America - You need to take a stand, this is not civilised...

a reply to: and14263

History shows that the edge of decline may look bad, but the beginning of recovery looks a lot worse.

Yes, things are going to get far, far worse in the coming years.

a reply to: and14263

Civilized Americans need to take a stand against the lunacy that is infecting our country.

The lunacy is not the cops.

The lunacy is the didn't do nothing crowd that wants to protest and raise holy hell over criminals getting treated like criminals.

If you are not from the US you have no idea how certain segments of the population act with complete disregard for everything and anyone including the laws that govern this country.

If all you are being feed is from the media, you are being lied to on an epic scale. The media won't touch what is really happening.

You can't even speak out on what is really happening in America on sites like this which supposedly exists to deny ignorance. If you haven't notice this site has been infected as well.

If you even dare touch on the subject you are labeled a bigot or racist and all discussion ceases.

a reply to: Shamrock6

It was an honest and open question - I thought that's what you were saying.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
Drop this here.

*Runs away* hehehehheee.

Population of the US 318 million

Population of England 53 million

Population of Iceland 323 thousand.

Lets all forget the facts.. and skew the results anyway

a reply to: KawRider9

Did you call me a foreigner, just wow, yea keep up the you guys dont get it crap, seriously a foreigner i cant stop laughing.

Its like a situation like that has never existed, oh wait history repeat itself.

Foreigner i still cant lol.

originally posted by: spoonbender
yeah...
because ya got it all sorted

What's the problem with that video?
What would you rather have happened...the police shot him while restrained or while running away?
The Drug Dealer to have pulled out an uzi and got in a gunfight with police?

That is a perfect example of why I much prefer British police than anything I see in America.
Nobody died, there was no police brutality and the police fought the guy and restrained him after a scuffle.

In America at least one person would have died.

Nobody needed to die in that situation and nobody did.

Those cops did their job and put their bodies and lives on the line, as any good and real cop does.

a reply to: 200Plus

What are your thoughts on what More Beer says above? On there being a segment of society which has pushed the situation to where it is now?

a reply to: MoreBeer

You may well be right but as we're conditioned into not thinking like that then it's hard to discuss and hard for people to understand/believe. I have the propensity to discuss it open minded though - There is an innate feeling we are born with as humans which agrees with what you say.

originally posted by: blupblup

originally posted by: spoonbender
yeah...
because ya got it all sorted

What's the problem with that video?
What would you rather have happened...the police shot him while restrained or while running away?
The Drug Dealer to have pulled out an uzi and got in a gunfight with police?

That is a perfect example of why I much prefer British police than anything I see in America.
Nobody died, there was no police brutality and the police fought the guy and restrained him after a scuffle.

In America at least one person would have died.

Nobody needed to die in that situation and nobody did.

Those cops did their job and put their bodies and lives on the line, as any good and real cop does.

Then again, maybe they wouldn't have died. Ignore the tens of thousands of arrests made in any given week that don't have any theatrics. Ignore all the ones that DO have theatrics and yet are still handled responsibly and by the book. Let's act like every encounter with law enforcement results in a death.

Hyperbole at its finest

originally posted by: sn0rch

originally posted by: boymonkey74
Drop this here.

*Runs away* hehehehheee.

Population of the US 318 million

Population of England 53 million

Population of Iceland 323 thousand.

Lets all forget the facts.. and skew the results anyway

Even adjusted per ratio of 100,000 people its still pretty dismal.

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

I don't know if you're an American or not, I was generalizing.

But to say, "more guns, more killing for stealing a cigar", makes me think you're not from here or are just blindly ignoring the facts of the matter.

People aren't gunned down for stealing a cigar.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Exactly my point. The last shooting where I live? Sunday. One fatality, one in hospital.

And no, no police were involved.

a reply to: Shamrock6

But pretending that the amount of guns in the U.S. doesn't have any impact on the arming of police is absurd.

Thats absurd. The increase of guns in the hands of police are due to a few incidents, a perception of their increased vulnerability, brought on by over reactions to cases like this one in Los Angeles, dubbed the "Hollywood Shootout".

Overwhelmed by two bank robbers the whole of American policedom saw the need to arm themselves with assault rifles, just in case. They been carrying then ever since, the hollywood shootout being the prime driving reason for the change in policy nation wide.

a reply to: and14263

Defund departments and send them home. Keep them perfectly safe. I would be fine with this. Others harbor fears of boogeymen and I understand that. Alternatives....

100% cruiser cam, lapel cam and gun barrel cam.

Make the police pensions cover the civil judgments.

A nation wide list of convicted civil rights offenders should be public so they don't bounce to different departments.

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: 200Plus

What are your thoughts on what More Beer says above? On there being a segment of society which has pushed the situation to where it is now?

a reply to: MoreBeer

You may well be right but as we're conditioned into not thinking like that then it's hard to discuss and hard for people to understand/believe. I have the propensity to discuss it open minded though - There is an innate feeling we are born with as humans which agrees with what you say.

We are definitely born as humans and that is all that should matter.

We are all just souls trapped in different colored cages.

I have grown up with friends from every race. My first, best, and closest friend is a minority.

It's disgusting that the race card is used as shield to deflect all criticism and attempts at discussion.

I'll add that there are definitely cases of police brutality that do occur but these are an extreme exception to the rule. One such example is the Kelly Thomas case.

originally posted by: and14263
This thread

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Well, then there's this[ /url]:

In an appearance on CNN’s “Outfront” on Monday, Benét Embry, host of the “Benét Embry Radio Show,” explained that it was his view that a pool party that went awry and led to a confrontation between several black teenagers and local police wasn’t about race.

He blamed “seven knuckleheads” for ruining what was about kids “there just having a good time.”

“I do not believe that this was about race,” Embry said. “What this was a teenage party that got out of control. It was about 130 kids there, 100 good kids there just having a good time. Out of the 130, predominantly African-American, seven knuckleheads ruined the whole thing for everybody. That’s what this is all about. I don’t think — I do not believe that officer showed up to the subdivision with the intention, ‘I’m going to go out and swing black kids around.’ I do not believe that. That’s not the way the community is set up. That’s not the community we live in. So, amidst death threats that I have received and the banning of my radio show, my neighbor had to send his son away because he is receiving death threats.”

I prefer to believe this guy over what appears to be another fabricated mass racial discord. If I take a stand, it's against the fabricated racial tension, not the LEOs' response to the idiocy at the pool party.

[url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1114280/Warning-Graphic-Man-knife-shot-police-12-times.html]And this too (forgive the advert for a sugar fix)

Ummm...the guy was yelling at the officers to shoot him (not an excuse to do so) and being aggressive with the officers and wielding a deadly weapon and took a higher ground and started advancing toward one of them (legal grounds to use deadly force). Sorry, I'm not taking a stand against this one, either--other than the idiots on the camera acting like the knife-wielding genius did nothing wrong. I will take a stand against willful ignorance every day.

Ooh, let's not forget this one...

I'm sorry, but anyone still using Michael Brown as an example of police brutality or police murder is--not to put too fine a point on it--an idiot. Please wake up.

And whilst we're at it this too.

Finally, you get one right. This is, in my opinion, murder, plain and simple, and I will take a stand against that.

See what I'm getting at?

What are YOU doing to take this machismo out of YOUR police force? Is there anything you can do?

Give a small stupid man a gun and this happens.

The problem here is that you are using the wrong examples to make a point. What about Eric Garner? Or what about this one that happened in one of my adjacent counties?

Sure, there are problems in some of our police forces or with some of our officers, but when you are capable of picking out the truly problematic cases amidst the mass of ill-conceived ramblings against all LEOs and racist this or thats, then you can see that the problem is absolutely manageable--if only someone would start managing it.

But I will concede that, if it doesn't get managed and managed properly and quickly, I do see a downward spiral that relationships between the general public and LEOs will be uncontrollably riding on. The problem, though, has to do more with posts like this that scream there are problems with the police when 3/4 of your examples are not what you claim. Just using that as an example, if we could cut out the 75% of media coverage that is false (concerning fabricated racial elements or, for that matter, police excessive force), then we might not be in such a predicament.

ETA: Please excuse any apparent coding errors...I've gone through and looked at it, and I can't find anything wrong, but it's appearing all dicked up.

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: and14263

Defund departments and send them home. Keep them perfectly safe. I would be fine with this. Others harbor fears of boogeymen and I understand that. Alternatives....

The cops have essentially done this in Baltimore and violent crime is skyrocketing--there is some responsibility on the citizen to not be a criminal if we are going to shut down the police.

a reply to: and14263

If people do what they're told to do there are never any problems. Go figure.

a reply to: intrptr

Yes because police weren't armed before that right?

Oh, no, wait, you're talking about the militarization of police.

I'm not.

Absurd indeed.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: intrptr

Yes because police weren't armed before that right?

Oh, no, wait, you're talking about the militarization of police.

I'm not.

Absurd indeed.

ETA- actually lets explore that for a second. The result of the Hollywood shoot out was not an INCREASE in weaponry. It was the cause of a SHIFT in weaponry. I can't think of anybody that rides with both a shotgun and a carbine. What I can think of are any number of officers that have one or the other. Much like the FBI shoot out in Florida caused many agencies to SHIFT from carrying revolvers to carrying semi-autos. Haven't seen anybody rolling out with a double rig on, even though they used to carry a revolver.

a reply to: sn0rch

Doesn't matter compare the numbers and in the USA you are more likely to be shot by a police officer than either in the UK or iceland.
No skewing of results or are you actually saying I have skewered the numbers?.