Cops manhandle teens at Dallas pool party after complaints from neighbors

originally posted by: Pimpish
I'd just like to point out that cops don't have some sort of all encompassing authority. If you've done absolutely nothing wrong and they give you an order, such as sit right there...if you've done nothing wrong and you're not under arrest, guess what? You don't have to listen to them. It usually doesn't end well, but that's only because most cops assume they have the authority to do whatever they want.

As long as you're not interfering with them and have done nothing wrong, you don't have to sit down or leave the area just because they say so. People have rights. You will definitely want to stay out of their way, so you don't interfere, but they have no right to tell you where you're allowed to stand if you're not interfering and you've done nothing wrong.

As far as mouthing off to the officer, as long as you're not making threats, guess what? That's another one of our rights. It's called the first amendment to the constitution of the united states, since some of you seem unfamiliar with it. It's perfectly legal to stand there and call the officer every name in the book, again, as long as you're not interfering with them.

I'll go ahead and leave this here.

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529.

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Interfering with cops?

You mean like the 2 future Darwin award nominees who tried squaring off with the cop when he put the lunatic girl on the ground?

Yeah they didn't do nothing.

a reply to: Shamrock6

No deluge of comments from me, if you are flying the flag of community policing then you have my respect because your job being the reasonable cop is much harder than it would be here in the UK.
Most people like the cops here, I've even heard 'organised' criminals say "Why did you beat up that copper, he's decent" before now, but that is another story.
It is frowned upon here because we all have/had mothers and respect the fact cops would help them if they saw them in trouble.
It's pretty much as basic as that, nobody would mind the small percent of prick cops getting a beating, but cops generally, no, I would say the majority of people in the UK respect them doing the annoying referee thing so they can enjoy their game.

originally posted by: Pimpish
a reply to: texasgirl



Someone else in the thread seems to have had different experiences there.

Her husband lived in the DFW area and doesn't say he lived in McKinney. Just says he had friends who live there and say it's racist.

And the statement "No blacks live there?" People from ALL races live in McKinney and Craig Ranch.

a reply to: Greathouse

I think the jerk already fell over because he was so eager to get to manhandle some kids that he forgot how to run.

Off course, after that, the ego hurts even more.

Then again the barrel roll was the only cool thing he did :-)

a reply to: MoreBeer

You mean like the 2 future Darwin award nominees who tried squaring off with the cop when he put the lunatic girl on the ground?

I clearly wasn't referring to those two, obviously if you square up on some cops there are going to be issues. That would be pretty much the opposite of what I said about not interfering.

I'd like to pose you this question though, if that was your sister you saw being manhandled by the officer for the terrible offense of not moving when he said, what would your reaction be? The people I know tend to react when someone they care about needs help. It seems like it should just be a natural reaction.

Again though, I wasn't referring to those two. I was more talking about all the other people the cop was cussing out and yelling to move away. Most of them weren't even in frame on the camera so why the heck did they need to move away if they weren't doing anything wrong and weren't in the way? The answer is they didn't, they were completely within their rights.

From the video it seems pretty clear that most of the officers on the scene reacted appropriately while one thug decided he was going to take it a bit further. Only the one officer is really going crazy, the others seem like they're just doing their jobs.

The girl that later was held down, looked like she briefly struggled a bit when the officer was holding her arm. The video makes that distinction a bit difficult. People should know that if you're being held by a cop, and you struggle, to presumably get him off you, that's not going to work. As much as people would point the finger, even the girl, still you should know better and that's on you. But she'll probably see it as entirely on the cop, and pardon herself for being an idiot.

a reply to: texasgirl

I know the vid starts with mention of race but to me that is not the issue, it is cops failing miserably at what was nothing more than a public order issue at worst.
A bit of 'dad mode' speak without swearing could have organised those young people in my opinion, but we'll never know because the cops didn't even try to reason with them.
Race is not the issue here to me, just crappy policing.

Those of you who are defending this cops actions are forgetting that he was SUSPENED for his actions. So obviously his superiors did not think he acted appropriately. WHY are you defending him?

a reply to: Jaellma

I don't know everything that happened at this community pool incident so I'm going to wait to get the full story. I do know that families who don't belong to community pools often show up and use it anyway.

We have this problem at my apartment complex right now. We're the only pool in the neighborhood and families from the next door suburb always show up and use it. They bring their kids and it gets so crowded and rowdy that most of us who actually live here end up leaving. It's a problem. We have pool passes to prove that we belong but it hasn't been enforced until now. We pay a price to live here and should be able to use our amenities without issue. Our apt community is actually having a spat with the next door community.

So I can understand how this McKinney situation got out of hand. Again, I will wait for the full story.

originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: Answer

I agree,and as a mother of 2 boys if they were stupid enough to act up like that to the police,then when they got hog tied oh well. Don't be stupid.

I agree, don't be stupid, but at the same time kids shouldn't FEAR the police. Fear getting into trouble yes, but fear bodily harm........ no.

a reply to: Pimpish

That would never happen to a sibling of mine, my parents, offspring, or future offspring.

The reason why?

I have been raised better than that and raise my children better than that.

They would listen and keep their mouth shut and get out of that situation without being arrested.

After they got out of that situation then they would raise their voices and concerns if they think any wrong doing has occurred.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: texasgirl



I know the vid starts with mention of race but to me that is not the issue, it is cops failing miserably at what was nothing more than a public order issue at worst.

A bit of 'dad mode' speak without swearing could have organised those young people in my opinion, but we'll never know because the cops didn't even try to reason with them.

Race is not the issue here to me, just crappy policing.

I don't like what happened in the video, either, but it wasn't being recorded when this first started so we don't know exactly what happened before that. There are videos circling the internet of the actual fight, too, BEFORE the cops arrived.

I have been responding to those who are claiming that McKinney is racist. I've just not seen that. And, incidentally, McKinney was voted "Best Place to Live." There's a reason for that.

And if you're wondering...No, I don't live in McKinney. I live in neighboring Frisco.

Was anyone injured?
Ok, then WHY is this news?

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Whatever the story the cops were dicks. The suspects were kids in swimsuits FFS.
It wouldn't have happened where I live, there would have been cops getting punched and backup being called from other police forces, but then our cops don't carry guns and are vastly outnumbered so they are mostly friendly and reason with people first.
Cops are viewed as the annoying referee here, annoying, but necessary.
One in ten has a tazer at most, the rest just batons, that's why they aren't dicks usually because they will lose against an angry crowd, I guess in a culture where the cops fear citizens might shoot them then they are more reactive when folk do not comply.
Again, I feel for the folks in the US. I don't know anyone who is scared of UK police, we even have to help them out sometimes when they are outnumbered.

Yes, they were. I knew cops as a kid; mo mother went to school with several of them. They weren't like these! Odds are, had one of them seen someone act like this guy, they'd have acted against him. It's getting crazy over here. I feel for your cops, being unarmed, because they can face some real threats, but ours are over-armed, too often, and many, like this one, are out of control.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Same here, I've broken up fights on my own using reason and a loud voice without swearing, call it 'dad mode' if you like.
Those cops have clearly not been trained in any crowd psychology or negotiation, just comply or die.
I find it completely alien and I'm no longer surprised that some US folk feel they are in a tyrannical police state.
It's sad.

We are. Not all cops are like that, of course, but he ones that are decent are becoming outnumbered. I don't get it. I had no training in what I did; it was simple common sense.

Another sad example if just how poorly trained American LEOs are. Anyone with common sense in an positoon of authority could have handled that situation better.

Any psychology majors looking to write a grad paper or senior thesis on the folly of poor training, inept hiring selection, and excessive powers being granted to individuals with deep rooted psychological disorders and insecurities this cop in the video would be like the Holy grail.

What I don't understand is how the laws made it so that you have to comply with police issuing irrational and often completely illegal orders. The ends do not justify the means. Wonder if cops realize that the second amendment was writen in large part by wise men to empower the civilians in the event they needed to stop cops acting beyond their moral and often legal authority. In this case I would site the illegal escalation of force against a innocent child. Also last time I checked short of issuing threats you can talk all the S!## you want right to a cops face and legally if you aren't threatening to assault them they can't do S $!# about it. Sadly they will assault you to protect their ego. Talking S $!# is NOT preventing the cop from doing their job. and if it is that's a sad excuse for a cop who obviously can't handle the real world and should be pushing a pen not people.

No offence LEOs but most people run from cops these days who are innocent because of the whole false arrest, false imprisonment, shoot you and literally get away with murder thing. This is YOUR problem not societies and its YOUR doing and YOUR FAULT. You guys are the ones that need to clean your act up. so why are so butt hurt and over reacting that extremly poorly thought out policies you guys made up sorta are divorced from reality and don't hold up worth S $!# in the real world.

As for the cop who pulled his gun like a real pussy that he is when the people came to defend the innocent girl being brutally assaulted for nothing legitimate. IF that cop did actually get decked he would have deserved it.

Cops need to understand that they may be above the law if man but not the laws of nature. Keep acting like that then wonder why the community defends themselves and cops get shot. It's common sense and the only one who arent getting it ARE the cops. I say pull your heads out of your asses and join the civilized world.

a reply to: texasgirl

Since the one officer was already suspended, the police department seems to at least think this needs investigation. Not surprised just the one officer was suspended, since he seemed to be the only one who deserved it.

Here's another article that I found quite interesting.

Decase73’s Youtube playlist features a dozen videos with titles like “Man Attacks Baltimore Police Officer,” “Man Sucker-Punches Cop Gets Kicked in the Face,” and “Chief tells the TRUTH that Black People don’t want to hear.” All would appear to reflect a mindset that police officers are entitled to use any and all force necessary to subjugate those they ostensibly protect and serve.

Yesterday, the video of Casebolt manhandling a teenage girl and pointing his gun at two boys was added to the playlist.

gawker.com...

Almost seems like maybe the cop gets off on this kind of stuff.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Was anyone injured?
Ok, then WHY is this news?

Because it has a video... Its a lot better than Caitlin Jenner

originally posted by: Woodcarver
Those of you who are defending this cops actions are forgetting that he was SUSPENED for his actions. So obviously his superiors did not think he acted appropriately. WHY are you defending him?

a reply to: Jaellma

Administrative leave. An investigation? Like finding out right vs. wrong, you know? Fair to say, equally his superiors do think he acted appropriately. Hence, "investigation".

a reply to: texasgirl

Fight or no fight beforehand, the situation the cops in the vid (at the time) were dealing with was handled badly.
The cops would have probably been lynched by the local parents if they tried that on here, it is why they don't do that #.
An unarmed populace and police has it's benefits.

a reply to: texasgirl

I have been responding to those who are claiming that McKinney is racist. I've just not seen that.

With all due respect, if you're white, and I'm guessing you are (maybe I'm racist?), then you really have no idea. Of course you aren't going to have to deal with racism in a predominantly white neighborhood if you're white...

I'm not saying the area is racist, and in fact I tend to agree with you based on some real estate pages I was reading. Based on that it seems to be a somewhat diverse area without too many racism issues. Of course, that's the people, and not the cops.

I'm just making my point that if you're white and hanging out with white people, you just really don't know how other people are treated. Generally most racist people deep down know it's wrong and will hide it from other people from the same race unless they're of the same mind. At least, from my experience.