Ex-army chief urges PM to consider 'boots on the ground' to fight Isis

i would expaxct the term "no choice" is when isis has to be fought over here
which i suspect, with all the open borders and anti patriot security, may not be too far off

At a guess they WILL sacrifice Iraq so Obamas"tool " will attack Iran.
Cold and calculating minds...

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
To arbitrarily SIT THERE and say "Oh not MY people only forments a larger issue that will fester and grow until WE have no choice.

I'm comfortable saying 'not my people' when the following neighbouring countries are saying the same:

Egypt - 468,000 soldiers not counting reserves
Jordan - 100,000 soldiers not counting reserves
Iran - 350,000 soldiers not counting reserves
Turkey - 315,000 soldiers
Pakistan - 550,000 soldiers soldiers not counting reserves

How many ISIS fighters again? Not even 50,000.
The conflict is a solely Wahabi/Sunni/Shia sectarian Muslim issue. The UK is thousands of miles away and only 5% Muslim. It is not our fight. It is the fight of armed forces in the region, all Islamic nations, all ignoring it.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Willtell

Cool, send US troops if you like, not my country so I don't really care.
The UK won't be following you though, we learned our lesson after believing US government lies about WMD's being "45 minutes away from harming us" last time.
I only know there is little support for UK forces going there so you can get involved in a solely sectarian Muslim conflict as much as you like.

I can't send anyone anywhere

If it were up to me. I would send police and troops to the congress of the US and arrest them all for at least bribery


Send Bush and Cheney and all those rats who started this in the first place to a max prison

and btw Tony Blair too should be arrested

originally posted by: Willtell
and btw Tony Blair too should be arrested

No disagreement from me about that

a reply to: Willtell

Great, so again, you're signing up? Or is this armchair general kinda stuff?

BTW, I'm not American but my friends and family have already spilled blood so you guys could go roaming about in Iraq. No more. Have fun with it. Maybe you can get all the neighbouring countries to jump onboard as well, since it is THEIR sandbox that ISIS is playing in.

originally posted by: GAOTU789
a reply to: Willtell

Great, so again, you're signing up? Or is this armchair general kinda stuff?

BTW, I'm not American but my friends and family have already spilled blood so you guys could go roaming about in Iraq. No more. Have fun with it. Maybe you can get all the neighbouring countries to jump onboard as well, since it is THEIR sandbox that ISIS is playing in.

No I m not an arm chair General just a person commenting on what I believe should happen and what might work

I have a right to comment on what I would like to occur, for that’s all this is since, as I reminded, none what we say here on this forum is going to be enacted one way or the other.


I just hope that you had the same words about the Iraq war before they did it.

And also when they come after us there’s somebody in the earth who will fight to save our lives or at least give a dam


And if you think you’re so bad you will never need help then ask the millions already murdered and genocided who apathetic people refused to help who I’m sure also thought they were above need

a reply to: GAOTU789

You so worry about the troops going over there

I do as well and also worry about the Iraqis who those same troops went over there under misguidance and ruined millions of lives


You see it works both ways. The troops are not all saintly they were invaders


They assisted in the destruction of Iraq, through no fault of their own


So very simply, they are obligated to help save the country they destroyed


That’s my opinion

Arm chair General!

I think they should worry about the amount of ISIS heading in to Europe via Libya. I have heard a lot of and seen a few quite unnerving reports circulating.

The ISIS issue needs to be handed over to Iran to sort out, believe it or not, they are the best choice. Give them free reign and 100% ISIS will be no more...But that's not the geopolitics on the table and not what Israel wants.

originally posted by: SecretFace
I think they should worry about the amount of ISIS heading in to Europe via Libya. I have heard a lot of and seen a few quite unnerving reports circulating.

The ISIS issue needs to be handed over to Iran to sort out, believe it or not, they are the best choice. Give them free reign and 100% ISIS will be no more...But that's not the geopolitics on the table and not what Israel wants.

I'm sure the Iraqi people will be delighted at the thought of Iran replacing The coalition of the willing as their next invading Army....Maybe IS are getting a easy ride in Iraq because the other option aint working for them...ie, America's puppet regime.

a reply to: Willtell

Thanks for your response. I know I've heard you say this before, but I wanted further clarification, thinking maybe you have a dog in that race, so to speak. I didn't know for sure. Didn't mean to be redundant.

You and I have participated in the same threads before, and I find we agree more than we disagree, but I suspect we won't here, and I'll tell you why.

Your primary concern is that the U.S. created the mess, and consequently should go and clean it up. I hear ya. But remember after the initial wars, we did, for years, attempt to clean up our mess. Contractors were making big bucks over there rebuilding the infrastructure; and we spent I don't know how many millions sending people over there to teach military and law enforcement tactics. In that way, we "cleaned up the mess we'd made". Whether it was adequate or not, we did attempt to do it.

Anything subsequent to that, doesn't belong to us. We can't and shouldn't own it.

Because it is now personal responsibility.

George Bush is not there using a machete for decapitations.
Dick Cheney is not strapping bombs on eight year old girls.
Don Rumsfeld is not using a sword to destroy ancient artifacts.

ISIS is doing all things. ISIS, and ISIS alone.

Just be careful what you wish for, WT. Things could get so much worse.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

I appreciate your ideas but disagree amicably.


I’ll only say this in response: The criminal doesn’t get to determine his sentence, Im afraid.

So God, Karma, or just common sense determines the debt owed the people who started the war since they have never in this world as of yet paid for their foul deed.




Anyway as I posted our opinions are just that meaningless opinions since we have to power one way or the other


As far as "be careful what you wish for"… well the cats out of the bag LIW… and what I wished for (peace) never and won’t happen.

Won’t happen until unnecessary suffering occurs to people because again good people let evil people do their thing

No answer here...just an observation. ISIS needs to be destroyed and Obama would never have the balls to send in troops. He is way too concerned about how he goes down in history, and I mean goes down. But even with ISIS gone, the entire region is a problem. Many of the people there, radicals mostly will forever wage a personal war on the rest of the world in the process of forcing Islam upon everyone. No need to discuss what that means, we all know.

How to fix the problem? I don't think it can be fixed without erasing all the believers in radical and I would even say moderate Islam. We don't have the guts to do that so this is going to continue until the war is brought to us. Maybe with China and Russia on the side of the Muslims.

This isn't going to end well. But it will end.

a reply to: Willtell

May I ask are you making other efforts to encourage your government to send troops aside from posting here on ATS?
No inflammatory hidden meaning in my question, just genuinely curious as I will be buying a train ticket to what I expect to be a massive London protest if the UK government wanted to get involved this time round.
It ain't happening this time from the UK, far too many of us remember the "45 minutes away from WMD/doom" lies from the US government last time.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: SecretFace
I think they should worry about the amount of ISIS heading in to Europe via Libya. I have heard a lot of and seen a few quite unnerving reports circulating.

The ISIS issue needs to be handed over to Iran to sort out, believe it or not, they are the best choice. Give them free reign and 100% ISIS will be no more...But that's not the geopolitics on the table and not what Israel wants.

I'm sure the Iraqi people will be delighted at the thought of Iran replacing The coalition of the willing as their next invading Army....Maybe IS are getting a easy ride in Iraq because the other option aint working for them...ie, America's puppet regime.

Thing is though Solo, the majority of the Iraqi people would probably welcome intervention from Iran. They are both majority Shia Muslims.
Saddam was a Sunni Muslim minority dictatorship ruling the majority Shia in fear of death.
The majority of Iraqs Shia would rather Iranian help than death by ISIS I would imagine.

a reply to: grainofsand

I would be on the same train. I believed the Iraq bull# the first time around. Its clear now that not only was that narrative bull#, practically everything fed to the public about foreign policy is bull#.

I have never attended any kind of protest. However any attempt to drag us into another middle eastern conflict (or any war of choice for that matter) will get me using some of my annual holiday allowance to go to London to complain.

A lot of UK people think the same way. Even those who would never normally be considered left wing.

a reply to: justwokeup

Agreed. There has been a massive awakening in the UK since the last few ME wars based on lies.
It ain't gonna happen this time, the protests would be massive. Even Cameron is not stupid enough to risk his slim government majority dealing with that.

*Edit*
He's got enough on his plate with the EU referendum as it is.

Would you guys have appeased Hitler?

originally posted by: biggilo
Would you guys have appeased Hitler?

Why dont you go fight them. all you need is a plane ticket to the Czech republic for your training then they'll hook you up with the Lions of Rojava. Go on Mr Big Man.

a reply to: justwokeup
The problem is we could stand shoulder to shoulder 3 million deep on the streets of London, Westminster will still send billions of £ in "Aid" to Iraq. The SAS will have boots on the ground and tens of millions will be poured into private defense contractors. That's how we fight wars now.

Just like they did in Syria and Lybia...Cant remember the figures but 800 million was quoted for one of those countries alone as well as 160 something air sorties. Not sure if the 800 million was part of the cost of the sorties or we can add that to the bill as well.

Boots on the ground, just not our Boots,(unofficially) but those (private) boots are doing Westminster's dirty dealings. Cowardly Spineless arseholes.