Why do people lie about aliens? An in-depth look at why we can discredit near all stories

I think for the recording thing to work, you'd need to be recording without the knowledge of the abductee.

Otherwise, it would just every day be "No, no abduction last night. Maybe tonight!"

Harte

Another rather interesting thought which has just crept upon me, to be able to control ones mind, they'd first have to understand how it works. The brain/mind of humans could be considered the most difficult thing to understand in terms of human nature.

Now most persons who subject to say, mind control/memory wipe this suggests that aliens have already understood our anatomy. At this point you can see it where it is assumed that we have a similar anatomy to them which is why their devices can work on us. Essentially you're comparing aliens based on knowledge of what we have here. To them the very possibility of memory beyond 3 hours may not exist without an invented device. But above all, if they understand our brains prior to abductions, then what is the real reason for abducting?

a reply to: SuspiciousTom

Again with what seems to be assault, dragons, ghosts, things that are 'different' from our realities have been stories from way before the 1920s, the reference would speak more to recent technology. We have trapped antimatter but are we using it? No, why? We haven't perfected the technology.

Technology gets tested many times but some of it doesn't surpass testing because it may be impractical or just not perfect. The logic you throw would suggest you MUST believe in God, Dragons, Ghosts and practically anything else that exists out there. Otherwise you should be able to objectively observe situations from another point of view.

Alot of things have been documented since the 1920s.

You seems to be all over the place on this.

First, you said all flying saucers are probably our government's top secret technology.

So I pointed out that alien contact involving flying discs goes back to at least the year 1920, when the highest technology we had was WWI bi-planes. Twenty years before the invention of the jet engine. Twenty years before there even was an Air Force.

Which basically makes your theory impossible. If we had flying saucer technology in 1920, we would have used them in WWII. And Korea. And Viet Nam. Your theory isn't possible, sorry.

So now what is your response? That we had flying saucer technology back in 1920, but it wasn't perfected then? That it didn't surpass testing so we never used it?

That is actually even more ridiculous. Because in the 1920s, these flying saucer or flying disc encounters took place here in the US, but throughout Europe as well, and many encounters included landings, and alien contact.

So, your theory is that we had flying disc technology, and actual operative ships, in the year 1920. And that we flew these vehicles around the country, as well as flying them across the ocean and over many countries in Europe, where we would occasionally land, and take off again.

But despite these working, operative flying discs we had, that could fly trans-atlantic and land in European villages, we never used these vehicles to fight world war two, or any subsequent war?

Saucers can fly. Your theory doesn't.

And I have no idea why you dragged dragons, god and ghosts into this. There are photographs of flying disc-shaped craft from the 1920s, that have been studied extensively. Not sure about dragons and god.

a reply to: Scdfa

So I pointed out that alien contact involving flying discs goes back to at least the year 1920

You didn't point anything out really.

All that can be said concerning what you "pointed out", is that the ETH (extra-terrestrial hypothesis for UAP) can be traced to the 1920s in America.

What are you speaking of specifically? The writings of Charles Fort?

a reply to: bybyots

en.wikisource.org...

that chapter onwards should supply you with enough storeys to suggest its been going on far longer than is commonly said

cause everyone knows its Kenneth that coined it into exsistance

how wrong that is

funbox

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
a reply to: Scdfa

Ask a guy in jail if he managed to take something from the cop car that picked him up.

You mean like stealing the actual cop car they've been arrested in?

And what exactly would you expect an alien abductee to have other than his account of the abductions?

Are you one of those nitwits who expect me to swipe an ashtray? Maybe some alien magazines from the flying saucer's waiting room?

No wait, you're one of the bright guys who want me to set up a video cam, right?

Yeah, those idiots with their logical questions.

You said your neighbors were having a picnic one day and witnessed a UFO hover over your house during one of the abductions. Here's a group of people completely unrelated to your families personal experiences, with not only a chance to provide evidence to support your story, but their own of an alien spacecraft hovering over a neighbors house. That would be pretty amazing. No evidence of attempted photographs or videos? "Electronic interference" is only specific to video and handheld cameras and not TVs, computers, microwaves, lights, etc. I guess? All of the neighborhood was okay except cameras?

Witnesses outside of your family should be a big plus for your book. I'll go on the assumption that they have no evidence either other than stories to tell? But, hopefully you have verifiable testimony from at least one for those witnesses for readers that rely on that type of thing to help substantiate a story.

See, this post shows your disconnect from reality.

First of all, the criminals who stole the cop car? I'd like them to show me the cop car they stole. Oh, they can't? They weren't able to keep it? They don't have a piece of it to show? I rest my case.

Now.

Let me tell you what really happens when people have a significant sighting, since you clearly have no idea.

You watch.
You stare.
You run down a mental checklist to try and explain what you are seeing as something conventional.
"Is it a balloon? A blimp? A helicopter?"
You run down this list until you run out of possible excuses.
Then it starts to dawn on you.
And you think, "b-b-but I was told that flying saucers weren't real! How can this be?"
So you try to wrap your head around it as it is happening. That takes a lot for some people.

Then, as you finally conclude it may very well be aliens, people generally have two reactions.
1. You get scared. Scared beyond anything you've known, to be this close to superior alien beings that you were convinced didn't even exist just a minute before.
Some back away slowly, and some just freeze like a deer in headlights.

Or, 2. You realize how monumental the event you are witnessing is, and freeze, transfixed by the event. it is almost a spiritual moment, definitely a life-changing moment. Often there is a connection with the beings inside the craft, and it renders you a rapt observer.

Either one leaves you standing there in a profound state of shock.

Then, the ship is gone, as fast as it came.

Then you compare notes with the others who saw it.
There is shouting, swearing, crying, shaking from the massive jolt of adrenaline, and a lot of "Omigod" and "What the .... was that!?!?"

And after you're sure it is gone, and doesn't seem to be coming back, it is THEN and only THEN that people think, "Gee, we should have taken a picture."

Don't believe me? Too bad. That's exactly what happens.

It is like any other shocking moment, a car accident, being mugged, being in an earthquake.
You try to figure out what is happening, and when you do, you get scared, and you just try to get through the event alive.
You are primarily concerned with your survival, and rightly so.
No one thinks, "Omigod, aliens! Let me get a few pics to prove it to idiots on the internet!"
Nor do they think, "Omigod, aliens! Why, if I take pictures I will be famous and the world will thank me for finally proving aliens are real!"

Now, let me be clear about this, I am talking about a close encounter.
I'm not talking about distant lights in the sky that you think are weird, there's tons of hours of videos of that sort of thing. From a great distance. And most of those turn out to be nothing unusual anyway.

I'm talking close enough to know what it is.

That is what happens.

But let me guess, you would be different, right?
LOL Sure you would.

Then I suggest you sign off the internet and get out there, camera in hand.

originally posted by: bybyots
a reply to: Scdfa

So I pointed out that alien contact involving flying discs goes back to at least the year 1920

You didn't point anything out really.

All that can be said concerning what you "pointed out", is that the ETH (extra-terrestrial hypothesis for UAP) can be traced to the 1920s in America.

What are you speaking of specifically? The writings of Charles Fort?

No, I'm talking about data compiled by NICAP, as well as several other databases.

And no one who reported these events to the authorities specified that these ships were definitely from another planet, and not interdimensional, or temporal, or from another unknown plane of reality, so you can drop the "ETH" nonsense.

a reply to: Scdfa

And no one who reported these events to the authorities specified that these ships were definitely from another planet, and not interdimensional, or temporal, or from another unknown plane of reality, so you can drop the "ETH" nonsense.

Then what's your point? That they are merely, "unexplained".

a reply to: skunkape23

I have the same experience as Skunk, I found ATS in search of like minded beings and found that the persuit of a commen ground in this area was discouraged.
But, I fell in love with ATS, so this tiny pimple is but a beauty mark. Go ATS. You allow an "ignoramus" like me to have a say in a comfortable enviroment.
Every one isn't deceptive or seaking attention, some may be "off", but how can we even express these things in a coherant, concievable manner.
When the world was "flat", a disc, we killed those who percieved it other wise. We still do.
Once upon a time in France it was illigal for peasants to use a fork as an eating device.
We are so stupid. WE/ME.
WIS

I've not read the entire thread, I just wanted to say something in response to the OP.

I've had two alien encounters. I can't talk specifics because I think it's best kept between me and the people I reported it to, years after they happened. The second encounter, I was with two other people. We all saw it. We chased after it after observing it for a while. It eventually fled. What we saw, the thing we pursued, was not human. Neither was the creature I saw in the first encounter. There is no doubt about that. None of us have been forthcoming in telling the story. It is an event that will we will all remember for the rest of our lives. A story that only a very few privileged people will ever hear.

I think, there are two types of people in alien encounters. Those who want to talk about it, and those who don't. I'm of the latter. But I can understand those who do want to talk about it. Having an encounter like that, well, sometimes you just want to tell the whole world, make them believe, because it's scary. Yes, some people will fabricate hoaxes for youtube views and attention, but they are in the minority.

Now, once, I was lying in bed when I became totally immobilised, unable to move any part of my body except for my eyes. I looked up, terrified, and I saw an alien standing over my bed. It was about 5 feet tall, had large dark eyes, and mottled grey skin. It looked very real and believe me, I was beyond scared. If I didn't know about sleep paralysis, and the hallucinations it can cause, I would have believed that to be a very real encounter. If I were ignorant of the effects of sleep paralysis, I would have reported that along with my other two encounters - that's how real it seemed. Some people will firmly believe they saw something extraterrestrial, even when it was simply a phenomenon able to explained by earthly causes. These people aren't lying, per se. They may be wrong in their assumptions as to what exactly they saw, but they are convinced they are telling the truth.

Outright liars are the absolute minority. What we should be looking for instead, is whether the observed encounter could be explained by natural or human-made phenomena. A lot of UFO sighting, and orbs especially, can be explained like this. I've been followed by a large orb of light while driving down a highway. These orbs of light have been observed by many others, and I believe they are an as-yet unknown natural phenomena, yet natural all the same. But I don't blame people for thinking they've seen something alien.

a reply to: Scdfa

You're playing the unrealistic, irrational expectations game of skeptics and/or debunkers. Where requesting evidence is ridiculous because *we just don't understand*, so don't even bother asking. Then you get to fill-in the blanks for the reasoning behind your excuse. I actually agree with you on one point, expecting any type of evidence other than a story when faced with an extraordinary event such as an alien abduction for the first time, could be viewed as an irrational request. You would most likely be overwhelmed in that situation. Adding 3(?) other abductees to the same event does compound the questioning as to why no more evidence, but it's understandable.

However, while your entire response is written from the perspective of a one-time encounter, you claim multiple abductions over many decades. Once you cross the threshold of multiple encounters, it's no longer unreasonable to ask for more than a story. At some point, I would think you, your sister(?), mother, or father would figure out something to record the incident. Video, photograph, tape recording, something tangible, etc. Still can't do it? You've roped the neighbors into the incident as witnesses to an alien spacecraft. That gives each one of them the opportunity, after their initial sighting, to record one of your families many abductions completely independent of you.

And after you're sure it is gone, and doesn't seem to be coming back, it is THEN and only THEN that people think, "Gee, we should have taken a picture."

No thoughts went through your fathers, mothers, sisters, or your mind after the second, third, forth, fifth.... abduction that maybe a photograph or something other than a story would be a good idea?

a reply to: Scdfa

You've made a point, I may have been all over. Getting tired of long paragraphs, will answer in point for.

1. You would say the government hides information of aliens and flying saucers but it's no way it could be technology of this earth.

2. What proof supplies your arguement of 1920? People have been reporting mermaids from in the 1800's I believe. Like "Flying Saucers" there's no evidence of that. It's a baseless report, you question then would be "Why would they do this?" That's the initial question of the thread sir.

3. Flying them around the country? And across oceans. You must've been onboard these ships, or are you suggesting we had enough technology to track these intergalactic spaceships?

Don't you find it funny that ufo sightings started being reported after commercial flights started? Just a coincidence right..

Can you not see your vision is on just one thing? I don't deny your claims, I simply provide another perspective. Your current stance seems to be "All sightings/encounters are real until proven wrong." There's no problem with that, but it's not very objective.

originally posted by: antar
a reply to: Blaine91555

Myself, integrity of truth and no hidden agenda behind what you know I have already stated in past.

HI Blaine, nice to see a familiar face!

That is certainly the case with many reports. It comes down to credibility often.

One thing that makes it hard for all of us is the flood of insanity out there floating around the Internet now. Way too many attention seekers muddying the water. After a while you just start to tune it out.

I'm trying to get back in the habit of posting more again. Thanks for the welcome, I admit I've not been posting in this forum much lately

a reply to: Blaine91555

Indeed insanity, the heavy usage of drugs, and the constant whip of the media, these are what led me to be more open minded about the situation, just 3 months ago I would've argued that there is undeniable proof of aliens.

We are a people constantly in denial of many things, and what's sad is when a person wants to believe enough they will. Which sheds much light into that study "Reality doesn't exist until we measure it."

There are people out there that believe in so many things.

a reply to: SuspiciousTom

In the end it boils down to using good critical thinking skills, combined with an open mind and accepting the smoking gun may never come.

I lean towards the secret military aircraft side, but I'm not at all closed minded about more Alien possibilities.

One thing for sure, is it takes a lot more digging now to find things worthy of note.

I've been wrong about so many things I thought I had figured out that I have to accept there are things I might discard that I should not. It's certainly entertaining, liars, attention seekers, hoaxers and those who are telling the truth as they see included. The moment I decide its all a bunch of crap, a real Alien ship will likely land on my front lawn.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: SuspiciousTom

The moment I decide its all a bunch of crap, a real Alien ship will likely land on my front lawn.

Exactly this, the universe isn't good to us. But I welcome the experience. I also maintain that stance, not necessarily military private projects but just people. People do some interesting things in their back yard. We're all inventors. In a response to Scdfa, I learnt just now commercial flights started 1914 and then the year after 1915 a UFO was reported, then again in the 20s and has just been snowballing every since. Faith has fallen a bit more but I try to maintain that open mind.

It's good to know I'm not the only one with this stance!

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
a reply to: Scdfa

You're playing the unrealistic, irrational expectations game of skeptics and/or debunkers. Where requesting evidence is ridiculous because *we just don't understand*, so don't even bother asking. Then you get to fill-in the blanks for the reasoning behind your excuse. I actually agree with you on one point, expecting any type of evidence other than a story when faced with an extraordinary event such as an alien abduction for the first time, could be viewed as an irrational request. You would most likely be overwhelmed in that situation. Adding 3(?) other abductees to the same event does compound the questioning as to why no more evidence, but it's understandable.

However, while your entire response is written from the perspective of a one-time encounter, you claim multiple abductions over many decades. Once you cross the threshold of multiple encounters, it's no longer unreasonable to ask for more than a story. At some point, I would think you, your sister(?), mother, or father would figure out something to record the incident. Video, photograph, tape recording, something tangible, etc. Still can't do it? You've roped the neighbors into the incident as witnesses to an alien spacecraft. That gives each one of them the opportunity, after their initial sighting, to record one of your families many abductions completely independent of you.

And after you're sure it is gone, and doesn't seem to be coming back, it is THEN and only THEN that people think, "Gee, we should have taken a picture."

No thoughts went through your fathers, mothers, sisters, or your mind after the second, third, forth, fifth.... abduction that maybe a photograph or something other than a story would be a good idea?

Have you read anything about alien abductions? It doesn't seem like you have.

As far as the "videotape the aliens" foolishness, think it through, folks. You simply aren't taken these aliens seriously.
You need to do that.


I've written at great length about the recording demand in other threads already, I simply don't have the time nor inclination to teach "Abductions 101"every time someone asks the same questions.

If that sounds evasive, so be it.
Nothing will ever change your mind. You are so unaware of the world you live in, I feel sort of bad for how overwhelmed you're going to be if and when you find out for yourself. But not too bad.

You people try to score points as if this were some sort of debate.
It isn't. This isn't a game you can win, or even an argument to be won.

I am not debating you guys, I'm educating you guys. You're welcome, even though you're not thanking me.
Not yet, anyway.

I'm telling you how it is. Whether you like it or not, these aliens are here, and this is what they look like, and this is what they're doing.

I'm unapologetic, and I should be. I know what I'm talking about and I would be derelict in my responsibility to every human being I know if I do not raise the alarm.

And, I'm about as close to an expert on aliens is you're going to find, you should use my time more wisely than trying to play "Gotcha!". You can't "get" me, there's no "getting" someone telling the truth.

Now, as for recording the aliens, as simply as I can put this:

The aliens are smarter than you are.
You should realize that, but this line of questions regarding recording them reveals that you don't.
You should be very aware of that, but you think they're so stupid that a hidden nanny-cam would fool them?
Grow up and start taking this seriously.

They read you mind, instantly.
They know everything.
They know everything you said or did.

They can control your body, paralyzing you where you stand.

And what's worse, they can change your mind. You may fully intend to resist. Every time.

But in an instant, they can alter your mood, making you a friendly, cooperative participant. Just like that. The ones that scream and carry on too much they put in a more subdued state, a kind of obedient sleepwalking.
Either way, you're going, and you're not going to try and steal the ashtrays. You feel like it is normal to be there, with them, and you just do what they say. You have a lot of questions, they don't answer a lot of them, but they might answer a few.

I'm sure everybody's experiences are different, so I don't mean to sound like there is only one type of contact/abduction, but these elements I describe are commonly reported.

Bottom line, no one's getting a picture until they want them too. They are too far advanced. They are fallible, they can make mistakes, sure. Sometimes they argue. They have different personalities, and they do argue, hive mind or not.