British police calling for knife ban

originally posted by: NavyDoc
Right. You can be arrested and made to defend yourself in court for carrying an object that the officer thought you didn't have a "valid reason" even if you've harmed no one.

Ok, I can see you're being deliberately obtuse...

If you actually need a knife for what you're doing, ie; hunting/fishing/crafting/work/camping (the list is not exhaustible) then that is the end of the matter. No Police officer in the country is going to arrest you if you have a reason for being in possession of a knife, unless of course you're running around like a loon, waving it in the air and shouting "flibble"!

If, however, you are in possession of a knife and you don't have a lawful reason ie; murdering the wife/chopping up telecoms cables/stabbing that kid from the other street because he wears the wrong colour hat, then that is not a valid reason. Neither is for self defence, or simply because you wanted to carry on, or claiming you're going fishing but have no tackle.

It isn't rocket science.

a reply to: stumason

Oh look what I have found.

www.aaronwheelergunsmith.co.uk...

originally posted by: stumason

originally posted by: NavyDoc
Right. You can be arrested and made to defend yourself in court for carrying an object that the officer thought you didn't have a "valid reason" even if you've harmed no one.

Ok, I can see you're being deliberately obtuse...

If you actually need a knife for what you're doing, ie; hunting/fishing/crafting/work/camping (the list is not exhaustible) then that is the end of the matter. No Police officer in the country is going to arrest you if you have a reason for being in possession of a knife, unless of course you're running around like a loon, waving it in the air and shouting "flibble"!

If, however, you are in possession of a knife and you don't have a lawful reason ie; murdering the wife/chopping up telecoms cables/stabbing that kid from the other street because he wears the wrong colour hat, then that is not a valid reason. Neither is for self defence, or simply because you wanted to carry on, or claiming you're going fishing but have no tackle.

It isn't rocket science.

I agree, it isn't rocket science. Basically, someone else's definition of "need" is what separates you from an arrest or not regardless if you actually harm someone else.

a reply to: boymonkey74

That would be one of those "banned" guns of ours, from a "banned" gunshop" I take it?

I really must go and have a look round the "banned" gunshop round the corner from my house someday, they have some pretty nice "banned" guns in there. Someone ought to tell the Police - I think they sell knives too.....

a reply to: NavyDoc

Well, no. It's not "some ones", it's the Laws and is pretty clear and understandable for anyone with an IQ higher than that of a Womble.

a reply to: NavyDoc

It's not really like that as others have said.

Can you give a valid reason for carrying a knife in your pocket on a train?

a reply to: nonspecific

Well I did at a station so yes.
Ok not a knife but a big ass machete

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: boymonkey74

That would be one of those "banned" guns of ours, from a "banned" gunshop" I take it?

I really must go and have a look round the "banned" gunshop round the corner from my house someday, they have some pretty nice "banned" guns in there. Someone ought to tell the Police - I think they sell knives too.....

Guns are banned in England you say??

I must go and tell my friend who has several inclunding an antiwue 2 bore elephant gun, he will be very dissapointed.

a reply to: NavyDoc

I really don't get what your point is. The police here are actually good at working out what your reasons are for carrying a knife.

I really don't understand why there are so many people that don't live here crying because 'OH MY GOD, THOSE POOR WEEDY BRITS AREN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO DEFEND THEMSELVES' when there are plenty of Brits here telling them, we are allowed to defend ourselves, despite what you have read from crappy lying sensationalist tabloids and the overwhelming majority of Brits do not want the police to make it easier for us to carry weapons as what we have at the moment is making the best out of a bad situation.

a reply to: boymonkey74

And what was the reason?

originally posted by: nonspecific
Can you give a valid reason for carrying a knife in your pocket on a train?

You're on your way to fish? You're on your way to work? You're on you're way a whittling convention?

But, if you're in possession of a knife, claim you're going fishing, but have no tackle with you, then you'll be nicked.

Or, even if you are actually going fishing and have the tackle, but are waving your knife around the carriage shouting "I am going to stab the next bloke who laughs at my hat", the you'll be nicked.

It's easy, isn't it?

It's like going around with a baseball bat. If you just have the bat but no ball and no mates, you're likely to be stopped and questioned.

originally posted by: nonspecific
Guns are banned in England you say??

Apparently so..... It seems someone told the Yanks before they told us!

a reply to: stumason

So we have established that then, great.

When I lived in my van I used to have a cricket bat and ball, it just seemed more sporting

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: boymonkey74

That would be one of those "banned" guns of ours, from a "banned" gunshop" I take it?

I really must go and have a look round the "banned" gunshop round the corner from my house someday, they have some pretty nice "banned" guns in there. Someone ought to tell the Police - I think they sell knives too.....

Right. If you can buy a book but only one made before 1990 and you can only read if it is stored in a licensed library or you can keep it at home only if you cannot read it and it must have "historic" significance you wouldn't consider books banned?

Section 7.3 explained:

You can't just get a license and nip 'round to your section 5 dealer and pick one up.

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: NavyDoc

It's not really like that as others have said.

Can you give a valid reason for carrying a knife in your pocket on a train?

That's the whole point--you have to give a valid reason to own an object.

a reply to: NavyDoc

Why would we want to just pop out and buy a gun?

Why would we want anyone to just nip down the road and pick up a revolver?

Our cultures are very different and it would be far easier for you to accept that than carry on with this in my opinion.

a reply to: Skid Mark

I love the helpful hints to avoid 'being a victim'.

Basically they tell you 'Don't fight back', and move into a public place, making a lot of noise.

Die a loud death in a public place....

Thanks for the hints.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: NavyDoc

It's not really like that as others have said.

Can you give a valid reason for carrying a knife in your pocket on a train?

That's the whole point--you have to give a valid reason to own an object.

You need a valid reason to own an object or to have it on your person in a public place yes.

Why is this so unreasonable?

/rant start


Heres the kicker

THE UK IS NOT THE USA AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT LAWS RELATING TO DIFFERENT THINGS

.....and thats where the debate should be ending on this, because frankly, its a pointless exercise in territorial pissing.

If people can't understand that, or feel that they have to espouse some kind of moral/ethical BS about it then thats a question of their own ignorance.

/end rant

a reply to: nonspecific

Why is this so unreasonable?

Freedom is the answer that comes to mind.