Hundreds Expected for Mohammed Cartoon Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque

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a reply to: Sremmos80

My husband spend two years in the middle east, Bahrain, as a Marine, he traveled back and forward from Saudi Arabia to Kuwait, during the first gulf conflict, he worked with many military personnel from Kuwait and Saudi in behave of the government, he actually like it, he was treated with respect, but he witness things, like public hangings and hand cuttings, he even witness a stoning all this in Saudi.

a reply to: Boeing777

While my husband was in the middle east he was given a copy of the Quran, by the people he was doing business with, we still have it at home, is one side is Arabic I believe the other is in English.

a reply to: marg6043

Because people who follow Islam follow the ahadith as well, not only the quran. Quranists (people who reject the ahadith) are not considered as Muslim by 99% of Muslims..

The laws concerning apostasy are upheld in majority of cases, and if not according to the laws of the land, then according to the honor of the family..

but it sounds wonderful to begin quoting things that sound good to your ears, and ignore the fact people die for less. Makes you sound pretty.. and it keeps the knife hidden until the moment of slaughter.

a reply to: marg6043

So again, that is Saudi.

Saudi is not the example of how things are ran in a muslim country.

That place is the birth place of all the extremism we have today, and does so with impunity.
We are so busy complaining about Iran and Iraq that we let the root cause of this all just keep on doing what it is doing.

a reply to: Sremmos80

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Tell that to infiniteobserver

Rebels without a cause - absolutely pointless and completely disrespect

a reply to: TEMOK

One day, in a perfect world, no one would have a reason to protest... no one would want to protest, because their would be no threats over cartoons, no threats over anything..

the world isn't perfect yet.. but protesting is how we get there. Not by sitting back and allowing others to dictate what we say, what we do, how we act, and how we behave.

Only through protest do we find the change that is needed to create a better world.

a reply to: OpinionatedB

I am very sorry that happened, not sure what that has to do with me talking about Saudi.

That crazy people kill people and some use a religion as a excuse?

a reply to: SLAYER69

Reminds me of Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot.. so true.. smh

a reply to: Sremmos80

You are saying that Islam has no punishment for apostasy.. and this is very incorrect, and misguided.

en.wikipedia.org...

Its a part of Islam for 23 Muslim majority nations to have laws in their criminal code concerning apostasy.. and the countries without laws in their criminal code, the families will generally impose the punishment..

It is not one crazy person.. it is a whole lot of legal mumbo jumbo in Islam that a non-Muslim wont much understand, and you will sit and try and convince people simply don't exist - or only exist in Saudia. That is patently untrue.

As far as THIS country.. people have a right to freedom of speech.. even if you disagree with them.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Christians can fall into an extreme view point just as easy as anyone else; here yah go... just picked a random link off the internet you can do the same if this one isn't enough for ya. www.alternet.org...

a reply to: Kali74

Then why did you call BS when I said there were Christian laws on the books? I suppose you are too emotionally wound in replying to fully comprehend anything I have written? Slow down and breathe yo, no biggie.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

Being white doesn't make someone a Christian anymore than being brown makes someone a Muslim..try and find what church timothy mcveigh attended faithfully every sunday morning and wednesday evening.

That said, thing about someone who is Christian who kills someone else, you have a lot of other Christians expressing shock and outrage, from family and friends and neighbors to those who attended church with them.. you don't see any support at all for that sort of thing - murder is wrong and everyone hopes that killers get punished. Will even turn in their own family members if they see behavior that is frightening..

There are so many programs in this country to get kids out of cults and other such dangerous groups, yet, there ARE extremist mosques right here in this country, and no Muslims have programs to get anyone in their community away from them.. as a matter of fact, most families are just happy their loved one has begun regularly attending mosque, and since it is Islam they are learning, most have no problem with what their family members are being brainwashed into..

I as a human being think that needs changed. As a human being I support the laws of this land, and think they are very very good ones.. the freedom to protest is just one of those things..protest has always brought changes, usually very good ones.

and maybe there will someday be less support from the inside of the Muslim community for extremism being taught.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

The BS was in response to you alluding to that all this would lead to calls for limiting free speech. I thought that was obvious.

originally posted by: OpinionatedB

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: OpinionatedB

Darn you are soo right, just the mere act of posting the way that we do here and expressing our opinions as women can get us to be stoned to death in some cultures.

I was Muslim, who became Christian, it is a death sentence in Islam - and if I lived anywhere else, I could not have done it openly without fear for my life.

We can be anything we want to here, and no one can harm us for it - and if someone does, then they will go to prison.

I am not the only member of ATS who converted to Christianity from Islam. The other one was killed for converting, but the murderer was charged and put into prison.

That is America.. we don't allow killers to walk free, we are free to be what we want, believe what we want, and live as we please so long as we don't hurt another human being.

I can say it is wrong this or wrong that, if it is my opinion - without fear of repercussion here. If I choose to make a statement through my art, I can do that without fear.

And the day I have to fear it, is the day I must do it louder than ever...!!!

And anyone who does not understand that needs to read the constitution again..

Bravo, and thanks for sharing... how so many people can't seem to grasp this perspective, regardless of their faith or lack thereof? Is beyond me.

I had a conversation with someone a few months ago, that said: All countries should line their borders with troops... I said oh, so they can shake hands, apologize for the past and invite each other over to dinner? He was dumbfounded.

In all of the ideologies floating around that people love or hate, it's easy to forget there are humans attached to them, making both sides appear inhuman in their word and deed.

a reply to: OpinionatedB

I never said anything about race, so kinda confused... perhaps, you were replying to someone else?

Edit: This was meant for Kali74... I suppose this has occurred to a few people, ATS getting buggy? I hit reply for Kali74 but it tagged OpinionatedB for some reason?