The Confederate flag should be taken down and burned.

a reply to: AmericanZombie

I support changing/not using Native American symbols, words, names for sports teams.

a reply to: asmall89

Thank you! People want to talk about the holocaust and slavery, what happend to "my" people (natives) was a full out genocide (Americas dirty secret).

a reply to: Greathouse

Are you under the impression that it in no way shape or form denotes that white people are superior?

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Greathouse

Are you under the impression that it in no way shape or form denotes that white people are superior?

Yes because I understand the history behind it not what I've been told to think .


Not much else I can say so I leave you with this final word .


Potato !!!

Have a pleasant evening !

Its not the first time they've been asked to take it down and it certainly wont be the last. I agree with one poster, taking it down will spur others to put one up in it's place.

Displaying it in a museum sounds like a great idea, but taking it down in response to something completely unrelated represents our willingness to buckle and please one group over another.

It is a never ending cycle and will only perpetuate more action from civil rights groups and loud mouths who look for ways to get offended.

a reply to: Kali74
Did you know the state of Texas got it's name from my people (Caddo) Tejas (means friend) how well did that work out?

It's just a flag get over it, I did, I even did 20.5 years in the Marine Corps under the US Flag.

a reply to: asmall89

You live in this country, Colorado no less.
You would like your country's flag burned?

Sometimes, some people are never satisfied that they are some of the free'est people on the planet.
It's not perfect, but look at the options.

a reply to: Greathouse

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originally posted by: AmericanZombie
a reply to: asmall89

Thank you! People want to talk about a the holocaust and slavery, what happen to "my" people (natives) was a full out genocide (Americas dirty secret).

I abhor what happened to Native Americans from Europeans actions . I have a friend who is full-blooded Apache . He has a nice outlook he told me once it is okay because they ( native Americans ) got even with us when they gave us tobacco ! Lol

a reply to: AmericanZombie

And some people just want it taken down... get over it.

a reply to: Greathouse

first off i've lived in the south all my life, you don't have to tell me any thing about the carpet baggers.

your post said after the war, not during. he was already dead.

to show you how much you know, Johnson did not follow Lincolns plan. his plan was far more harsh.

read and compare the two, you'll see that Johnson was the one that was responsible for the hell the south went through after the war.

on a side note Lincoln only issued the Emancipation Proclamation to save the Union, he was a big government kinda guy.

a couple of quotes from lincoln.

I will say then that I am not, nor have I ever been in the favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races . . . There must be a position of superior and inferior, and I... am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race ... I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position that the negroe should be deprived everything.
Lincoln-Douglas debate in Charleston on September 18, 1858.

If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about Slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save this Union, and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.
A LETTER FROM PRESIDENT LINCOLN.; Reply to Horace Greeley. Slavery and the Union The Restoration of the Union the Paramount Object. Aug. 22, 1862.

a reply to: AmericanZombie

Yep, yet for some reason we seem to completely ignore it in comparison to Slavery and the Holocaust. If you look at Lincoln and his favorite general Grant both of them did no favors to the indians. Plus Grant had to win the war on brutal war tactics like starving and burning the South.

a reply to: Greathouse

LOL, I love tobacco and firewater

a reply to: zazzafrazz
I just was trying to understand what you meant by

And even a "teeny" bit about slavery is more than enough.

You gave me seemigly conflicting answers, so color me confused. Don't worry about feeding me after midnight, I got a vasectomy long ago, no little gremlins in my future

a reply to: Kali74
And some people don't want to take it down, get over it

a reply to: AmericanZombie
You should try vaping lol. No replacement for firewater I found yet, but I brew my own beer, because screw paying 42 for a 24 pack

a reply to: Kali74

Some people can take it down it's their right, but the people who want it or display it have rights also, We are not under a dictatorship (yet).

a reply to: AmericanZombie

I was in the 7th Cav Desert Storm ,you guys AT least got a piece when that MORON Custer attacked.
Our GRANT OF ARMS has sitting bull in the uper right hand corner,"Manifest Destinny" was the tiltle they put on the colonization and genocide.
ALMOST as bad as the damn JESUITS in south America.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Greathouse

first off i've lived in the south all my life, you don't have to tell me any thing about the carpet baggers.

your post said after the war, not during. he was already dead.

to show you how much you know, Johnson did not follow Lincolns plan. his plan was far more harsh.

read and compare the two, you'll see that Johnson was the one that was responsible for the hell the south went through after the war.

on a side note Lincoln only issued the Emancipation Proclamation to save the Union, he was a big government kinda guy.

a couple of quotes from lincoln.

I will say then that I am not, nor have I ever been in the favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races . . . There must be a position of superior and inferior, and I... am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race ... I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position that the negroe should be deprived everything.
Lincoln-Douglas debate in Charleston on September 18, 1858.

If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about Slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save this Union, and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.
A LETTER FROM PRESIDENT LINCOLN.; Reply to Horace Greeley. Slavery and the Union The Restoration of the Union the Paramount Object. Aug. 22, 1862.

I agree Johnson did far worse . But everything that happened post-Civil War was Lincoln's fault . If he did not initiate any of the actions we wouldn't have had to restructure the South.

The Civil War often is seen as a turning point in the history of American federalism. In one sense the truth of this perception is beyond dispute. Had the South secured secession by force of arms, the Union would have been broken, the federal system disrupted. There is no telling what the consequences for attitudes toward federalism the world over would have been or what sort of federal system would have survived, North or South.
But scholars—especially constitutional scholars—see the Civil War as a turning point in a narrower doctrinal sense. They perceive the doctrine of state sovereignty, by which southerners justified secession, to have embodied a profound challenge to the federal system created by the Founders. Yet constitutional historians have not attended very well to antebellum theories of federalism. There has been a tendency to overidentify with antebellum constitutional nationalism as the "correct" understanding of federalism endorsed by the Supreme Court and to view state sovereignty as a kind of heresy. [1] Analysts also assume that modern-day constitutional nationalism corresponds to Marshallian nationalism and that acknowledgments

of what scholars call "dual federalism" are deviations from a long-standing nationalist understanding of the federal system.[2] At the same time there has been a tendency to confuse the doctrine of "state sovereignty" with that of "state rights," a confusion reflected in the recently published Encyclopedia of the American Constitution, which has no entry for "state sovereignty" and identifies "state rights" not as a doctrine of federalism but as a mere slogan used for tactical reasons in political controversies. [3]

source

The current Federal government yoke we all find ourselves under found its roots through Lincoln and the civil war .

originally posted by: muse7
It does not represent "Southern Heritage".

It represents tyranny, it represents one of the darkest times this country has gone through in it's entire history. It represents a Government that went to war to keep people enslaved in the cotton fields, to prevent them from being treated like actual human beings instead of like livestock. That tolerated and encouraged lynchings and public hangings.

It represents an ideology that revolves around hate.

The truth is that South Carolina's Confederate flag was only raised above the statehouse in 1962—to show defiance to the powerful civil rights movement, to proclaim white superiority. And it is still there for that reason.

I have to ask... So, a Confederate flag is bad, I expect an old South African flag is bad, however, is owning and flying an Israeli flag ok? I am just testing the water to see how many hypocrites are in for swim ;-)

Cheers - Dave