Why do people lie about aliens? An in-depth look at why we can discredit near all stories

originally posted by: admirethedistance
a reply to: Scdfa

Then surely you can provide an excerpt showing that....

Yes I certainly can.

At one point in the book, Chop characterized Keyhoe as a "responsible, accurate reporter" and further expressed guarded approval for Keyhoe's arguments in favor of the extraterrestrial hypothesis.

Chop's name and title as Air Force press secretary for the Pentagon are used.

Open those eyes.

originally posted by: Scdfa

originally posted by: admirethedistance
a reply to: Scdfa

Then surely you can provide an excerpt showing that....

Yes I certainly can.

Ok...So where is it? Where's the excerpt from the book containing the phrase 'UFO'?

originally posted by: Scdfa
a reply to: JeanPaul

I did read an entertaining thread here on ATS though, the guy who said he was "chosen" by aliens to fly around in ships when he was in the military. I think he's lying. Stuff like that is perhaps motivated because they lead boring lives, wanting attention etc. It might be fun for some people.

Yes, everybody's lying.
The hundreds and hundreds of military personnel who have come forward with first hand eyewitness testimony of close encounters are all lying.

Because their lives as test pilots and astronauts are so boring and they want attention.

Go back to sleep. And pull up the covers.

I was really interested in the Nuke shutdowns. Those are some of the more interesting cases IMO. I think it possible that the US has some sort of drone with EMP capabilities. And ya, a couple of the pilots accounts are very compelling, but i cant bring myself to say "yes, aliens are visiting earth" without hard real evidence. I'm very interested though...open minded. I just have no way of knowing for sure. My lack of faith may sound insulting, I'm simply incapable of fully believing aliens are visiting without undeniable proof. Perhaps that's some sort of character defect, who knows. I think our corner of the universe would be much more interesting if I did believe. I'd like to believe...

a reply to: JeanPaul

Well said, and quite logical.

originally posted by: Scdfa

originally posted by: admirethedistance
a reply to: Scdfa

Technically, the term wasn't created by the Air Force. The first published use of 'UFO' was in the 1953 book Flying Saucers From Outer Space (a follow-up to his 1950 book The Flying Saucers Are Real), which was written by Donald E. Keyhoe, and based in large part on interviews and reports stemming from the Air Force, but it was not endorsed by, or officially affiliated with the Air Force; It was Keyhoe's personal work.

So there. I've shown that you're wrong.

You are wrong.

The book included writing by Albert M. Chop, the Air Force's press secretary in the Pentagon.

Nice try, no cigar.

Mighty strong words, considering you're apparently making stuff up as you go.

Here you go: The first (and second) ever published use of the term 'UFO', from Donald E. Keyhoe's 1953 book Flying Saucers From Outer Space, Chapter 1: Behind The Scenes, page 2:

Three years before, many Air Force officers would have scoffed at Fogle's report. He was not ridiculed now. For two hours Intelligence officers grilled him on every detail.

Did the UFO (unidentified flying object) seem to be piloted or under remote control? What was its size and shape, its speed compared with a jet? Did it oscillate in flight, or flutter when it climbed? Did the blue light blink or pulsate?

On and on went the probing questions, worked out by the Air Technical Intelligence Center to identify UFO types. Then secret reports were put on the wires, for the ATIC at Dayton and Intelligence Headquarters in Washington.

Emphasis mine.

As you can see, it is not part of a quote from Albert M. Chop, or anybody else, nor does it come from the Air Force in any official capacity. It is Keyhoe's own, original words. YOU ARE WRONG.

originally posted by: JeanPaul

originally posted by: Scdfa
a reply to: JeanPaul

I did read an entertaining thread here on ATS though, the guy who said he was "chosen" by aliens to fly around in ships when he was in the military. I think he's lying. Stuff like that is perhaps motivated because they lead boring lives, wanting attention etc. It might be fun for some people.

Yes, everybody's lying.
The hundreds and hundreds of military personnel who have come forward with first hand eyewitness testimony of close encounters are all lying.

Because their lives as test pilots and astronauts are so boring and they want attention.

Go back to sleep. And pull up the covers.

I was really interested in the Nuke shutdowns. Those are some of the more interesting cases IMO. I think it possible that the US has some sort of drone with EMP capabilities. And ya, a couple of the pilots accounts are very compelling, but i cant bring myself to say "yes, aliens are visiting earth" without hard real evidence. I'm very interested though...open minded. I just have no way of knowing for sure. My lack of faith may sound insulting, I'm simply incapable of fully believing aliens are visiting without undeniable proof. Perhaps that's some sort of character defect, who knows. I think our corner of the universe would be much more interesting if I did believe. I'd like to believe...

Don't blame yourself about needing levels of proof that there is an ongoing ET interaction with earth, levels or proof far above what anyone would need in a court of law to win a case; it is because we have been socially conditioned and brain-washed by the government, media and science to be that way since the 1950's.

The nuke shut-downs, crop circles, cattle mutilations, human abductions - there are thousands of cases from all around the world of the latter three and dozens of cases of the first - all overwhelming circumstantial evidence for an ET interaction with earth. But the PTB have deemed it necessary to deny this at all costs, so most people are left waiting for official acknowledgement despite what their own eyes tell them.

It is a sad case of the emperor wearing no clothes but most have been deceived by charlatans into thinking that he is wearing clothes. Those knowingly part of the coverup will reap their karma for knowingly deceiving their fellow man.

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE

originally posted by: JeanPaul

originally posted by: Scdfa
a reply to: JeanPaul

I did read an entertaining thread here on ATS though, the guy who said he was "chosen" by aliens to fly around in ships when he was in the military. I think he's lying. Stuff like that is perhaps motivated because they lead boring lives, wanting attention etc. It might be fun for some people.

Yes, everybody's lying.
The hundreds and hundreds of military personnel who have come forward with first hand eyewitness testimony of close encounters are all lying.

Because their lives as test pilots and astronauts are so boring and they want attention.

Go back to sleep. And pull up the covers.

I was really interested in the Nuke shutdowns. Those are some of the more interesting cases IMO. I think it possible that the US has some sort of drone with EMP capabilities. And ya, a couple of the pilots accounts are very compelling, but i cant bring myself to say "yes, aliens are visiting earth" without hard real evidence. I'm very interested though...open minded. I just have no way of knowing for sure. My lack of faith may sound insulting, I'm simply incapable of fully believing aliens are visiting without undeniable proof. Perhaps that's some sort of character defect, who knows. I think our corner of the universe would be much more interesting if I did believe. I'd like to believe...

Don't blame yourself about needing levels of proof that there is an ongoing ET interaction with earth, levels or proof far above what anyone would need in a court of law to win a case; it is because we have been socially conditioned and brain-washed by the government, media and science to be that way since the 1950's.

The nuke shut-downs, crop circles, cattle mutilations, human abductions - there are thousands of cases from all around the world of the latter three and dozens of cases of the first - all overwhelming circumstantial evidence for an ET interaction with earth. But the PTB have deemed it necessary to deny this at all costs, so most people are left waiting for official acknowledgement despite what their own eyes tell them.

It is a sad case of the emperor wearing no clothes but most have been deceived by charlatans into thinking that he is wearing clothes. Those knowingly part of the coverup will reap their karma for knowingly deceiving their fellow man.

The good old court of law argument.

Feel free to cite a court ruling that involved ET interaction as evidence.

I look at it this way,

Let's say only 1% of sightings can't be explained which to quote Nick Pope the ex head of Ufo studies in the UK was about correct (10-15 cases)

Let's apply that too abduction story's.

Ok let's say 1000 people each year are abducted for the sake of the argument. Once you take out the liars,hoaxes, looking for fame, and simply wrong accounts if it still left you with 1% that's 10 cases with no logical explanation.

It's the 1% that keeps me interested in the Alien /UFO conspiracy.

Don't forget our law system is built on testimony,yet we accept that with ease , even when no evidence is available.

Real or not the whole topic is fascinating

originally posted by: Conspiracyclass
I look at it this way,

Let's say only 1% of sightings can't be explained which to quote Nick Pope the ex head of Ufo studies in the UK was about correct (10-15 cases)

Let's apply that too abduction story's.

Ok let's say 1000 people each year are abducted for the sake of the argument. Once you take out the liars,hoaxes, looking for fame, and simply wrong accounts if it still left you with 1% that's 10 cases with no logical explanation.

It's the 1% that keeps me interested in the Alien /UFO conspiracy.

Don't forget our law system is built on testimony,yet we accept that with ease , even when no evidence is available.

Real or not the whole topic is fascinating

Another important point is reporting. It has been estimated that certainly less than half and maybe only 5%-10% of abductions are reported, maybe even less than that.

That would mean the scope of the phenomenon is greatly underestimated.

There was a recent thread about members UFO sightings, many didn't talk about reporting/non-reporting, but for those who did, the clear majority was non-reporting.

originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE

originally posted by: JeanPaul

originally posted by: Scdfa
a reply to: JeanPaul

I did read an entertaining thread here on ATS though, the guy who said he was "chosen" by aliens to fly around in ships when he was in the military. I think he's lying. Stuff like that is perhaps motivated because they lead boring lives, wanting attention etc. It might be fun for some people.

Yes, everybody's lying.
The hundreds and hundreds of military personnel who have come forward with first hand eyewitness testimony of close encounters are all lying.

Because their lives as test pilots and astronauts are so boring and they want attention.

Go back to sleep. And pull up the covers.

I was really interested in the Nuke shutdowns. Those are some of the more interesting cases IMO. I think it possible that the US has some sort of drone with EMP capabilities. And ya, a couple of the pilots accounts are very compelling, but i cant bring myself to say "yes, aliens are visiting earth" without hard real evidence. I'm very interested though...open minded. I just have no way of knowing for sure. My lack of faith may sound insulting, I'm simply incapable of fully believing aliens are visiting without undeniable proof. Perhaps that's some sort of character defect, who knows. I think our corner of the universe would be much more interesting if I did believe. I'd like to believe...

Don't blame yourself about needing levels of proof that there is an ongoing ET interaction with earth, levels or proof far above what anyone would need in a court of law to win a case; it is because we have been socially conditioned and brain-washed by the government, media and science to be that way since the 1950's.

The nuke shut-downs, crop circles, cattle mutilations, human abductions - there are thousands of cases from all around the world of the latter three and dozens of cases of the first - all overwhelming circumstantial evidence for an ET interaction with earth. But the PTB have deemed it necessary to deny this at all costs, so most people are left waiting for official acknowledgement despite what their own eyes tell them.

It is a sad case of the emperor wearing no clothes but most have been deceived by charlatans into thinking that he is wearing clothes. Those knowingly part of the coverup will reap their karma for knowingly deceiving their fellow man.

The good old court of law argument.

Feel free to cite a court ruling that involved ET interaction as evidence.

Umm, it is an analogy comparing levels of evidence that would be enough to convict on one hand in court, yet not enough when it comes to UFO's and the ET interaction with earth.

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

Don't blame yourself about needing levels of proof that there is an ongoing ET interaction with earth, levels or proof far above what anyone would need in a court of law to win a case; it is because we have been socially conditioned and brain-washed by the government, media and science to be that way since the 1950's.

i think science is the most important of these - one of the things that people should have learned from science, is that it's very easy to draw incorrect conclusions regarding the nature of the world without a rigorous method of testing those conclusions - even for things that seem quite obviously true

imo the eth is legitimate but not proven, and anyone who claims it is, is not primarily concerned with understanding what's really going on in the world

a reply to: aynock

imo the eth is legitimate but not proven, and anyone who claims it is, is not primarily concerned with understanding what's really going on in the world

Anyone who claims it is legitimate? Or anyone that claims it's not proven?

Either way, you seem to have contradicted yourself there.

a reply to: Bybyots

my apologies - things can be misinterpreted if there are pieces missing!

re-worded for clarity:
imo the eth is legitimate but not proven, and anyone who claims it is proven, is not primarily concerned with understanding what's really going on in the world

a reply to: Scdfa

Are you calling me a liar?

You see what you just did there, you asked a question, its a question due the question mark at the end.

How is that different from what I did?

You bring up and like to imply others as stupid and unable to comprehend yet time and time again and is pointed by others as well that yours is quite off, you see what you want and don't comprehend whats written.

Like this example..

Yes, everybody's lying.

In reply to JeanPaul who mentioned 1 person he thought was lying.

Your reply that "yes, everybody's lying" is clear cut that you see what you want and do not comprehend due to you being so naive the way you express yourself or are simply playing games here on ATS.


More issues with comprehension in a reply to me

And in the same breath asking me to recount my experiences in depth to your satisfaction?

No sir I did not ask you any such thing in what you were replying to.

I asked you a while back in another thread a few months ago when you were spamming every UFO thread you interacted in and claiming to be an expert on Alien encounters and that you could write books and what not, your reply to me when I asked direct questions about what you were posting was enough for me to see who I am interacting with.

Show me I'm wrong.

To quote you in reply to this

I'm certainly not going to any lengths to prove it to people like you.

However it seems admirethedistance did a nice job at showing you you were wrong in that instance.

Which your reply to that was just priceless,



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So many things stated, @Admire, i wouldn't advise you to waste your time trying to explain anything to that scdfa guy, he's a brick wall. So far he hasn't accepted anything that he's been corrected about, rather toxic.

As for "10% of abductions get reported" I believe this would be wrong... It's just like the beginning of life, we don't know what started it, so we can't report how many times it failed to begin. Saying, they don't know what a real abduction would constitute of so they cannot say only 10% of abductions are reported. Many people will hear "You have missing time." and that happens to quite a few of us. I lose hours daily thinking about things at one point I'd probably think I was constantly being abducted. And if they were to try that hypnosis thing on me then i'd recite all I know about aliens and previous stories I've read, I assume.


@JeanPaul, that's it right there. People try to link anything that isn't accounted for by UFOs, they praise them but simply put limit them to things we as human beings are capable of. If you read many stories you have to decide whether it's humans that did it on a military project or aliens who are supposedly exponentially smarter than us. I'd expect them to do some magical thing, disable the uranium/plutonium render it completely useless or remove it without anyone even noticing, that kind of stuff. Not simply electronically disabled, EMP/EMI very possible by humans, matter of fact if a nuke detonates above an area that's it. These aliens have yet to be reported to do things that we here cannot do, simply because many people fail to think beyond our scope of understanding. It's very rare you hear of 'aliens' doing the unimaginable. The best they have is 'telepathic communication'.

Most UFO sightings are reported after 1914 - The launch of commercial flights, just 11 years after our first heavier than air flight. People barely know the history of our own air vehicles but jump to the conclusion of aliens and such things. In the 1900's without television wide spread, if you see a plane, you question life. Hands down. Living your amish lifestyle and there's this unknown thing in the sky. Matter of fact, most people don't even follow the capabilities of our world, the things our scientists have achieved, yet they jump to aliens. Question everything.

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: admirethedistance

originally posted by: Scdfa
What's more important, I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim that nearly all claims of alien contact are a lie.

A claim like that can't be proven. Just like you can't prove that a single claim of alien contact is true.

The Pascagoula incident is enough proof,

Again:

"Parker's corroboration of the tale was likely due to suggestibility since he told police he had "passed out at the beginning of the incident and failed to regain consciousness until it was over"

Tale corroborated by a sleeping witness.

You have a low standard for proof.

Since the tread title uses the word "discredit," I will point out that the above quote alone is more than enough to discredit a lot of the story.

Harte

OMG how many times do we need to clarify the subject?

Parker SAW the beings and SAW the craft. Are you trolling?

originally posted by: admirethedistance
a reply to: Scdfa

You're like a broken record. Yes, many people, from many backgrounds have said many things. Don't you find it at all suspicious that not a single one of them has been able to come away with anything other than a story, though?

During the International Rally Championship that took place in South America in 1978, two participants were lifted by an UFO (along with the car) some minutes after they left a start point and later released close to destination. When the encounter finished, they started the car again and reached the final point. Problem is, they arrived hours before any other car, which is inconsistent with the capabilities of the car they were driving. Long story short, they arrived so early that they were accused of cheating, of course nobody could explain how they did it, basically because you can't cheat considering there was only one road, almost a straight line, and they somehow they also skipped 3 of 4 checkpoints.

'Story' huh? Being uninformed isn't a excuse to talk nonsense.

a reply to: JackHill

Parker SAW the beings and SAW the craft.

Parker, is that you?

If not then how do you know other than wanting to believe something that would match what you want it to be?

I mean if he has said he was a sleep and also said that he saw what he says he did and explains why he said he was asleep in the past is enough to be discredited by any researcher that isn't biased in one way or another.

It becomes harder to accept a persons versions of events once they give two differing versions no matter what the explanation is for saying what they said before.

To say posters are trolling because they use critical thinking and stop the need to believe one way or another due to inconsistencies in whats coming across or how things are told is just childish on your part.

You want to believe he is telling the truth about why he said he was asleep to give your beliefs more verification.

Its not trolling if others don't follow your way of thinking.

During the International Rally Championship that took place in South America in 1978, two participants were lifted by an UFO (along with the car) some minutes after they left a start point and later released close to destination. When the encounter finished, they started the car again and reached the final point. Problem is, they arrived hours before any other car, which is inconsistent with the capabilities of the car they were driving. Long story short, they arrived so early that they were accused of cheating, of course nobody could explain how they did it, basically because you can't cheat considering there was only one road, almost a straight line, and they somehow they also skipped 3 of 4 checkpoints.

'Story' huh? Being uninformed isn't a excuse to talk nonsense.

Why not do a separate thread on this?

I haven't looked into the occurrence to my memory but remember others saying in reply to you since you bring it up so often that the drivers came in 2 hours later not earlier.

Do a thread on this because if its as you say it is then it would be an interesting thread.

originally posted by: [post=19463886]InhaleExhale

Why not do a separate thread on this?

I haven't looked into the occurrence to my memory but remember others saying in reply to you since you bring it up so often that the drivers came in 2 hours later not earlier.

Do a thread on this because if its as you say it is then it would be an interesting thread.

there's a relatively recent one here

a reply to: aynock



for the link