America - You need to take a stand, this is not civilised...

a reply to: boymonkey74

I am happy that you are happy.

Each individual should have the right to make the decision as to whether they can protect themselves or have another provide that protection (or call someone to provide that protection )

I advocate for that whole heartedly. You do not.

You say "this makes me happy, so you should be happy with it too".

originally posted by: PLAYERONE01

originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: and14263

When a British vet had his head cut off in broad daylight what did the responding "officers" do?

They called cops with guns.

England has civilians with badges that walk around and talk to people. Hall monitors I would call them. It works as long as nothing bad is happening. When something bad happens, they call actual cops with guns.

America has too many people to have a "hall monitor" system. Many places have a neighborhood watch which is basically what you are advocating for.

nice try, but in this clip four officers are subduing one teen then one officer stands up and executes the young offender in the back. lets watch closely.

Wow!!

Did you see that bald cop hop off the guy after he was shot like "Holy Shnip!!"

a reply to: and14263

Let's be honest here: people asking if it was a false flag isn't exactly a good barometer.

Here on ats, nearly everything is a false flag until proven otherwise. And even then, it still gets called one.

a reply to: and14263

Things don't change overnight. I'm pretty sure that rumblings have started. I believe that Obama has mentioned that he is working to try to get police to wear body cameras. Many precincts already require them.

Then the biggest thing though is that the war on drugs is getting cracks in it. Within a few years marijuana will be legal everywhere in the states and as we legalize marijuana, many are starting to question the rest of the war on drugs. It is likely that it will end within the next decade or two (hopefully sooner).

a reply to: and14263
You can't compare British cops serving British people with American cops dealing with Americans. Compare each country's murder and gun crime rates. The numbers tell the tale. The 2'nd Amendment in all its glory.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Perhaps not.

But we're wavering from the point of the thread. Yes indeed, a man cut another man's head off and the reaction of the police was to shoot him. That is fact. It is also fact that it was a special unit and police in the UK do not carry guns unless under special circumstances.

If we must compare and do a UK vs US then... It is not a normal occurrence in the UK, unlike the US... Police don't shoot people very much.

But as usual we have devolved into a "you vs us" thing where people become angst and defensive.

A great example of why your country is in the situation it is. (Mine too is going that way.)

a reply to: and14263

And in the UK people don't often run around shooting each other, do they?

a reply to: and14263

I agree that one out of your five examples was a horrendous act.

The man that committed the act was charged with murder and will most likely serve life in prison.

I'm not sure what else could be done about that.

My point is that you want to make these examples about an out of control police force, when in fact they actually demonstrate a deteriorating society.

An individual (or group) decide - "F the police. They can't tell me a dam thing. I'll do what I want and if the try to stop me I'll bust their ass". Reality doesn't work that way. As my NCO's used to tell me "a hard head makes for a soft ass".

In the examples that you used to try to demonstrate an out of control police force, why did they stop at the one individual breaking the law? Why not everyone in the area? Why not bystanders? Why not the cameraman?

It was the individual that was breaking the law that brought the police interaction upon themselves by breaking the law. We cannot gloss over that and say "the cops are out of control" simply because they are doing their job. Society itself determines the way in which that job is done.

a reply to: and14263

What exactly would you like us to do?

Want us citizens to take care of criminals ourselves? Want us to start killing police officers?

Don't post random videos and say "this has to stop". Offer up some suggestions.

Personally, I'm not afraid of cops. I don't tow the line by any stretch of the imagination and am no angel, but I know I wont be killed by an officer. Wanna know why???? Because I do what's asked and am polite when dealing with cops for my mis-deeds. Simple as that!

The handfull of times the police were being pricks when no crimes were commited, I gave them a scolding. Just a couple months ago I told a Sherriff to GTFO my property, he did. Cops aren't all bad and you just gotta know how to handle yourself.

You obviusly don't live in America.

What you are experiencing is called "mean world syndrome"
or in your case "mean cop in America syndrome"

This is a real psychological phenomenon,

(google it and read about it)

it is when you watch too much TV news
to much TV in general
read too much about negativity in on the internet.

You get a misconception of what the entire world/country
is like.

For every cop on TV or talked about on ATS,
there are thousands upon thousands
that never make the news.

There are close to a million police in the US
that hand out their tickets, that respond
to calls for help, that never, ever, ever,
make the news or ATS, because what
they do is frankly boring and expected.

With TV and mass media,
if one person experiences something horrific
word travels the entire globe at the speed of lightening.

Giving the impression that it happens frequently
in the world/country, when the entire reason it
made the news was it's uniqueness.

What happened was most likely a 1 in 7Billion
event. But it is perceived by the world as happening
7 Billion times, rather than 1 time.

That is what is happening in the US right now.

There are bad police, yes, I won't deny it at all.
But for every policeman who makes a bad choice,
there are thousands upon thousands who make
good choices and help the community.

Look at Baltimore,
they asked for the police to back off and leave
the minority community alone (Baltimore is 64% black)
and less than 30% white. So backing off on arresting
"minorities" meant backing off and not arresting 70%
of the criminals.

The result, massive crime, killing sprees, etc.
People upset that the police did what they were asked,
to stop policing 70% of the population of the city.
What does that tell you?

That most of the police were doing their job
before everyone got upset at a few rotten apples
and over reacted and forced the decent police
to stop doing their jobs.
Resulting in the worst crime and murder spree
Baltimore has ever seen.

So, if you want America to clean up it's few
bad apples,
what have you done to clean up your few bad apples,
in your own backyard.

The opinions you see on ATS are for the most part
over reactions and gross exaggerations,

just as you see on TV,

because the posters
are also steeped in the fictional "mean world"
created by the media.

a reply to: 200Plus

An out of control police force is part of a deteriorating society though is it not?

The police force is a fulcrum of society.

If my son gets caught with a knife then he will be thrown in a prison cell. Not shot.

If you are happy with the way your police force behaves then that's good. I'm not. I don't think killing people who break the law is just. A split second decision, made under emotive circumstances - Policing shouldn't have to rely on this - most humans make poor decisions under pressure.

I agree society is a mess and getting worse. But that's no excuse not to hold the police accountable for poor behaviour.

originally posted by: PLAYERONE01

originally posted by: 200Plus

originally posted by: boymonkey74

*Runs away* .

Like a UK cop faced with a criminal?

American cops faced with criminal

OMFG like OMG I cant believe this BS! Nice post this belongs in a new thread.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Erm no they don't.
Can't remember the last shooting around here.

a reply to: KawRider9

What would I suggest?

I can't force anyone to do anything but a start would be...

From a ground level I'd continue the protests, not just for a few days. I'd make them daily and in prominent places. I'd also get media attention by using charitable PR companies.

Then I'd lobby against the police recruitment and training process.

I'd lobby to introduce laws which ensure that police who make mistakes are punished.

But it's your country not mine. And it seems like you are all more than content with the current situation. ergo change will not be forthcoming.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: and14263

And in the UK people don't often run around shooting each other, do they?

Great logic except half these unjustified shooting in the US tend to be unarmed people.

a reply to: Shamrock6

So we're saying the right to bear arms is the root of the problem?

a reply to: boymonkey74

And therein lies the crux of the issue, and why any comparison between UK and US police is flawed from the beginning.

An armed populace begets an armed police force. The manner in which force is applied could be better, yes. In the instances that seem to get all the attention on ats anyway, many of them were improper applications of force. But those are not the majority.

And I'll hang on to my guns, either way. All of them.

originally posted by: PLAYERONE01

originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: PLAYERONE01

320 million people.

Post 100 cases of asinine cops (half of which are fired for their actions).

Proves what that less than .001% of cops are in the wrong and America has an "evil cop" problem.

You people are smarter than that.

It's a ploy to nationalize the police.

Nothing more and nothing less.

like i said i have all night, i can keep going if you like?

And each and every one of them was recorded and flew around the internet
because they are out of the ordinary.

They would not make the news or fly around the internet
if they were everyday happenings

Everyday, common events don't make the news
the examples
are outrageous
and awful
and that is the reason they are circulated.

There are 1,100,000+ police officers in the US.
You can probably come up with 100 awful videos
That seems like a lot, until you do the math
that is .0001% of the police you are showing
on your videos

Until you can find 10,100 such egregious
acts you haven't even proven that 10%
of the police are bad apples.
10% is too high, but still a small number,

you haven't even approached .0001% yet;
which proves nothing
but you are falling for the psychological
phenomenon known as
"mean world syndrome"

Most of you are engaging in
infantile thinking
not rational thinking.

Look at the percentages
Then please google "mean world" syndrome
because most of you seem to have this
psychological condition.

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: Shamrock6

So we're saying the right to bear arms is the root of the problem?

No, just no.

The problem is ignorant people.