'Anti Sharia Law' Measure Passes Texas Senate

a reply to: quercusrex

It has to do with civil matters,so yes I did read the article thank your very much.

originally posted by: amberinsc
a reply to: buster2010

I think it has more to do with the influx of "immigrants" coming over the borderrather than a large number of Texans marrying foreigners.

And like I said when did international law become such a problem with the civil courts in Texas? This is nothing but pandering to the simple minded who are afraid that Ahab the Arab is going to ride in on his camel and bring Sharia with him when he takes over.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: quercusrex

The Texas Senate last night passed and sent to Gov. Greg Abbott a measure that would prevent any 'international law' from being used in Texas civil courts, a bill many detractors say is Islamaphobic, News Radio 1200 WOAI reports.

State Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels) doesn't mention Islamic Koranic law, or 'Sharia Law' in her bill. She simply says it guarantees that no laws fro 'foreign courts' will be adopted by Texas civil court judges.

"It's just to provide some belt and suspenders to make sure that, with judicial discretion, we don't trump Texas law, American law, with a foreign law regarding family law," Campbell said.


Read more: www.woai.com...

'Anti Sharia Law' Measure Passes Texas Senate

Should a local family court judge be allowed to decide to rule by way of a religious based family law system in a community that is primarily composed of that religious belief as long as it doesn't contradict state and federal law?

I'm really surprised that this bill was authored by a senator that represents a small town that has almost zero Muslim community members.

This just in..

After careful research, observant of facts, it dawned on America that the only people trying to enforce religious law on anyone are the Christian Right. Yay for Domionists!!

Ok, so according to you we need to abolish all religiously (Christian based laws)

These laws must go because they are directly and firmly based in Jewish and Christian religious law:
Do not kill
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not rape a virgin
Do not commit Incest
Do not kidnap people
You are guilty of a crime if you do not constrain a known dangerous animal, if the animal subsequently kills someone
Do not commit Fraud


And the worst of all, really unenforceable and outrageous.
Love your neighbor as yourself: in today's terms; be kind to everyone and treat everyone as you want to be treated


So if we are to follow your line of reasoning, all of these laws are prescribed in the Old and New Testament. So these laws must be declared null and void because at the time they were enacted, they were based on the Jewish Talmud and the Christian Bible.

Yeah, Christians have done a number on the laws in the US. Let's abolish them entirely.

None of those laws were based on Christian dogma. The only laws based on Christianity are the "blue laws" which should be repealed.

a reply to: quercusrex

Bottom line and all ideological nonsense aside, they should lose their jobs for being ignorant of the US Constitution and Law which already explicitly forbids any foreign laws superseding domestic law.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: quercusrex

The Texas Senate last night passed and sent to Gov. Greg Abbott a measure that would prevent any 'international law' from being used in Texas civil courts, a bill many detractors say is Islamaphobic, News Radio 1200 WOAI reports.

State Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels) doesn't mention Islamic Koranic law, or 'Sharia Law' in her bill. She simply says it guarantees that no laws fro 'foreign courts' will be adopted by Texas civil court judges.

"It's just to provide some belt and suspenders to make sure that, with judicial discretion, we don't trump Texas law, American law, with a foreign law regarding family law," Campbell said.


Read more: www.woai.com...

'Anti Sharia Law' Measure Passes Texas Senate

Should a local family court judge be allowed to decide to rule by way of a religious based family law system in a community that is primarily composed of that religious belief as long as it doesn't contradict state and federal law?

I'm really surprised that this bill was authored by a senator that represents a small town that has almost zero Muslim community members.

This just in..

After careful research, observant of facts, it dawned on America that the only people trying to enforce religious law on anyone are the Christian Right. Yay for Domionists!!

Ok, so according to you we need to abolish all religiously (Christian based laws)

These laws must go because they are directly and firmly based in Jewish and Christian religious law:
Do not kill
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not rape a virgin
Do not commit Incest
Do not kidnap people
You are guilty of a crime if you do not constrain a known dangerous animal, if the animal subsequently kills someone
Do not commit Fraud


And the worst of all, really unenforceable and outrageous.
Love your neighbor as yourself: in today's terms; be kind to everyone and treat everyone as you want to be treated


So if we are to follow your line of reasoning, all of these laws are prescribed in the Old and New Testament. So these laws must be declared null and void because at the time they were enacted, they were based on the Jewish Talmud and the Christian Bible.

Yeah, Christians have done a number on the laws in the US. Let's abolish them entirely.

Hmm, most of those are also similar to laws in other cultures......... So fail there.

Second, laws that have a basis in something outside of the Bible are generally upheld.

However, you Christian "Shariasts" want laws like anti-homosexuality, etc. THAT is tyranny. You also want people to have to be subjected to Christian references and prayer and monuments in public places, which violates religious minority or non-religious people's rights.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: phyllida

Thank you, I'm familiar with the roll Sharia law forces women to play in other societies. My sole point in this thread is that Sharia Law is not/will not occur in the United States.

And we'll never have "free speech zones" and laws will never be passed that limit 2nd Amendment rights.

Because those would be unconstitutional.

Right?

OMG. You can't be serious. Who exactly, with a small minority of the US being Muslims, and virtually all elected officials at least claiming to be Jewish or Christian, is going to enact Sharia?

I think my IQ is going down just by reading these claims.

Is it so hard for you guys to imagine a guy that is a right wing Islamist becoming a judge or a PA?

Good law Texas. Nice job by you.

a reply to: Legman

A good number of Texans believe one of them is already in the oval office.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Jaja that is true

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

So there is no need to concern ourselves because there will never be a time when law makers enact laws that might be unconstitutional?

Apparently you are confident in local/state/federal law makers in their ability to pass laws that are only constitutional.

Good for you and your high IQ.

The rest of us dimwits will remain skeptical.

I wasn't aware that you were for free speech zones and more gun laws. Okay, on the gun laws, I'd imagine you are for more and a repeal of the 2nd Amendment. So I guess you don't really care about the Constiutution or Bill of Rights.

Nevermind.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: quercusrex

The Texas Senate last night passed and sent to Gov. Greg Abbott a measure that would prevent any 'international law' from being used in Texas civil courts, a bill many detractors say is Islamaphobic, News Radio 1200 WOAI reports.

State Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels) doesn't mention Islamic Koranic law, or 'Sharia Law' in her bill. She simply says it guarantees that no laws fro 'foreign courts' will be adopted by Texas civil court judges.

"It's just to provide some belt and suspenders to make sure that, with judicial discretion, we don't trump Texas law, American law, with a foreign law regarding family law," Campbell said.


Read more: www.woai.com...

'Anti Sharia Law' Measure Passes Texas Senate

Should a local family court judge be allowed to decide to rule by way of a religious based family law system in a community that is primarily composed of that religious belief as long as it doesn't contradict state and federal law?

I'm really surprised that this bill was authored by a senator that represents a small town that has almost zero Muslim community members.

This just in..

After careful research, observant of facts, it dawned on America that the only people trying to enforce religious law on anyone are the Christian Right. Yay for Domionists!!

Ok, so according to you we need to abolish all religiously (Christian based laws)

These laws must go because they are directly and firmly based in Jewish and Christian religious law:
Do not kill
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not rape a virgin
Do not commit Incest
Do not kidnap people
You are guilty of a crime if you do not constrain a known dangerous animal, if the animal subsequently kills someone
Do not commit Fraud


And the worst of all, really unenforceable and outrageous.
Love your neighbor as yourself: in today's terms; be kind to everyone and treat everyone as you want to be treated


So if we are to follow your line of reasoning, all of these laws are prescribed in the Old and New Testament. So these laws must be declared null and void because at the time they were enacted, they were based on the Jewish Talmud and the Christian Bible.

Yeah, Christians have done a number on the laws in the US. Let's abolish them entirely.

Hmm, most of those are also similar to laws in other cultures......... So fail there.

Second, laws that have a basis in something outside of the Bible are generally upheld.

However, you Christian "Shariasts" want laws like anti-homosexuality, etc. THAT is tyranny. You also want people to have to be subjected to Christian references and prayer and monuments in public places, which violates religious minority or non-religious people's rights.

Sorry you are dead wrong.

The laws of out nation came from the bible, directly from the Bible. All of these laws are in the Bible and are basic to Christian faith and practice, especially religious right faith and practice.

I don't know a single Christian that wants laws against homosexuality. That is a fantasy of the lefty liberals.

I don't want to be subjected to liberal/progressive references and monuments like the Georgia guidestone and public speech of liberals/progressives offend me because they want to supress freedom of speech and are passing laws to try and get people who disagree with them in trouble with the law. The climate change people I don't want to be exposed to either, their leaders have called for the killing and Al Gore called for the jailing of people who disagree with them. Why should I be forced to be exposed to their ideas? How wrong, how intrusive, to think that I should be forced to listen to their dogma and ideas.

You have a point, no one should be allowed to express their opinions of any idea in the public arena where they might upset someone. I don't want some liberal crazy forcing climate change down my throat. All ideas, thoughts, and dogma's should be kept where they belong, in private, in the home, and not allowed to influence anyone. I don't want to be forced to listen to the climate changers, I don't want to be forced to do things against my personal beliefs or go to jail, as the liberals are forcing everyone to comply with or face judicial punishment.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: quercusrex

The Texas Senate last night passed and sent to Gov. Greg Abbott a measure that would prevent any 'international law' from being used in Texas civil courts, a bill many detractors say is Islamaphobic, News Radio 1200 WOAI reports.

State Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels) doesn't mention Islamic Koranic law, or 'Sharia Law' in her bill. She simply says it guarantees that no laws fro 'foreign courts' will be adopted by Texas civil court judges.

"It's just to provide some belt and suspenders to make sure that, with judicial discretion, we don't trump Texas law, American law, with a foreign law regarding family law," Campbell said.


Read more: www.woai.com...

'Anti Sharia Law' Measure Passes Texas Senate

Should a local family court judge be allowed to decide to rule by way of a religious based family law system in a community that is primarily composed of that religious belief as long as it doesn't contradict state and federal law?

I'm really surprised that this bill was authored by a senator that represents a small town that has almost zero Muslim community members.

This just in..

After careful research, observant of facts, it dawned on America that the only people trying to enforce religious law on anyone are the Christian Right. Yay for Domionists!!

Ok, so according to you we need to abolish all religiously (Christian based laws)

These laws must go because they are directly and firmly based in Jewish and Christian religious law:
Do not kill
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not rape a virgin
Do not commit Incest
Do not kidnap people
You are guilty of a crime if you do not constrain a known dangerous animal, if the animal subsequently kills someone
Do not commit Fraud


And the worst of all, really unenforceable and outrageous.
Love your neighbor as yourself: in today's terms; be kind to everyone and treat everyone as you want to be treated


So if we are to follow your line of reasoning, all of these laws are prescribed in the Old and New Testament. So these laws must be declared null and void because at the time they were enacted, they were based on the Jewish Talmud and the Christian Bible.

Yeah, Christians have done a number on the laws in the US. Let's abolish them entirely.

Hmm, most of those are also similar to laws in other cultures......... So fail there.

Second, laws that have a basis in something outside of the Bible are generally upheld.

However, you Christian "Shariasts" want laws like anti-homosexuality, etc. THAT is tyranny. You also want people to have to be subjected to Christian references and prayer and monuments in public places, which violates religious minority or non-religious people's rights.

They are similar to other cultures.

But they were written down in Jewish and later Christian writings and used as the basis for judicial law in the US.

So if someone wants religious laws thrown out, they can't pick and choose. Everything I listed is in our law because of Christianity, not because of any other culture or religion. So to be intellectually honest, they must go.

a reply to: grandmakdw

The laws you listed aren't exclusively religious. Nor do these laws impose or restrict the daily lives of average people in the name of promoting or preserving a particular religion.

You act as if Christianity is the authority on morality, hell, that religion is the authority on morality. Truth be told morality would exist just as well WITHOUT religion. The laws are common sense. Don't kill people. Duh. Don't steal. Duh. These same laws existed before the advent of organized religion, since without such laws tribes would fall apart.

Nice try at claiming some moral high ground, but you really just suggest throwing the baby out with the bath water.

And it's juvenile.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: quercusrex

The Texas Senate last night passed and sent to Gov. Greg Abbott a measure that would prevent any 'international law' from being used in Texas civil courts, a bill many detractors say is Islamaphobic, News Radio 1200 WOAI reports.

State Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels) doesn't mention Islamic Koranic law, or 'Sharia Law' in her bill. She simply says it guarantees that no laws fro 'foreign courts' will be adopted by Texas civil court judges.

"It's just to provide some belt and suspenders to make sure that, with judicial discretion, we don't trump Texas law, American law, with a foreign law regarding family law," Campbell said.


Read more: www.woai.com...

'Anti Sharia Law' Measure Passes Texas Senate

Should a local family court judge be allowed to decide to rule by way of a religious based family law system in a community that is primarily composed of that religious belief as long as it doesn't contradict state and federal law?

I'm really surprised that this bill was authored by a senator that represents a small town that has almost zero Muslim community members.

This just in..

After careful research, observant of facts, it dawned on America that the only people trying to enforce religious law on anyone are the Christian Right. Yay for Domionists!!

Ok, so according to you we need to abolish all religiously (Christian based laws)

These laws must go because they are directly and firmly based in Jewish and Christian religious law:
Do not kill
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not rape a virgin
Do not commit Incest
Do not kidnap people
You are guilty of a crime if you do not constrain a known dangerous animal, if the animal subsequently kills someone
Do not commit Fraud


And the worst of all, really unenforceable and outrageous.
Love your neighbor as yourself: in today's terms; be kind to everyone and treat everyone as you want to be treated


So if we are to follow your line of reasoning, all of these laws are prescribed in the Old and New Testament. So these laws must be declared null and void because at the time they were enacted, they were based on the Jewish Talmud and the Christian Bible.

Yeah, Christians have done a number on the laws in the US. Let's abolish them entirely.

Hmm, most of those are also similar to laws in other cultures......... So fail there.

Second, laws that have a basis in something outside of the Bible are generally upheld.

However, you Christian "Shariasts" want laws like anti-homosexuality, etc. THAT is tyranny. You also want people to have to be subjected to Christian references and prayer and monuments in public places, which violates religious minority or non-religious people's rights.

Sorry you are dead wrong.

The laws of out nation came from the bible, directly from the Bible. All of these laws are in the Bible and are basic to Christian faith and practice, especially religious right faith and practice.

I don't know a single Christian that wants laws against homosexuality. That is a fantasy of the lefty liberals.

I don't want to be subjected to liberal/progressive references and monuments like the Georgia guidestone and public speech of liberals/progressives offend me because they want to supress freedom of speech and are passing laws to try and get people who disagree with them in trouble with the law. The climate change people I don't want to be exposed to either, their leaders have called for the killing and Al Gore called for the jailing of people who disagree with them. Why should I be forced to be exposed to their ideas? How wrong, how intrusive, to think that I should be forced to listen to their dogma and ideas.

You have a point, no one should be allowed to express their opinions of any idea in the public arena where they might upset someone. I don't want some liberal crazy forcing climate change down my throat. All ideas, thoughts, and dogma's should be kept where they belong, in private, in the home, and not allowed to influence anyone. I don't want to be forced to listen to the climate changers, I don't want to be forced to do things against my personal beliefs or go to jail, as the liberals are forcing everyone to comply with or face judicial punishment.

Please come back when you stop getting your opinions spoonfed to you be conservative radio and TV. "Evil Progressives" aren't trying to take away your liberties, your bible, or your guns. They're not trying to jail people who don't agree with Al Gore. Are some progressives stupid? Absolutely. Stupidity exists on both sides of aisle. In droves.

Take a few minutes and stop spending so much time in your little conservative hugbox and come a little toward center. You are only furthering the agenda of the powers that be by buying into all the fearmongering crap you hear spewed from BOTH extremes. Engage your brain.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: grandmakdw

The laws you listed aren't exclusively religious. Nor do these laws impose or restrict the daily lives of average people in the name of promoting or preserving a particular religion.

You act as if Christianity is the authority on morality, hell, that religion is the authority on morality. Truth be told morality would exist just as well WITHOUT religion. The laws are common sense. Don't kill people. Duh. Don't steal. Duh. These same laws existed before the advent of organized religion, since without such laws tribes would fall apart.

Nice try at claiming some moral high ground, but you really just suggest throwing the baby out with the bath water.

And it's juvenile.

Where then is morality found?

African countries still buy and sell people regularly, in Africa many countries and cultures are supportive of slavery as are some Middle East cultures.

Nearly every middle eastern country and cultures, and Indonesian cultures, homosexuality should be punished by death.

Who decides?

If it is that a bunch of countries or cultures think something is right or wrong?

What is popular morality changes faster than the speed of lightening. Who decides what is right and srong?

If offensive speech is wrong, then I am offended by talk of climate change and demand it be kept private in the home so as not to offend me.

Who decides what is right or wrong? You? Obama? what if we elect a far right conservative President, is he/she now the final arbitour of morality?

There is very little cross cultural consensus as to what is moral or immoral.

ME would say murder is fine, as long as the person isn't Muslim.

a reply to: grandmakdw

If any morality is derived from religion as you state, why then is there such strife in the middle east and africa? If religion were the panacea you think it is to all morality issues, why is it that religious people constitute a majority of the prison population? In fact, if you look at statistics, Atheists compose roughly 10% of the United States, yet only 0.2% of the total prison population. Weird, I though atheists can't be moral, since by your definition morality can only be gleaned through religion.

The majority of the world is religious, and yet despite this, horrific atrocities still occur every single day. Where is there morality? Or do you HONESTLY believe that your specific brand or flavor of religion is the only right one? Because that would mean your ego is much larger than I had estimated.

a reply to: grandmakdw

What I am responding to in my last posts is the idea that since Texas doesn't want to allow Shariah law, then all law based on religion should be abolished, because Christians are such terrible people.

I am demonstrating that the basis of American/US law is the Bible, the Christian Bible. If one says that any law put forth by Christians should be eliminated or not passed because it interferes with the state; Then all the laws I listed on the previous pay must also be eliminated, and I gave the reasons why.

Shariah law is foreign law.
The laws I stated on the previous page are US laws, written because of the Christian Bible, it is the US culture.

If ones standard is, the correct laws are based on the cultures and ideas from around the world, that all cultures/ideas/religions should be equal contributors to US law. Then we get honor killings, wife abuse, killing of homosexuals, clitoral circumcision, slavery. All of these ideas and laws are from more than one culture and are ideas in a number of countries.

If one says all Christian laws are bad and all laws should be looked at based on ones culture and familial customs. Then it is acceptable for Muslims to kill non Muslims without reprisal. It is ok to kidnap people without reprisal if it is done in the name of one's culture. It is ok to have slaves because your culture and customs allow it.

What I am saying is that if one decides that all Christian influence should be thrown out of US law, and we should base it on ones customs, culture and religion - then where are we?
Who decides?

In 2012 Hillary said quite clearly homosexual marriage was wrong.
Today Hillary champions homosexual marriage.
That is how fast cultural ideas of right and wrong change, at the snap of a hat, and are as fickle as a feather on the wind.

I am not saying that Christians are perfect,
far from it,
only the unlovely, the outcast, the person who constantly does something wrong
and acknowledges it
and knows they have done wrong
and strives to do right
and fails and then tries again to do right,
are the kind of Christians that Christ draws to himself.
Christians are far from perfect and Christ rejects those
who call themselves Christians and say they are perfect.

However imperfect Christians are,
our laws based on Christianity are
a good solid foundation
for how one should live their lives.

To throw out all Christian values
is to throw out all those items listed
if one is consistent and intellectually honest.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

got any statistics on that? SR

WELL worth a few minutes out of your day to watch this Glen Beck Interview...

www.glennbeck.com...

Article VI: The Constitution is the supreme law of the land

US constitution, such a pesky piece of paper that will never allow any foreign laws, so Sharia laws and Islamic laws will never be allowed in the US and if any state decides to even implement parts of it, it can be challenged in the supreme court and the Article VI will be used

Why?

Because of this, Shariah: “The source of legal rulings for all acts of those who are morally responsible is
Allah.” (a1.1, Umdat al-salik or The Reliance of the Traveller, commonly accepted work of
Shariah jurisprudence); “There is only one law which ought to be followed, and that is the
Sharia.” (Seyed Qutb); “Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the
face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam regardless of the
country or the nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of
its own ideology and program.” (Seyed Abul A’ala Maududi).

Sharia and Islam laws are of theocratic nature, we in the US are no a theocracy.

We have freedom of religion,

First Amendment: Freedom of religionConstitution: First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ”

That means that anybody can woship their religion but they can not impose that religion unto others.

But when it comes to Sharia it contradict the US First Amendment.

Shariah: "Those who reject Islam must be killed. If they turn back (from Islam), take hold of
them and kill them wherever you find them." Quran 4:89 ; "Whoever changed his [Islamic]
religion, then kill him" Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:84:57. In historic and modern Shariah states,
Shariah law enforces dhimmi status (second-class citizen, apartheid-type laws) on non-
Muslims, prohibiting them from observing their religious practices publicly, building or
repairing churches, raising their voices during prayer or ringing church bells; if dhimmi laws
are violated in the Shariah State, penalties are those used for prisoners of war: death, slavery,
release or ransom.(o9.14, o11.0-o11.11, Umdat al-salik).

I can go on and on and on, now, Do any constitutional loving American still wants Sharia in America?, heck not

www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org...

I am glad that States are making sure Sharia doesn't try to get into American and into our courts