CERN is affecting our world! It's time to really wake up ATS!

originally posted by: Raven1354
a reply to: Gothmog

LOL I like the response.

Im not trying to doom porn my intention however I believe this is this is a new frontier for humans and I think CERN Employees so to say are down playing it immensely.

And hasn't a lot of people in power or countries been caught lying about all sorts of stuff that say its nothing to worry about?

Like the side banner says "DENY IGNORANCE"

Not much they could lie about and get away with it , especially if you know and understand the subject.The electromagnets would only be a danger to someone in the chamber. It would be like the Xmen's Wolverine in reverse. Not pretty. And to open a dimensional portal through to another universe within the multiverse would probably take the sum of all energy produced by our sun from birth to death.Kinda makes 17 TeV seem like nothing, it is.The TeV stands for trillion electron volts.Dont let that fool you. Math lesson to follow

1 TeV = 1.602×10−7 J, about the kinetic energy of a flying mosquito (and that is 10 to the -7th power . So you have to knock 7 0s off the end.) Very , very small amount
Could something "bad" happen ? Yes. Every possible conceivable possibility has a probability chance in the universe. By the same means, could I go out buy my first lottery ticket (and only 1 computer pick) and win the lottery ? Sure. In fact , in this case , my money would be on the latter. Or struck by a meteor while riding in a taxi on June 23rd 2017 at noon going down the street in front of my house in the rain.

Eventually the worst of them will learn.
Probably the hard way.
It will be swept under the rug, of course.
Ashes to ashes and all that jazz.

So it goes.

Another day, another eventual causality.

Look, I'm not going to say that CERN won't or can't have unintended consequences.

There were all kinds of unintended consequences from the atom bomb - things they didn't really know or understand well until after they'd let that genie out of the bottle and marched a bunch of soldiers through the fallout and other nifty things like that.

Do they know exactly what CERN will do? I'd say they don't for sure, not until they do it. They only have at most the math and their observations so far from both previous collider runs and things they may or may not glimpsed in space and other experiments. So there is room for things they don't expect.

But I just don't think it'll be Doom Porn big.

I don't know but I can hope we can advance physics just a little. I would think that being able to create the black holes everyone is scared about might be a good thing.

Creating a small black hole, maybe forced into or mostly into another universe, and allowing it to decay into electrons to feed a power grid might just be a solution to cheap, clean power that could be scaled up.

I remember reading in a story that we only learn when we experiment. I think that held true for our ancestors learning new thinks no one else knew as it does on the bleeding edge of theoretical physics, math, chemistry and engineering or for that fact anything. We see it repeated daily with babies learning to crawl, walk, run, talk, experience and learn the world around them.

originally posted by: Raven1354
I am no physicist

originally posted by: Raven1354
someone says there is nothing to worry about cause they are only generating power equivalent to a mosquito flapping its wings I will throw a dunce cap at you and tell you to sit in the corner! lol

Throw that dunce cap all you like, it's true.
What you're confused about is the power USED (not energy produced) and the size of the equipment, this gives those who don't understand physics the mistaken impression that the forces CREATED are somehow incredible.

In reality, the forces/energy created are minuscule.

And most of what you then shared is misinformation produced by other people who are also not physicists and clearly ignorant to the science involved.

All the fears and paranoias about this are ridiculous. Please, I wish people would go and study ACTUAL SCIENCE rather than just believe the bs put out there by other conspiracy theorists. Think for yourselves.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: whatnext21
Well when Stephen Hawking, one of the most brilliant minds of our time has reservations about the LHC, I tend to sit up and take notice.www.msnbc.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">Stephan Hawking warns doomsday

Hawking's theories were taken apart by a plumber from New Jersey.....

Well he is not really a plumber, well he is, or was at least back in the day.

But he is a physicist now.

There is definitely mini black holes being created and drifting around the world now.

I know this because I keep reading things in threads and seeing things on the news, particularly Fox, that I highly suspect are indicative of someone's brain being eaten away slowly by a mini black hole.

a reply to: criticalhit

Mini black holes, wormholes....they're freaking everywhere!
Field dynamics.
The Grand Design is indeed just that.
I fail to see why anyone messes with it but that's just me.

WOW! Thank you everyone I think I have my hands full tonight following up on what you all presented.

www.express.co.uk...


I find this relatable . Please spare me your physic math b.s. when cern scary scientist go onto the press and reveal a little tidbit.. on the other hand, gordan freeman from half life honestly works there as well..... so it maybe life imitating fiction

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: whatnext21
Well when Stephen Hawking, one of the most brilliant minds of our time has reservations about the LHC, I tend to sit up and take notice.www.msnbc.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">Stephan Hawking warns doomsday

Hawking's theories were taken apart by a plumber from New Jersey.....

Well he is not really a plumber, well he is, or was at least back in the day.

But he is a physicist now.

Know it well, Leonard Susskind. Matter could not be entirely destroyed and expelled into the "Hawking Ring" as energy . The information for the matter would still remain.And it takes a truly great man like Prof Hawking to admit he was incorrect .

a reply to: Raven1354
Also , just to set minds at ease there are many Hadron Colliders in use today . The first was the Intersecting
Storage Rings startup in 1971. This one was in operation until 1984 .Then came various including the Tevatron.And this is only the Hadron Colliders. Not counting the 10 or so other types of Particle Accelerators throughout history .The first was at Berkley in 1931 as proof of concept (that it could be done) . Really nothing new.

To repeat myself from another thread, like a stray time loop caught in the CERN's magnetic flux capacitor, the only danger from the Large Hadron Collider is if it falls on your foot.

a reply to: Raven1354

I think you're misunderstanding the "unidentified lying object." The beam pipe is pretty narrow and the beam itself is easily disrupted. They know there's something there because it's already disrupted the beam — it's already been observed — and it's probably something really mundane like a screw, metal shaving, piece of insulation or the like. The beam pipe is a very nearly perfect vacuum and even a few errant atoms of nitrogen can disrupt the beam and that is why they're not spending millions of dollars to open it up (to further contamination) as long as it stays stationary and doesn't get in the way of the beam. There were also "unidentified falling objects" that were likely motes of dust.

Also, I think you might want to read up a bit more about the measurement problem and quantum decoherence because you've got a the typical Netflix documentary woo interpretation of the Observer Effect.

My take on the ULO (Unidentified "Lying Object) = One of the mechanical contractors thought that open hole on top of the chamber looked like a toilet seat . Now it has been identified. Goodnight everyone.

Opening a portal to another dimension, yeah I was listening to ground zero.

The Schroedenger's cat aspect of the particle that may, or may not, be inside the tube was interesting, but demon faces, really?

Also, there are no real objects that exist in "other dimensions" that don't have at least the first four dimensions. There may be real objects in nearby alternate realities, but they aren't here are they?

So, IMO, if they have "dust" in the pipe, then that is what they have, not some quasi-real object projecting into our "dimension" - like our experience of four dimensions is somehow separate from the rest of them.

The idea that it has an effect on the earth's magnetic field and causes earth quakes is interesting, but that is like saying that fracking is bad and causes EQs. That is just plain crazy talk, isn't it?

a reply to: Raven1354

He talks about magnetic energy from CERN causing our own earth magnetism to go crazy that causes these earthquakes and volcanic activity as of recent.

Okay,for the record,the earth's magnetic field goes on the fritz and reverses every so many years anyway.They have proven this.It is a naturally occurring cycle of our planet. Cern has nothing to do with that. we were over due for the field to flip this time,and it seems that it has started now. Still normal. As far as the rest? Well people have been screaming about cern from the beginning. So far as I know,they haven't done anything dangerous yet. Not saying things couldn't go wrong.But so far we are okay.