'Anti Sharia Law' Measure Passes Texas Senate

originally posted by: quercusrex
a reply to: greencmp

But, as the article states, these religious laws are used to mediate in local courts in the north east for Amish and Hassidic communities. The governing concept being as long as they don't contradict state and federal law.

I was carefully avoiding the use of the term "mediation" as it is loosely connected with actual legal proceedings and, typically, directly recommended by the courts as a way to reduce the burdensome docket of civil cases.

While it is not legally binding per se, it is precedential nonetheless as is evidenced by the familiarity with it which is shared by the predominance of people.

The mere fact that some legislative act is proposing to alter or restrict it (regardless of your attitude toward such things, in my mind a crime is a crime so no special treatment is required to execute murderers) is demonstrative of the relevance of the problem.

a reply to: TechniXcality

It's obviously working for you.

originally posted by: quercusrex

The Texas Senate last night passed and sent to Gov. Greg Abbott a measure that would prevent any 'international law' from being used in Texas civil courts, a bill many detractors say is Islamaphobic, News Radio 1200 WOAI reports.

State Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels) doesn't mention Islamic Koranic law, or 'Sharia Law' in her bill. She simply says it guarantees that no laws fro 'foreign courts' will be adopted by Texas civil court judges.

"It's just to provide some belt and suspenders to make sure that, with judicial discretion, we don't trump Texas law, American law, with a foreign law regarding family law," Campbell said.


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'Anti Sharia Law' Measure Passes Texas Senate

Should a local family court judge be allowed to decide to rule by way of a religious based family law system in a community that is primarily composed of that religious belief as long as it doesn't contradict state and federal law?

I'm really surprised that this bill was authored by a senator that represents a small town that has almost zero Muslim community members.

This just in..

After careful research, observant of facts, it dawned on America that the only people trying to enforce religious law on anyone are the Christian Right. Yay for Domionists!!

a reply to: quercusrex

They will consider Rabbinical law if all parties participated in and came to an agreement through religious arbitration before the court case was to be heard and only if that decision is in accordance with US Law, whether civil or family.

a reply to: damwel

Nice snide response, while distracting completely from your reading comprehension skills.

a reply to: beezzer

No.
We wouldn't.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun
Thank you. At least one person in this whirlwind of rhetoric read the article and has an understanding of what this law means.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: quercusrex

They will consider Rabbinical law if all parties participated in and came to an agreement through religious arbitration before the court case was to be heard and only if that decision is in accordance with US Law, whether civil or family.

EXACTLY. That's my point. This process will be illegal once the Gov signs his name to this law.

Glad we got that all sorted out. I should have been clearer on my OP

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

The religious arbitration is not legally binding per se. However if all parties come to agreement before the court date and it doesn't violate US Law then the judge can enter that agreement as his/her legal decision.

a reply to: quercusrex

We have a trend in our gov'ts, at every level, to remove any reference to 'religion' in our public areas, read that Christian, cough, cough, the bill extends that to all foreign legal concepts, secular and other-wise.

It restricts judicial activism to a large degree and looks based on what's happened federally with Judges citing 'precedence' based on international court laws which the U.S. has never signed onto.

If the comments against it claim it's anti-Islamic, then that just underscores the belief there is an agenda in the direction of Sharia law. Fair is fair.

Thumbs up on this measure.

a reply to: quercusrex

And it is wrong and needless.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: beezzer
If a state passed a law against Christian/church arbitration people would be cheering it.

Just sayin'.

But this is precisely what Texas did. They passed a law against religious arbitration, from what I'm heard, not just Sharia or Hassidic law, all religious law.

This naturally extends to Christianity as well.

Then I don't see why people are upset.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: quercusrex

And it is wrong and needless.

I am not in disagreement with you. I simply brought the issue up for discussion.

a reply to: Kali74

Then this bill gets rid of both....separation of church and state...Hello?

If there is a disagreement amongst certain members within a specific group then don't take it to court. Hello again. Arbitrate it within your own group. simple really.

originally posted by: quercusrex
a reply to: intrptr Law and religion mix all the time. Why do you think we can't buy whiskey on a Sunday in Texas or why bakeries can't refuse to make cakes for gay weddings. Our local laws and our religious views are intertwined. The state just can't mandate a religious choice.

This is a superb point! You should have had way more stars!

The state is mandating religious choices with bakeries, photographers, florists, now jewelers, and venues.

The latest to be targeted for lawsuit and to be driven out of business by the liberals/progressives: a jeweler who agreed to make custom rings for two lesbians, they put down a down payment on the rings, when they returned they saw a poster that stated marriage was between a man and a women. They demanded a refund and the LGBT community is now trying to shut down the jeweler even though he made the rings and was going to sell to them. I waiting to see him fined by the state because the state is so into destroying traditional values.

The same liberals/progressives are fighting to allow Muslims to practice their religion according to their system of laws in the ME. This is so hypocritical, because the law of Shariah is to kill homosexuals.
But they ignore totally that their protection of Muslim law and the Muslim churches to be allowed to privately enact shariah if the people want to use them instead of the US court, is protecting homosexual murders, and wife beating.

a reply to: seagull

Sharia law is a danger to Muslims themselves...particularly women despite the law of the land they have adopted (or supposedly adopted)

a reply to: phyllida

Yup,which is why we should oppose it at every time ir rears it's ugly head, and even when unseen we should bring light to it's evil practice and make it a mission to crush it and those who follow it.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: quercusrex

The Texas Senate last night passed and sent to Gov. Greg Abbott a measure that would prevent any 'international law' from being used in Texas civil courts, a bill many detractors say is Islamaphobic, News Radio 1200 WOAI reports.

State Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels) doesn't mention Islamic Koranic law, or 'Sharia Law' in her bill. She simply says it guarantees that no laws fro 'foreign courts' will be adopted by Texas civil court judges.

"It's just to provide some belt and suspenders to make sure that, with judicial discretion, we don't trump Texas law, American law, with a foreign law regarding family law," Campbell said.


Read more: www.woai.com...

'Anti Sharia Law' Measure Passes Texas Senate

Should a local family court judge be allowed to decide to rule by way of a religious based family law system in a community that is primarily composed of that religious belief as long as it doesn't contradict state and federal law?

I'm really surprised that this bill was authored by a senator that represents a small town that has almost zero Muslim community members.

This just in..

After careful research, observant of facts, it dawned on America that the only people trying to enforce religious law on anyone are the Christian Right. Yay for Domionists!!

Ok, so according to you we need to abolish all religiously (Christian based laws)

These laws must go because they are directly and firmly based in Jewish and Christian religious law:
Do not kill
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not rape a virgin
Do not commit Incest
Do not kidnap people
You are guilty of a crime if you do not constrain a known dangerous animal, if the animal subsequently kills someone
Do not commit Fraud


And the worst of all, really unenforceable and outrageous.
Love your neighbor as yourself: in today's terms; be kind to everyone and treat everyone as you want to be treated


So if we are to follow your line of reasoning, all of these laws are prescribed in the Old and New Testament. So these laws must be declared null and void because at the time they were enacted, they were based on the Jewish Talmud and the Christian Bible.

Yeah, Christians have done a number on the laws in the US. Let's abolish them entirely.

Good and should be the rules everywhere. You come here to get away from that oppression. You come to a nation that has constitutional equality and laws, that protect all citizens, and you abide by that, or leave.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Yes, let's throw the baby out with the bath water.

I can't even begin to comprehend why you think such laws are exclusively Christian or even Religious.