Cops manhandle teens at Dallas pool party after complaints from neighbors

a reply to: grainofsand

Yep. Amazing how a little conversation can go a long way.

The area I worked had a no skateboarding ordinance for literally two blocks. Just because of train tracks and high foot traffic. Problem was, it was also a decent hill to skateboard down. Amazingly enough, within a couple of weekend shifts I managed to get most of the kiddos to stop trying to ride the hill. They knew I would hassle them for it but I wasn't going to take their boards or call their parents or whatever else overly dramatic resolution you can come up with.

Sadly, community policing isn't all that complicated in most areas. Some areas it is a tough nut to crack. Other times, people are just too lazy to put in the effort. Which is a shame, because the benefits of it can be downright inspirational sometimes.

a reply to: Shamrock6

What you are mentioning is earning respect by giving respect. That most of the time leads to solutions.

a reply to: Answer

maybe its only because i grew up in a small town...but when we ran from a busted party the cops didn't tase us, or throw us on the ground, or rough us up at all. They just gathered up the booze and dealt with the kids who were there.

I would have hated to have grown up where/when you did.

Another one of those videos.

It seems the word "deescalation" does not even exist in the cops vocabulary.

Uses a lot of foul language - how would you expect anyone to give you respect, when you use that kind of language.

The other thing which caught my attention: the powertripping cop does barely touch the boys.
But he grabs the girl, shoves her face into the ground and then sits on her.
I am sure he's getting off of grinding his crotch against a female minor.

Sick and very unprofessional on all levels.

a reply to: Answer

This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with people who had no permission to be there but refused to leave.

Absolutely, tell is like it is. It's a complete coincidence that the only people they detained that you can see were all black. Complete coincidence....

After reviewing the tape again it's become obvious to me why that one jerk was so aggressive. That's the same cop that fell down at the beginning of the video he was embarrassed and his ego was hurt .

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: Answer

There's obviously more to this story than we can see in this video.

I agree. However, not in the same way. Check my initial post here for more information. Seems the area is racist (that from the hubby, not from any article), and the kids were verbally attacked at the pool for being black. Maybe some fighting occurred, and maybe not, and so far, there isn't evidence I have seen on that part of the story.

originally posted by: Answer

Additionally, when you run from the cops, they naturally assume there's a good reason. How is this so hard to understand?



When you're dealing with a police officer, you don't stand there talking crap to the cop and you don't disobey them when they ask you stay where you are. Additionally, when an officer has to take down your belligerent friend, you don't run up to the cop like you're about to assault him in defense of your friend or you WILL get a weapon pointed at you.

Watch the video again. He told kids several times to leave, then manhandled kids and told them, "I told you to stay". The girl was in a group he told to leave, and note he dragged her back to that area. She had followed orders, as far as we can see. Several kids were trying to locate belongings as well, and not one was aggressive. Even the ones going up to protest his abusing their friend weren't aggressive. I wouldn't have felt threatened by them, as an older woman, out of shape, and probably unarmed, but this fit cop with a gun was? Bull! He has issues.

originally posted by: Answer

When I was a teenager and the cops showed up to a large gathering, the ones who ran and acted like idiots got treated like idiots. The ones who stayed put and listened to the cops were talked to and released.

The kids were leaving. They were told to leave, so they were leaving, and because of that, they were somehow wrong? Wasnt' them going elsewhere the solution they sought?

originally posted by: Answer

I'll get labeled a cop supporter/idiot/whatever for typing all this but in EVERY SINGLE ONE of these cases, foolish people get roughed up by the cops because they wouldn't listen and decided to act tough instead of listening to the officer. There are plenty of people there not being messed with by the cops because they listened.

I agree with a lot of your posts, but I can't on this one. I will be the first one to call BS if the cops were int eh right, and have one so. I'll also call them wrong when they are, and this guy was wrong. Maybe some were fighting, and some sitting waiting didn't fight, or claim innocence. Even those around the video guy said the girl did nothing, though. Why was she singled out? Is the cop racist, or does he have some thing for teenage girls, maybe, or both?

I'm sorry, but I have many friends and clients in the Craig Ranch area and I don't see racism at all. They don't see it, either. It's middle/high class area but the people I know are white, black and hispanic. They're all lovely and get along. They're neighbors who invite eachother to parties. I know, I've been to these parties.

Please don't point the racist finger at Mckinney Craig Ranch.

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: Answer maybe in a totalitarian police state with the highest incarceration rate in the industrial world

I guess you don't have hoodlum kids with no respect for authority over in England,

We don't have police who overreact at minor situations, which this was. Tell me how a couple of old ladies couldn't of handled this More effectively

a reply to: Shamrock6

Agreed, and maybe because our cops adopt a friendly attitude our young folk tend to respond better, especially when the sole cop is speaking to a group of 20 or more and all they have is that baton. They know that fear is not part of their toolbox.
My local beat cops all have a twitter account and engage with the youngsters, even banter about behaving themselves, it is all about engaging the community and getting them to behave because it is the right thing to do, not because they should fear a baton over the head.
They are the annoying referees and everyone knows you need a ref to have a game, so as long as our cops play by the same rules we all seem to mostly get along.

I've been in violent situations where I've helped cops out before now, they are vastly outnumbered and unarmed here, but many other decent blokes have done the same as me because we all know mostly our cops are decent and doing the right thing.
The videos I see in 'posse comitus' are usually shocking, and always from the US. That makes me a little sad for folks in the US.

a reply to: texasgirl

I'm not familiar with that particular area, but certain areas of Texas are certainly extremely racist. I lived there in the 8th grade. The neighbors, or whoever, used to put signs up near our house with all sorts of lovely racist comments on them such as "Go home n__ lovers!" and other sorts of wonderful stuff along those lines. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if that area, or anywhere in Texas, were racist.

Ffs...since when must all instantly comply to police commands or otherwise be treated like a tortured prisoner? I guess since here recently in the US. All of the posters here defending the police actions, all of them, say something like "funny how the video starts with the black kids not complying to police commands."

Even if true (which was not the case for many of the kids chosen for rough up), SO WHAT?

Are the police slave drivers now, are they our emperors? The kids were preteens and young teens. Not following a command equates to a child being assaulted by a grown man?

Funny that. A parent is not even allowed to assault their own child for not following a command. Illegal. Yet a police officer can assault a stranger adolescent for not following an order and it is A Okay?

Do you see problem here? Grown men overreacting like babies, playing god damn ninja.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: grainofsand the incident would of probably only required police community service officers, maybe a couple of old ladies could of handled the situation better

I could have! Not "old", exactly, but not young, and nothing they did looked threatening to me. Sheesh, I broke up hotel parties all the time; me and an unarmed guard, with 15-20+ people in attendance, at night, and no one ever caused an issue. These kids weren't threatening at all.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Well, you must have watched a different video than the one posted. The girl was off screen,, back to the right someplace, away, as the cop told her to be, and he went and dragged her back. How was she mouthing off when she wasn't even there?

Okay now watch this part again starting at 2:34,he is telling the guys sitting down what they did wrong yes? And there is a group of girls standing on the sidewalk and the one is running her mouth.Look at what she is wearing,it is the SAME outfit of the girl her finally AFTER several times warning her about her mouth,then grabs and throws down.

Whole groups were told to leave, and some members of those groups were singled out and told they were wrong for doing so.

Now watching from this point, :49 you see that indeed the police did tell 'some' of the kids to leave.But others that they wanted to question were told to stay and they didn't. That is the problem.They wanted to talk to certain kids,but they decided to do what they wanted.

What were they not doing, that they were told to do? Leaving They were told to leave.

Not all of them were,the police wanted answers and those they wanted to talk to tried to run off.

"Subdue"?? A young girl, displaying no aggressive behavior and in fact not near him before he went after her, needed "subdued"???

Did she go to him when he told her too? Did she lay down so he could hand cuff her? That is called resisting arrest. It doesn't matter whether you or I or the pope like it or not. When you are told by the police to come here,you do it. If you are told to shut up,YOU DO IT. She choose to challenge. She lost. The more you try to fight with the police to keep from being put on the ground and hand cuffed,the more you are resisting arrest. It does not help your case.

These kid were complying. Some were looking for their belongings, some were leaving, and some were, as told, staying.

Yes after the cops had to chase them down and call for back up.At the beginning they could have complied and dealt with only one cop,and it would have been no big deal. He would have told those that didn't belong there to go,and when they left,it would have been over. But that didn't happen. They decided to do what they wanted. These kids had ALREADY been told by the people that lived there several times to go,and had refused. That was a private pool for the residents, not a public pool.

Sorry, but NO! The cops do not have any justification for arresting someone, especially with violence,

Hold up there,you expect me to believe that if a neighbor came over to your home and was threatening bodily harm to you,that you would just chalk it up to their free speech? Give me a break. Unless you planned on going out there and hurting them yourself,you would be on the phone to the police so fast it wouldn't be funny. And you would EXPECT the police to do something about it. That is exactly what happened in this circumstance. If she would not have thought she could take on the world,she would not have got her self into such trouble. Too bad so sad. Next time do as your told and stop threatening people.

Most of the cops were simply talking, till their idiot friend pulled his gun.

Look again at the video. At 3:17 you see the cop is trying to get her on the ground and not one,not two,but three people try to step in,if you keep watching you will see several more,that is until the other cops jump in.At 3:23 He finally pulls his gun after having to kick someone back away from him and chase both him and another guy.

Now I stand by my prior statement on this. I think both this one cop and the kids both reacted wrong to this situation. I don't know what video YOU watched,but this one tells me that there were quite a few that didn't do what they were supposed to that day. Some of these kids were NOT invited,and had been let in by others. I have lived in apartment complexes before and they have rules on how many friends you can invite in at one time. Now if you want to have a big party,you have to make prior arrangements with the manager and they shut down the pool for you and your party,but otherwise,no.

The only other thing I can say is,if you see several people coming at you at one time,and you spend time trying to figure out if they mean you harm? Your already done for. Cops are trained to NEVER let people put their hands on them. They can end up dead doing that. They worry about your intent later.

a reply to: Answer

I agree,and as a mother of 2 boys if they were stupid enough to act up like that to the police,then when they got hog tied oh well. Don't be stupid.

originally posted by: Pimpish
a reply to: texasgirl



I'm not familiar with that particular area, but certain areas of Texas are certainly extremely racist. I lived there in the 8th grade. The neighbors, or whoever, used to put signs up near our house with all sorts of lovely racist comments on them such as "Go home n__ lovers!" and other sorts of wonderful stuff along those lines. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if that area, or anywhere in Texas, were racist.

What does this post have to do with Craig Ranch? I understand that there are probably racist areas of Texas as there are in every state in the country, but this particular area is a nice area with good people. Most of my clients live in McKinney and many in the Craig Ranch area. I've not encountered any racism in the five years I've worked with them.

These communities pay a high HOA fee to use the community, members-only pool. I don't know the whole story but it started out as a fight between a lady and a teenager. The kids said "they were told to go back to Section 8"...I'd like to see exactly which kids said this. Is there confirmation from other witnesses who agree this actually was said?

As more time goes on the story should get more clear and the real facts released.

Yet again the cops are being blamed for doing there jobs and arresting trouble makers and law breakers.

The OP obviously has no idea what really occurred in this case.

We live in a crazy world when the lawbreakers are looked at as some kind of martyrs.

Hopefully the people supporting this kind of behavior and getting outraged about this are the first ones to be victimized when the animals run the show.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Same here, I've broken up fights on my own using reason and a loud voice without swearing, call it 'dad mode' if you like.
Those cops have clearly not been trained in any crowd psychology or negotiation, just comply or die.
I find it completely alien and I'm no longer surprised that some US folk feel they are in a tyrannical police state.
It's sad.

a reply to: grainofsand

Well, at the risk of getting (yet another) deluge of comments about why "we" don't do anything about the d-bags with a badge....

Just know that all is not lost here. The good stuff rarely makes the news. And often times, as evidenced by ats, when it does its ridiculed as propaganda. Not all of us are out to put notches in our grips. Not all of us are on roids. Many of us still have a fully functional OODA Loop, and use it on a daily basis pretty well.

Some of us anyway.

I'd just like to point out that cops don't have some sort of all encompassing authority. If you've done absolutely nothing wrong and they give you an order, such as sit right there...if you've done nothing wrong and you're not under arrest, guess what? You don't have to listen to them. It usually doesn't end well, but that's only because most cops assume they have the authority to do whatever they want.

As long as you're not interfering with them and have done nothing wrong, you don't have to sit down or leave the area just because they say so. People have rights. You will definitely want to stay out of their way, so you don't interfere, but they have no right to tell you where you're allowed to stand if you're not interfering and you've done nothing wrong.

As far as mouthing off to the officer, as long as you're not making threats, guess what? That's another one of our rights. It's called the first amendment to the constitution of the united states, since some of you seem unfamiliar with it. It's perfectly legal to stand there and call the officer every name in the book, again, as long as you're not interfering with them.

I'll go ahead and leave this here.

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529.

www.constitution.org...

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a reply to: texasgirl

Someone else in the thread seems to have had different experiences there.