Hundreds Expected for Mohammed Cartoon Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque

no replies to my question?
i was hoping some people would answer honestly but i didnt think it would happen.

early in the thread there were some members saying people were going to protest using political satire.

i didnt see any satire in any of those pics.

swastika shirts are not satire.
shirts that say eff islam is not satire
assault rifles strapped to your back is not satire
guns on hips is not satire

thats the thing with these types of people.

all they wanted to do was spew their hate speech and hold up hateful signs.
they wanted to disrupt services at the mosque. they wanted to try and start crap. they wanted to piss people off. they wanted to offend people.

this was not about satire. this was not about freedom of speech.
this was all about ignorance and hate but it was under the guise of freedom of speech.

i dont see how anyone can miss that.

this was not a productive protest or rally or whatever you want to call it.
nothing positive happened.

all they did was show they have the mental capacity of small kids.
they showed how 'rebellious' and 'tough' they are with their guns and their signs.


this is not how satire works.

bunch of idiots.


i will ask again.
hypothetical question....hopefully we will get some honest answers but i expect not

what would happen? what do you think the general reaction would be if

a group of say 200 muslim american citizens decided to protest/rally outside of a church with shirts that said "eff christianity" and caricatures of jesus/god?
what if they did this all while having guns strapped across their backs and guns on their hips?

do you think the public in general would act in a positive way?
do you think the people at the church would react in a positive way?

i would actually like to see this happen....it would be a fun experiment.

there were no violent reactions to that protest outside the mosque last night.
all those 'evil muslims' kept it together.

i wonder if john q white america would be able to keep it together if another group of people were exercising their same rights in the same way.

a reply to: haman10
Oh, I wasn't trying to solicit a reaction from you. Anyone can satisfy their curiosity simply by reading your post history.

Was just trying to counter ladyinwaiting's eruption of politically correct histrionics with a shot of reality.

a reply to: Mugly
Your dead on imho, they are trolls so to speak..but it is everyones right to be an ahole if they choose. If a bunch of muslims surrounded a church wearing cute tshirts and armed..people would of been lighting their hair on fire so to speak.
I think this particular mosque was attended by the 2 wingnuts who were killed at the last cartoon event..I believe that is why this mosque was chosen.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: Mugly
Your dead on imho, they are trolls so to speak..but it is everyones right to be an ahole if they choose. If a bunch of muslims surrounded a church wearing cute tshirts and armed..people would of been lighting their hair on fire so to speak.

i know it is within their rights. legally they are allowed to do what they did.
it is my opinion though that all they wanted to do was spew hate and attempt to start trouble.
they did this under the guise of free speech.

they didnt have a message. nothing positive happened. they did not use satire like a member here was claiming.
there was no need to have their guns on them. the reasons for that was to attempt to scare people and/or make them uncomfortable.
you know, flexing their muscle like bulies so often do.

what did having those guns accomplish?
oh yeah..."im allowed. legally i can do it....im 7 years old"

guarantee you if it was flipped around and muslim american citizens were exercising their same rights in the same way, it would have been a huge issue.

it would have been like the kids book "the sky is falling. the sky is falling"

do people here really think that john q america would have been able to contain negative reactions?

i dont


do you(all members here) really think that there would be support for them and their right to do it?
i dont

go through this thread and see how many members here were supporting their right to protest outside the mosque. standing up for it. defending it. justifying it.

now flip it around.

if it were muslim american citizens protesting i dont think for a second that those same members here would support them and their rights.

a reply to: Mugly
I agree with you 100%

You can offend but you can't hate. And that is exactly what this is. Hate. As much as I want to blast you (figurtively not literally lol) for allowing hate, instead I'm going to offer you this.
The longer our attention and emotions are drawn to divisions, the longer we remain divided. The American way is the pursuit of happiness. This event will cause a lot of things to happen and not one of them is or, related to happiness. Not for Muslims and not even for the participants. The people who organize these events are afraid. Not happy. So next time you want to use our customs and expectations in our country as a "just get over it" example, remember there are more perspectives than just yours. What's next? Clown Jesus & Surfing Jesus contests? How about we concentrate as a group on the major issues in our country and we do it with love, not hate?
Negative minds are small minds. And small minds got us where we are right now. How about a little damage control instead.

a reply to: Mugly

Look at it this way, they didn't show up in hoods, so it wasn't the KKK. BTW, if it were the KKK, the police would have been all over that.

And also look at it this way, they didn't do it behind the anonymity of a computer screen.

Do you really think they were going to use violence and shoot Muslims?

Really? And with the National Guard ready to pounce?

But I really want your opinion on this....



Is it really true what they are saying? Is that really something children are taught there? Shoot the Jews, throw rocks at Jews, beat them up?

OK, so is it not fair then that someone wears a t-shirt like that?

Why is it that Muslims are afforded this martyrdom-pontification of hatred that children can say this, and yet for one night when an American man wears a t-shirt, everyone goes into a rage?

If you really are serious, then maybe you could be an internet warrior and protest all offensive memes against Christians and Jews, then maybe you can also protest every video out there. Be consistent in your endeavor. Bring freedom for all, not just protection for one group of people who ramrod the rest of the world.

Fair is fair, isn't it? That's what equality is all about, everyone is legally free to be disprespected. So in the light of equality, those protesters were just showing them that this country is an equal opportunity country of disrespect.

Equality, gotta' love it.

a reply to: Mugly

The reason no one has answered your question is because it's hypothetical and hard to match the exact circumstances you describe .


But hate is hate, what is being done to the US flag in New York City is no different than what the anti-Islam protesters did in Arizona .

The key point everyone ignores or is missing is that under free-speech both sides have to put up with hate . Although the implements used in their hate protest are different. The message of hate is still the same.

And no one should be denied the right to express their political opinions .

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: Mugly

The reason no one has answered your question is because it's hypothetical and hard to match the exact circumstances you describe .


But hate is hate, what is being done to the US flag in New York City is no different than what the anti-Islam protesters did in Arizona .

The key point everyone ignores or is missing is that under free-speech both sides have to put up with hate . Although the implements used in their hate protest are different. The message of hate is still the same.

And no one should be denied the right to express their political opinions .

Exactly, equal opportunity.

Did they really think there would be shooting?

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: Mugly

The reason no one has answered your question is because it's hypothetical and hard to match the exact circumstances you describe .


But hate is hate, what is being done to the US flag in New York City is no different than what the anti-Islam protesters did in Arizona .

The key point everyone ignores or is missing is that under free-speech both sides have to put up with hate . Although the implements used in their hate protest are different. The message of hate is still the same.

And no one should be denied the right to express their political opinions .

Exactly, equal opportunity.

Did they really think there would be shooting?

No that's the liberal media surreptitiously pushing their gun hate . They also made a big deal about the F Islam T-shirts .

I could be wrong but I didn't see any yesterday during the protest ?

a reply to: WarminIndy

thanks for not answering.
im not watching a cartoon video or whatever that is.

greathouse, it is not hard to answer my question. it is also not hard to match.

take last nights protest and switch it.
muslims protesting chritianity in the exact same way.

it is actually quite easy to match.

people just dont want to answer.

warming lady was able to post a nice long winded reply that didnt answer or address my question at all.

pretty typical

a reply to: Mugly

greathouse, it is not hard to answer my question. it is also not hard to match.

I already answered your question. It's not hard to understand . Regardless of the props used for expressing hate.

Hate is hate and your views are protected under the First Amendment until you get violent . The props are completely immaterial unless used .

But just to make you happy. I don't care if Muslims showed up at a Catholic Church carrying a howitzer to protest. As long as they didn't use it it is within their rights.

a reply to: WarminIndy

LoL

Memri? It's a propaganda outlet run by two Israelis. You can believe what you want.Not my problem. What I do have a problem with however, is you spreading lies and propaganda with the usual BS being propagated that you'd get from forums like Godlikeproduction, Pam Geller and her likes.

MEMRI FAKE TRANSLATIONS EXPOSED


Denying ignorance has gone down the toilet in this thread.

originally posted by: Mugly
a reply to: sdcigarpig

better yet, lets see what happens if a huge group of muslim american citizens were protesting outside some christian center or catholic church.
what if they had shirts that said eff christianity while they protested with guns on their hips and slung across their backs.


it would be a god damn national emergency....

ABSOLUTELY. Right on the money!

originally posted by: Greathouse
But just to make you happy. I don't care if Muslims showed up at a Catholic Church carrying a howitzer to protest. As long as they didn't use it it is within their rights.

thank you for answering.
youre probably one of the only ones that will.

and yes greathouse, the dude that organized the whole thing was wearing a shirt that said eff islam.


i read the post by warminglady again.
great job deflecting

i never said they intended to shoot anyone
what i said was the only reasons they brought their guns was to intimidate and scare people.

and you answer my question with other questions and show a vid of stuff that goes on in other countries.
nice.

i think your non answer was enough of an answer

CNN John Ritzheimer I am having difficulty with a good URL, this is the 3rd video in a series with the same URL as far as I can see.

a reply to: Greathouse The main organizer was wearing the t-shirt. The fool who is now 'butt-hurt' because he organized the most misguided protest I have ever seen and his family is getting death threats so he 'put them in hiding'. I don;t really care about the t-shirt. I will again say, the event as a whole was misquided and unnecessarily provocative and dangerous and the location made no sense. There is a video on CNN of this guy being interviewed by Anderson Cooper, it is an example, in regard to the protest organizer, as to why stupid people should not appear on TV and allow themselves to be questioned by an experienced journalist.

a reply to: reldra

now he is in hiding??
hahahahah...nice

as i said. nothing positive will come of this.
he sure wasnt worried about death threats and hiding when he had his gun on his hip and 199 of his fellow idiots and cops to protect him.
different tune now though...

i dont care about the shirt either.
i dont care about the protest. i dont care about islam or christianity.

my 'issue' is people that are all for protesting like this..people like members on here that defend it and use the guise of free speech and all that.
the issue i have is not that they want to protest.
the issue i have is if it was turned around and the brown man was protesting christianity outside of a church with guns, these same people would be freaking out...
it would be a national emergency...
they would be all bugged out about it.
as long as they are on the side of the protest then they are all good.

that is my issue..

now the guy that set it off is in hiding. that is fantastic.
hahahahahahahahahahahah


reldra, do you have a link to the story about him hiding?
not that i dont believe you cause i do.
i just want to read the whole story.

a reply to: reldra

As much as this guys is a douchebag, his family should not be threatened. His children deserve a safe place to grow up and not suffer for the stupidity of their father. He's an a**hole, not his children or wife.

a reply to: Mugly

youre probably one of the only ones that will.

Actually many of us have no problem with it. I know some people will overreact but nothing will happen anyway.