CERN is affecting our world! It's time to really wake up ATS!

Here are the words of one of the greatest scientific minds of all time. "Stephen Hawking says the ‘God Particle’ that scientists believe created the world could actually end it, too.

The particle – know as Higgs boson – “has the worrisome feature” that it could become unstable at extremely high energies and create a “black hole” that would collapse the universe, the legendary British physicist has warned in a new book titled Starmus.

Using CERN doomporn to promote his latest book.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

Bang on! My thoughts exactly!

@ Raven...

Without wishing to seem like a cad, I have to point out some things.

First of all, in order to have the sort of affects you are concerned about on the magnetic field of this planet, the LHC experiments would have to be drawing energy on a scale equivalent to that of a small stars daily output. They aren't, not even nearly, not even a legitimate fraction of the necessary power level.

The machinery and intention of the LHC experiment is to essentially look up the skirts of the universe, to observe directly the mysterious construction of her undercarriage, so to speak. This is a very different concept to something like the creation of atomic weaponry. Although the two watersheds of physics share some similarities, what with both involving concepts not widely understood in the periods to which they are relevant, they could not be more different in terms of the risks involved.

An atom bomb is still far more dangerous to the fate of the world, than the LHC, and if one leaves aside the possibility of one detonation leading to mutually assured destruction, that single nuke would still be more of a threat to human life, and the state of the planet as a whole, than the LHC running at increased power, even drastically more power than is currently planned for. They could run at another hundred percent of what power they are using now, and STILL fail to present a threat to the world as a whole, equal to that posed by a single psychotic fellow who likes to bludgeon people with a pair of hammers.

I'm not certain who's correct, or incorrect here, but how can you be so sure about the results of an experiment that have never been performed before ? Do you actually possess the knowledge required to make your statements, or are you going by what someone else told you ? How can anyone, including Cern scientists, be so quick to dismiss these other possibilities related to an experiment that has never been performed before ? If other leading scientists like Degrass and Hawking are concerned, then I am too.

I've listened to Clyde Lewis quite a bit [although not as much lately because he was removed from my local AM radio's program list ] and I've got to say that he is definitely up near the top when it comes to doom porn. He does have some interesting programs, but I think the majority of his listeners depend on him for their daily dose of doom porn.

Ok, let's say the world ends...
Ok, let's say doom demons appear...

It's ok. I have no other solution for this planet since ET doesn't help either.

a reply to: Raven1354

Great thread


I will put this in my fav to study


For all the people who think everything is okay and they know what their doing…we’ll I think that is wishful thinking.

a reply to: Raven1354
Is this about that whole unidentified lying object thing? There was a thread around here some time ago...Here! Unidentified lying object Shrodiners cat you know, is it dead or is it alive, uhh. Definitely dead if its been in a box that long, but on a more practical particle matter its a different story.

I don't know, if there trying to open dimensions there kind of doing it wrong. But I think its a good idea, this place is getting lame anyways, it could do with different and more interesting entities entering our little ass backwards world. Though they have a long way to go before achieving that. Besides I don't think anybody would even want to come here. You know the LHC it could be the world most expensive do nothing paperweight. But somebody is getting payd big bucks to play with that paperweight. So it can not be said it achieved nothing.

I think it would be important to add the the "plumber" you are probably referring to is Leonard Suskind. he worked as a plumber when he was younger and has been a PHD'd physicist since the early 60s

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Gothmog

a reply to: Raven1354

CERN or the LHC?? CERN is the people behind the collider. CERN isn't a machine. The LHC is the largest machine in the world, however.

I watched a video about this by some kook on Youtube this week. I got a good laugh...Taking bits from the Bible and saying it is directly related to the LHC is diluted thinking...For real.

It's been up and running since March. It's already done several experiments in the past and we are all A-OK so far.

Just my 2 cents.

originally posted by: eriktheawful
Let's see:

1 Joule of energy is enough to light up a 1 watt LED for 1 second.
1 Joule is the same as 6.24×10^18 eV (electronvolts)
17 TeV is 1.7 x 10^13 eV (electronvolts)
So....17 TeV is not even enough to light a 1 watt LED up for 1 second.
Imagine how many electronvolts it takes to light up a 60 watt light bulb for hours.
Not worried.

If it makes you sleep better... let's pull some more facts out of web.

When operating at design parameters, the LHC will have two beams of protons, where each beam consists of ~2800 individual bunches, and each bunch contains ~1011 protons. Each proton will have energy of 7 TeV, so the energy of each bunch of protons is ~ 7*1011 TeV, i.e., 110,000 Joules (or 110 kilo Joules). A bullet fired from a rifle typically weighs 4 grams, and can have speeds of up to 1000 m/s when it leaves the barrel. This corresponds to an energy of about 2000 Joules, i.e., roughly 1/55 the energy of one bunch of protons. Anti-tank shells (used in WW II) had energies anywhere from 150-800 kilo Joules.

An electron volt gives a proton enough kinetic energy to accelerate to 0.005 percent of the speed of light (3 x 108 meters per second). One trillion electron volts (TeV) would take it within a hair's breadth of the speed of light (99.999956 percent). But, again, one TeV is not big news, energy-wise; a TeV also holds roughly the kinetic energy of a fast-moving ant. The key difference, of course (and the reason why physicists are thrilled), is that an ant is much larger, and thus heavier (around 0.1 of a gram), than a proton (1.65 × 10-24 of a gram). So while a TeV may not seem like much by our standards, it is a huge amount of energy for a single proton. If you imagine bunches of protons, numbering in the tens of billions, whizzing toward each other at breakneck speed, with a few colliding every time they pass each other (based on probability), you can see why the LHC has become physicists' favorite new toy. According to CERN, each proton beam will be made up of 2808 bunches—and each bunch will consist of 1.15 × 1011 protons, once the LHC reaches its full potential. At its peak, then, each proton beam will have an energy of 362 megajoules (MJ), or over 200 times the energy of the Tevatron's beams (which is just over 100 kW hours, roughly half the average American family's weekly power use).

And I think they force to collide particles which they found avoiding collision at common space conditions. Maybe if you had two blackhole sprites against each other they would but it sure isn't common in the upper atmosphere because I don't see the Earth traveling at the speed of light. And keep your mosquito misleading reassuring for your kids. It's a joke as you can see above. A flying mosquito won't make a hole in you producing a gamma flash. Just saying to keep you busy

a reply to: eriktheawful

Or ya know, this....

In their paper, Ali, Faizal, and Khalil offer a different interpretation for why mini black holes have not been detected at the LHC. They suggest that the current model of gravity that was used to predict the required energy level for black hole production is not quite accurate because it does not account for quantum effects.
According to Einstein's general theory of relativity, gravity can be thought of as the curvature of space and time. However, here the scientists point out that this geometry of space and time responsible for gravity gets deformed at the Planck scale. They have used the new theory of gravity's rainbow to account for this modification of the geometry of space and time near the Planck scale, where the mini black holes are predicted to exist.

Using gravity's rainbow, the scientists found that a little bit more energy is required to produce mini black holes at the LHC than previously thought. So far, the LHC has searched for mini black holes at energy levels below 5.3 TeV. According to gravity's rainbow, this energy is too low. Instead, the model predicts that black holes may form at energy levels of at least 9.5 TeV in six dimensions and 11.9 TeV in 10 dimensions. Since the LHC is designed to reach 14 TeV in future runs, these predicted energy requirements for black hole production should be accessible.


Read more at: phys.org...

Gravity's Rainbow being the following

In a new paper, physicists Ahmed Farag Ali, Mir Faizal, and Barun Majunder have shown that, according to a new generalization of Einstein's theory of gravity called "gravity's rainbow," it is not possible to define the position of the event horizon with arbitrary precision. If the event horizon can't be defined, then the black hole itself effectively does not exist.
"In gravity's rainbow, space does not exist below a certain minimum length, and time does not exist below a certain minimum time interval," Ali, a physicist at the Zewail City of Science and Technology and Benha University, both in Egypt, told Phys.org. "So, all objects existing in space and occurring at a time do not exist below that length and time interval [which are associated with the Planck scale]. As the event horizon is a place in space which exists at a point in time, it also does not exist below that scale."
When Ali talks about "all objects," he literally means everything around us, including ourselves.


Read more at: phys.org...

So from these two sources which i think anyone here can find respectable i can draw two basic conclusions.

No one in this thread really knows what they are talking about with any degree of certainty, but a handful are at least willing to entertain new ideas and consider things from a different perspective instead of swallowing the "official line"

The rest just like to # all over people out of what i am assuming is an obviously misguided sense of superiority.

If we are Denying Ignorance here then i just gotta ask....why does it seem like 90% of the posts made by some of the most respected members in this community read as ignorant and frankly demeaning statements instead of actually advancing every side of this conversation?

Grow up kids.

a reply to: Okeyd57

I know these things to be accurate because I have been following the LHC since its conception, and have read science in my personal time since I was six years old. I know my SRB's from my SOHO's, and my black holes from my magnetars, my gluons from my muons and so on and so forth. Everything I have ever read, or worked out for myself, leads me to understand that this machine cannot draw, or output enough energy to affect the magnetic field around our planet in the way which is being discussed.

I also know that the magnetic field of this planet shifts and changes, ALL ON ITS OWN and has done since it first came into being. Fluctuations in the magnetosphere around our planet are not new, and indeed the polarity of our planets magnetic envelope has flipped regularly over geologic time. We are currently in a phase of its transition, a one hundred and eighty degree flip, and its shape and strength are bound to waver during that sort of period. These flips play out over a very long period of time. The last one is thought to have been roughly five hundred thousand years ago, which by the standards set by the intervals between the previous flips, means that we were overdue a flip by approximately three hundred thousand years or so, depending on which averages you like to work with, and which variables you pay most attention to.

What I am getting at is, that between the fact that the LHC does not pull enough power to affect our magnetosphere, and the fact that the magnetosphere is in a state of constant flux anyway, I cannot fathom how anyone would look at the LHC, and point the finger at IT rather than the perfectly normal processes affecting the magnetosphere, to explain irregularities in the shape and solidarity of e magnetosphere. It simply does not add up. Think horses, not zebras. Do you catch my drift?

a reply to: Raven1354

As for the opening of the gates, it has already been happening in smaller doses. When we seek collectively to open these gates it is generally to bring this plane of existence into a higher dimension however when that happens the lower astrals are also bumped up into this one that we currently reside within. You cannot have it both ways.

The technologies have been getting closer for decades, the next higher dimensional beings know this and are not welcoming to our joining any more than we are welcoming to the lower. None of this is natural or have our abilities on a mental/physical level been evolved enough to be bumped up yet.

Not sure how this will turn out for this dimensional plane of existence. Like boat people, we are sinking in the deep ocean from where we are and where we chose to be in the future.

if we all vanish into a cern-created black hole i will be miffed.

FYI.. If you're going to start a thread, it should be your own content, and not unattributed quotes to news sources where you ripped it off from like:

kevbakershow.com... ct-just-showed-up-at-cern/

I think it's going to Open a rip in space so we can wake up and get out of here. That's my hope anyways. If i observe this it's possible it would /could happen. Who can say.

Just wait till they build the even bigger LHC in Japan, which they have plans for soon. It's going to be beyond nuthouse on planet earth.

originally posted by: Raven1354


1. Are they going to try to open a gateway to a another dimension?
2. Is the picture on the above article link of a entity from another dimension? I don't believe its pareidolia due to its not gas or physical object in the vacuum tube but pure light!
3. What will happen if they power up yet cant dump the beam/power off the LHC what happens then? I don't think they even know?
4. Could this be what is talked about in the bible of opening the gates of hell? Entities that take over human bodies?

Crazy world we live in at the moment especially with all this slight of hand reporting and instigation of wars and economic collapse! Now throw in increased seismicity time to find your maker and ask for safe passage.

I will check back in later after I get a nap! My brain is strained after this weeks collection of data on lots of subjects and projects I am working on!

Stay Frosty and stay safe!

Raven1354

P.S. could use some help fixing links, qoute and vid embed thank you

In case they haven't been posted, these are pics of the "face" from inside the LHC, from OP's link-

a reply to: Signals

Ah ha! Yes!

It's clearly.... An amorphous blob, absent any identifying features!

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Signals

Ah ha! Yes!

It's clearly.... An amorphous blob, absent any identifying features!

Yes, but the scientists who run the LHC don't know what it is and this anomaly is unexpected, that in itself should be at least significant and interesting.

a reply to: PapagiorgioCZ

No answer yet so I'll try to simplify.
Mosquito's weight: 2 - 2,5 mg
0.00000000047 grams is the total mass of protons circulating in the LHC at any time. That's 0,47 nanograms.
So you have the energy of 362 MJ in a mass of maybe a mosquitos breath.
361 megajoules is the energy of the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan.(88,000 tonnes) when cruising at 5.6 knots btw.
What could go wrong? I'd rather stop ridiculing people with a wrong math. It was a mosquito's energy in a single proton.

I'm no scientist either, but what I have understood is that the conclusion that there might be more dimensions than we can sense comes from equations. I think that the theory suggests that all we can sense is result of some "strings" vibrating through 10 or 11 or whatever dimensions and that causes particles we can observe and their properties, like electrons and qwarks. So, if the theory is right and there are hidden dimensions, they are already connected to our observable dimensions through everything that exists in our dimensions. Like everything is already vibrating through other dimensions and it wouldn't make sense that things existing in other dimension would give a damn what some people do at cern.
Oh, this is hard to put in words cause I'm not so fluent with english. Brian Greene has wrote good book about the subject. I found that easily accessable for even uneducated dork like me. If u feel like losing your sleep over cern and particle physics grab Greenes "Hidden reality". I'm not qualified to tell if the man is right or wrong, but I found his speculation well written.