT people don't realize how hard it is to be a successful gay person in today's world, and feel OK about yourself in it.

I'm not gay by any means -- but the gay men I've had the pleasure of calling friends have made me a better person by showing me how to love myself despite my faults.

If that's a mental disorder, then we're all mentally disabled. . .

originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Seamrog

Anecdotal evidence isn't proof of anything. Just because YOU have strong enough willpower to not be driven to suicide because of intolerance, doesn't implicitly mean that everyone does or even that a majority of people do. That is called an anecdote fallacy.

Of course it doesn't.

What it does imply is that the diagnosis of 'mentally disordered' is appropriate.

No it doesn't imply anything, especially your absurd diagnosis of being mentally disordered. Even if it did imply such things, there are countless scientific studies (which naturally trump ALL anecdotal evidence) that directly disprove any correlation.

You know how poorly the Pakistani labor force is treated in Saudi Arabia? Suicide is not an issue with that population.

This isn't Pakistan. Also this.
Suicide in Pakistan

Suicide in Pakistan has been a long-term social issue and is a common cause of unnatural death.

At the height of segregation in the south, what was the suicide rate among poor blacks?

Do you know the answer to this question? Because if you don't I'm pretty sure your point is moot.

What is the suicide rate of blacks today as compared to the LGBTQWERTY crowd?

Poverty leads to death for more black Americans than whites

Suicide Among Blacks

The current black population has its own suicide problem. Not sure what your point is here either.

Facts can be pesky when they don't fit your sexual whims or political agenda.

Facts? Where did you present any facts? All I see are a bunch of questions that may or may not be rhetorical. In FACT, I disproved several of your points with ACTUAL facts.

Should these people be bullied? Of course not.

Should they be treated with human dignity? Of course they should.

Your words in this thread certainly betray you here.

Should they be given special treatment? No.

They aren't given special treatment. Overturning gay marriage bans is giving them EQUAL treatment as everyone else.

Should we be forced to accept their sexual whims as normal?

Absolutely not.

No one is forcing you to DO anything. You are still 100% free to hate homosexuals and have your church refuse to marry them.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Takes special to know special

a reply to: Seamrog

Yes i've thought about suicide numerous times, after years of abuse and embarrassment and things that are too hard to even mention, yeah i've thought about it.. but When did i say i was special?

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I'm of the firm belief that if everyone knew how to express themselves the world would be much more open and less angry. instead of suppressing it because it may not fit within the "Boundaries" of how you should act or dress or however you need to express yourself.. through the Arts and self-awareness

a reply to: JadeStar

Exactly, Open dialog between people without accusations or attacks. if we can dispel the untruths about the GLBTQ+ people we can all Coexist

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